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quote: Originally posted by Knockside:
A totally irrelevant and silly car.
1) MPG is not a consideration for any body with £90,000 to spend on a new car with the huge depreciation that comes with it. Economy is also not a consideration for any body buying a twin turbo V12 - so that point is totally out of the question. Now we've dealt with that
2) It's slower than a petrol equivalent. Image the power and torque a highly tuned 5.9L biturbo V12 petrol would put out... Petrol win.
3) No lag on modern petrol turbo engines now with the modern sequential turbo system, but also the benefit of several thousand revs more giving a much more flexible engine.
4) Any thing over 300lb/ft of torque is just pub number talk on a road car. 738lb/ft? the Mercedes V12 Twin Turbo has to be LIMITED to that!
5) Sound. Any body seriously trying to tell me they prefer the clattering characterless thrum of a Diesel engine over the glorious Spitfire bellow of a boosted V12 petrol is absolutely insane.
6) Weight. A Diesel engine by it's very design is still always quite a bit heavier than the petrol counterpart. Straight away by fitting a Diesel engine, Audi are not making the car the best it can be and are deliberately making it a heavier and worse handling car than it could be.
In summary, this Diesel R8 is worse in every single possible way than a petrol counterpart, especially in performance - which I thought was the biggest sole factor in a "Supercar". The only bonus is a marginally better MPG figure, which is a totally irrelevant factor in this sector, because of the huge wealth needed to be able to buy one, take the deprecation and run it! People buying this car don't care if it's returning 20 MPG or 10 MPG. It simply isn't a consideration.
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1) disagree see above 2) not slower, traction is the only limiter 3) traction is the only limiter 4) its 4wd improving traction 5) Sound not as good, true 6) Many D blocks are ally or CGI, and petrol equivs are usually the same for cost reasons. 7) it is a bit ugly 8) will be about 28mpg combined |
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Ugly is a strange word. If we are talking pure, swoopy shape; Lancer Evos are ugly. Porsche 911s are ugly. Scoobys are ugly. A Ferrari 360 is ugly from the back. Etc. I think the R8 is a great car and too many people make their minds up because of who make it.
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"Eye of the beholder" I think! If the company have produced the car they clearly don't think that its ugly....
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quote: Originally posted by b308:
"Eye of the beholder" I think! If the company have produced the car they clearly don't think that its ugly....
Fair enough beauty is 100% subjective, the other stuff was objective. I like the fact it looks original. |
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It's the new 911!
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i dont actually think its ugly, just bland..and yes, iv seen em in the metal...pug nosed front, bulky flanks..it just doesnt grab ya by the boll...erm, it doesnt grab you the way a supercar should...and as for mpg not being a consideration for those who can aford a 90k car, your right..but in these days of finite fossil fuels etc..mpg SHOULD be a concern to everyone..or at least 'recycling' your old gas guzzler by keeping it on the road thus helping break the 'jones' product cycle'
some cars dont have to be beautiful to be attractive..some of my favourite designs are oddball, zagato lancias from the 50s and 60s for instance, the avantime, hell, even the citroen sm aint traditionally berautiful..but they are interesting...something the r8 singularly fails to do for me....interest me..
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It isn't extreme and wild looking as it is very practical for a supercar.
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practical and supercar..two words that just dont sit well togetehr..an oxymoron...like militarry intelligence....or italian build quality....
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The 911 has shown that it's possible for decades!
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the 911 was never a true supercar...hold on now..it is nowdays..but it was alawys a league below in performance and desireability stakes in comparison to its italian rivals...the 911 literally broke the mould...its engineering excellence appeal to me as do its eccentric styling and layout...a 911 is one of those cars that isnt truly beautiful.....but an early 911 is a great study in spare, lithe lines...less is more here to use the old cliche
..a 911 is however, always interesting...id walk around a 911, any of em, just to take in the lines, marvel at the compact dimensions, given the money, its the supercar id have, given the money, its the classic sportscar id have....whereas id walk past an r8 without giving it a second glance...i KNOW its a fantastic car, its just not interesting to me anyhow....
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Fair enough, i love it, as an all-round power-mobile!
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Is that new look the look of all forthcoming R8's or just the TDI version?
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TDI and i think it looks great.
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quote: Originally posted by Bamford:
TDI and i think it looks great.
Thank goodness for that. I'd have to see one in the metal to confirm, but I don't think it looks as good as the petrol R8: a deliberate ploy on Audi's part I wonder? 
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the engine is probably really good but when you can buy a petrol v10 before the diesel appears why bother?
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Because some will prefer it?
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quote: Originally posted by Bamford:
Because some will prefer it?
Correction - MANY will prefer it!
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The V10 makes it a tad tougher, though! I said from the start that the R8 needed something better than an RS4 engine for £80K.
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TBH i quite agree with Nox and JB. People dont care about MPG at that price level and the v10 would be tempting. However, its unique and that may get people buying the diesel. Diesel at Le Man was basically a publicity stunt and so is this. I cant see Ferrari and Porsche sticking a derv engine in the F430 or 911 sometime soon BUT if you want something unique then you would buy it. Having seen a couple of them in the metal now im not so sure what i think about them in terms of their styling but it makes a change from the 911 which is everywhere.
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I have warmed to the R8. I'd have it in V10 form first, then V12 derv. The RS4 engine is just too ordinary for a supercar.
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i think everyone from the pauper to the prince should buy the most responsible car they can..or use it in the most responsible fashion...id loe a pagani zonda f or thelike, but i think id always have a 2cv van for the supermarket run...not meaning to upset any applecarts here, but if the dawn of the 25mpg superdieselcar is here, im all for it, so long as it doesnt compromise the driving experience, where is the problem...j7st a shame that the first one on the market had to be wrapped in that awful audi body...
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It's not that bad, G. The 911 isn't exactly pure sex on wheels, in fact some say it's hideously ugly, but somehow it's attractive despite not having Italian flair coming from every angle.
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im not gonna start an r8 thread again..i dont like it...it commits a bigger sin than being ugly, which can actually be good...(ferrari scaglietti anyone..)..its dull....and a supercar should never be dull...
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I just think that the makers have made a useable supercar with the R8, unlike, say, the Countache which was supermodel gorgeous to many and an absolute pig to drive on the road, 8 times out of 10. I worshipped for an hour the person who let me drive his Countache Quattrovalvole back in the early 1990s but within a few miles i was aware that it'd be hopeless as a regular drive.
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yes but why does a useable supercar have to be bland..i never bought into the countach or muira mystique....dangerously overpowered and underdeveloped cars....but hell, that was, i suppose, half of their appeal...these were the cars that made lamborghini synomynous with 'supercar'
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