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I've always disliked SUVs; unnecessarily heavy, unwieldy, lumpen to drive and driven by people who use their bulk to make up for a lack of confidence and those who coccoon Tarqin and Jessica in two tonnes of steel believing the best way to protect their little darlings is to wheeze around in a car capable of flattening everyone elses; 'k you Jack, I'm alright.

But just the other week, whilst loading up the Golf for the umpteenth time with all the usual accoutrements of parenthood, I had an epiphany. As I perfomed the hernia-inducing gymnastics necessary to shoe-horn a two year old into a Britax and facing the realisation I had again forgotten how to collapse the ludicrously complex pushchair mechanism (I'm now on my third. Spend as much as you like, they're all bl**dy useless) I caught a glimpse of a family loading a similar amount of kit and kids into a RR Sport. No such red-faced, nerve-shattering antics over there; this lot were irritatingly breezy. With no evidence of an army of nannies, I concluded it must have something to do with their choice of car. No need to fold the infernal pushchair, just chuck the d*mned thing in the boot. No contortionist acts either, pick up little Joshua and bung him joyously in to a car that looks like one of his toys.

In the coming days, I found myself warming to the evils of the 4x4. Loads of space, no bending-lifting-huffing-explaining away colourful expressions to impressionable young minds. All of a sudden I'm exchanging friendly glances with RAV 4's and letting X-Trails out of junctions........I had to try one.

So I did, this weekend saw the opening of a Chrysler garage a couple of miles up the road. If I'm having a truck, it has to look like a Tonka-toy (this way, eco-types can scowl as much as they like, I'm six years old again) and I'm thinking the the Americans should be able to provide plenty of the no-nonsense, rugged factor.

I wasn't disappointed. That six-year-old in me made a bee-line for the Dodge Nitro. Looks-wise, absolutely perfect but it's huge; Audi Q7 huge and on 20" rims. No, my move to the dark side has to come with at least a modicum of conscience. I'd need something smaller ...... cue the Jeep Patriot.

Chunky looks, enough space for the job and with the offer of 42mpg from its VW derv it seemed perfect. Time to take the keys ....

This I was certain would burst the bubble and bring me back down to earth. The vomit-inducing body roll, public sector performance and American build quality would have me back in the real world, and "proper" cars, in no time.

Er, nope. The handling was surprisingly taught with the torquey 140PS motor and snickety gearbox combining to make progress sprightly without ever going below 35mpg. The motor is clattery at low speeds but when you're in a truck it's, dare I say it, almost charming, feeling rugged and outdoorsy. This was proving enjoyable to drive and providing a feelgood factor totally at odds with Eurobox Golfism.

Visibility was fantastic and the raised driving position a joy. Getting the kids in an out was a breeze and who cares about the muddy shoes, the only soft thing in here are the seats, and they wipe clean. Best of all though was the boot, not cavernous but more than happy to accept the pushchair in whatever state I managed to tangle it.

After years (and numerous posts on here) lodged firmly in the anti-SUV camp, I absolutely and unashamedly loved it. So the next time you're tempted to frown at Mr. Freelander consider his motivation: He's probably just had enough of pushchairs and backache. If you want to someone to blame for killing all the Polar Bears, write a strongly worded letter to the CEO of Mammas and Papas.

In the meantime, I'm gittin' mah-self a Jeep.


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George likes them.

4x4s are fine. I like the Touareg V10 TD. A great used buy.


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I'm a basic kind of person, I like the Freelander 2.0 l TDI.
Big 4 x 4's are fine if you can drive, but I've met too many people cruising down the centre white line, oblivious to all others, simply because they have NO idea how wide their vehicle is. They seem to think that because it is 2 feet higher than a standard car, it is also 2 feet wider. How about an extra road test for 4 x 4 drivers, with narrow street and reverse parking at the top of the agenda. My money would be on a 50% reduction on 4 x 4's at a stroke. I'm not going to mention the gender of most completely useless 4 x 4 drivers.


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Interesting. Not the car, the Britax problems. The folding mechanism on our Britax Vigour 3+ packed up after 4 months.

Otherwise, there's not many here who are genuinely disgruntled by the Patrior/CRV/RAV/XTrail class of 4x4s. Their roadfootprints, engines, emissions and prices are all comparable to similar 'standard' cars. Indeed the vast new Mondeo probably takes up more road than any of them.

It's the big RR, Q7, the current X5 (but not the old one), the bigger Jeeps that are the real contentious cars.

For me, there's only one great modern SUV, the Nissan Murano - genius car. Boig, if you're not bothered with mpg, get a used one for £16K. They're all loaded with everything as standard and they look fantastic. Mr. Clarkson adores the Murano.
 
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Touareg V10 TD 5.0!


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I've resisted so far.... but can't do so any longer...

Smaller pushchair?? Wink

We had two kids, one 3 years old and the other 12 months and our transport was a Nova saloon....

Whilst it was not a brilliant car by any means, it did its job, and we just bought appropriately sized equipment to fit into its boot - and that included all baby/toddler equipment and luggage for a two week holiday in Scotland....

Don't try to defend its purchase in this way, though, your excuse for buying it is "convenience", not "necessity".... Wink
 
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Thats true, I had a Renault 5 when our two were nippers. I bought a roofrack for holidays.
One point though, thats when pushchairs were pushchairs. Now they are "travel systems", what a load of crap that is. My kids managed fine with McLaren buggies that would fit in a smart car. Blame the poncy "travel systems" not the cars.


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Thats true, I had a Renault 5 when our two were nippers. I bought a roofrack for holidays.
One point though, thats when pushchairs were pushchairs. Now they are "travel systems", what a load of crap that is. My kids managed fine with McLaren buggies that would fit in a smart car. Blame the poncy "travel systems" not the cars.


Call 'em what you will, I'm convinced all are designed primarily as a series of hidden guillotines for the systematic removal of a mans fingers.


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Yep, my son now has one for his little boy, and as you say, it's not for the faint hearted. The modern day equivelent of the old deck chair.


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I know that whilst we Guards on the trains curse 'em, we don't curse 'em as much as the other passsengers who have to clamber past them... Cool

They are now far too large, cumbersome and complicated for their intended purpose!
 
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Kids, what a pain!


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Agree with the constant bending, just not the 4x4, dragging round pointless mech gubbins.
I think this is why the Qashqai exists. Audi A2 was about the right proportion for a car IMO.
You can make higher cars comfier for getting in and out of.
Elk maneouvres are a bit scarey tho with high CofG.
 
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Audi A2 - worst blind spots in a car ever, A-pillars like barn doors.

The Qashqai is a sign of things to come. It's fairly likely that the humble hatchback will soon be overtaken, by compact soft-roaders. Those not wanting a Qashqai-style car will spend less and buy a Corsa or 208.

The Ford Kuga's not a bad looking car.
 
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Kids, what a pain!

As b308 said "They are now far too large, cumbersome and complicated for their intended purpose!"
Not like they were in the good old days. Big Grin
And i can identify with your difficulties Boig. I've also been eyeing a Nissan Xtrail to replace the current estate. They are pretty cheap now and highly specced. Also 4car seems to rate them highly both on road and off road.
 
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Audi A2 - worst blind spots in a car ever, A-pillars like barn doors.

The Qashqai is a sign of things to come. It's fairly likely that the humble hatchback will soon be overtaken, by compact soft-roaders. Those not wanting a Qashqai-style car will spend less and buy a Corsa or 208.

The Ford Kuga's not a bad looking car.


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A2, yes pillars are large, but have you ever driven a Golf+ (I had the misfortune as a pool car for a one off trip, never again).

I agree, Quashqai is the way forward. I remember many years ago chatting to one of their ad men and managed to sum up thier 'problem' in 3 terms, old ladies, learner schools and taxi drivers. The very three drivers you don't want to market to. Cars like the QQ were the only way to go IMO. I t is quite funny how the Micra styling went - even the Yanks got aspects of it in the Infinity products.

To be fair, most taller cars have a much smaller footprint than their similar volumed counterparts (either estates or class up hatches). If it was my own money on a car, it would probably be the QQ or perhaps, Koleos? Slightly larger, but some very clever interior design features. AND I don't even have kids...
 
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