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quote: Originally posted by we3r1:
budget car testa are much more relaevant to the majority of people who use this and other forums id say...personally i want my small car to be dynamically excellent....why should we suffer understeering prams powered by asthmatic engines at the lower end of the market...i want whatever i drive to be either a..incredibly useful or b..incredibly entertaining...or, ideally, c...both......
Yes, and one way of getting them improved is by road testing them and shaming them if they are rubbish - publicity has its uses! Trouble is our top light entertainment prog which has cars in it from time to time ain't interested unless its a City Rover! |
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quote: Originally posted by b308: quote: Originally posted by Palmira:
Who cares about budget cars? All they do is waste metal & clog the roads.
We dont need tests of them on tv, it doesnt make interesting viewing. If you want to look at budget cars, go & sit in Tesco car park.
My goodness, what a post! So if we can't afford/want large cars then tough luck, eh, Palmy?! Thats the problem with the likes of you and TG, you have your heads so far up your a**** that you cannot see anything but sports cars and luxury cars - any other form of motoring doesn't exist. Large cars waste far more metal than smaller ones - we don't live in America, our roads are small and windy and not that wide - large cars are a pain in the b*****de - especially ones driven by taxi drivers who think that they own the road! 
You miss the point. Motoring programs are supposed to be interesting to motor enthusiasts. Therefore why waste time driving Porridge that you can see in Tesco car park? Yes of course the mass market counts for most of cars bought in the UK, or anywhere else for that matter. I am NOT suggesting you should all go & buy a top of the range performance car. What i AM suggesting is that we dont want to spend the day driving a tedious box and then have to watch someone else driving a tedious box on the tv too. Motoring shows are to conjour up the stuff of dreams, and to show the fine cars which are interesting. Nothing worse than seeing a bright yellow 1.2 box being driven over some speed humps on prime time tv. Its a waste of a slot. Even if i drove a bright yellow 1.2 box, i would want to watch tv shows about interesting cars. Not about said box. |
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The thing is though, people need some analysis of your humble 1.0 and 1.2 cars. Not everyone can or wants to spend 50K on a car. Hence, motoring programmes should cater for the majority of their viewers (i.e. affordable everyday cars). They should also have secondhand car reviews, group tests, car maintenance tips, best buys for tyres, exhausts, car buying advice, car selling advice, etc. i.e. a proper programme about cars that the majority of people in this country drive and adressing the issues of the majority of motorists in this country. Yes, some people might want to knock one off whilst watching JC poncing around in a Veyron and there could be programmes for that type of viewer as well - after the watershed of course! TG just isn't a motoring programme. It's just three blokes dicking around in cars that most of us will never even lay eyes on. How on earth is that motoring?
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Kia picanto best looks cool ,very cheap build quality not bad .
vw fox i hate only 2 doors for £6500?!?!
Savvy is a good budget car.
Aygo flatpack .rubbish car they have tryed to make it seem funky when its built together like lego.
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Motoring programmes on TV are rubbish for the reasons both Palmy and Roma identify. They spend too much time driving cars that no-one could ever afford to buy doing drifts etc that no-one ever really does. Then they fill the rest of the time doing unfair crash tests or stupid things like taking over southern counties radio or sawing the roof off an MPV. What we need is a regular TV programme that runs along the line of autoexpress, whatcar, autocar etc that gives time to all types of cars. Only through public humiliation of rubbish cars will they be forced to get better. The programme also needs to be entertaining but there are ways of doing that without being stupid and like a kid in a sweet shop
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i am interested in tests of budget cars so long as they are conducted in an entertaining way.....sorry to disagree palmy...i like tg but also like it to have some relevance to cars i like or at least can aspire too.......
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quote: Originally posted by Six Million Dollar Man: What is with all the Fox bashing on here?  What is so bad about it? Yes, it's plasticky, grey, blah blah blah, but it's cheap! That's what you get when you spend little money. It looks like any other VW; bland & not very exciting. There isn't one single exciting VW (Golf GTI & R32 are trim levels, not models). The Fox looks ok to me. I would never drive a car of that ilk, but if someone put a gun to my head & insist that I trade in the batmobile for one of these girls cars, it would be the Fox, as that is probably the only one that you wouldn't get laughed at in.
SMDM, you are 100% correct. I too cannot see the problem with the Fox. It's bland, but so are most cars. Bland sells in the UK. Most cars that you wouldn't lose in a carpark are usually frowned upon & shunned by the UK buying public. The Fox is perfect; bland, cheap, spacious & with a German badge. It fits into the VW range perfectly & should sell massively.
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quote: quote:
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Originally posted by Palmira:
Who cares about budget cars? All they do is waste metal & clog the roads.
We dont need tests of them on tv, it doesnt make interesting viewing. If you want to look at budget cars, go & sit in Tesco car park.
My goodness, what a post!
So if we can't afford/want large cars then tough luck, eh, Palmy?! Thats the problem with the likes of you and TG, you have your heads so far up your a**** that you cannot see anything but sports cars and luxury cars - any other form of motoring doesn't exist.
Large cars waste far more metal than smaller ones - we don't live in America, our roads are small and windy and not that wide - large cars are a pain in the b*****de - especially ones driven by taxi drivers who think that they own the road!
You miss the point.
Motoring programs are supposed to be interesting to motor enthusiasts.
Therefore why waste time driving Porridge that you can see in Tesco car park?
Yes of course the mass market counts for most of cars bought in the UK, or anywhere else for that matter.
I am NOT suggesting you should all go & buy a top of the range performance car.
What i AM suggesting is that we dont want to spend the day driving a tedious box and then have to watch someone else driving a tedious box on the tv too.
Motoring shows are to conjour up the stuff of dreams, and to show the fine cars which are interesting.
Nothing worse than seeing a bright yellow 1.2 box being driven over some speed humps on prime time tv. Its a waste of a slot.
Even if i drove a bright yellow 1.2 box, i would want to watch tv shows about interesting cars. Not about said box.
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I have to disagree palm, they are not necessarily meant to be an entertainment program, they are meant to be informative, and u do not need a 150k car to make a prog interesting. Top Gear = light entertainment with cars being the main entertainment. Fifth Gear = Dull boring show but fairly informative but overall boring like a Ford Focus.
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Topgear does show some of the wackiest stuff and I like it, i think the best to date has to be the Dutch Carver, the bright orange 3 wheel thing that tilted around corners depending on how hard u turn, amazing.
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I always found "wrong car, right car" interesting and entertaining as it pitched 3 new cars (of a certain type and within a certain budget) against 3 secondhand cars along the same criteria. One week it could be a punter weighing up the options when looking to spend, say, £40k on a sportscar (brand new M3 -v- second hand Ferrari etc.), another week somebody looking for a family holdall with a more modest budget of, say, £10k (new berlingo -v- secondhand Merc estate etc.)
This format appealed to me with the blend of new (modest) car or secondhand (luxury) car, and one week it's the kind of vehicles I might be looking at, another time its something a little more exotic or less practical.
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Right car Wrong car was actually very good. I agree.
These days if i really must pick I would say Fifth Gear is preferable to top gear - which i thought i would NEVER say - but this is because TG has gone too far, and is now just a celebrity gossip chat show, and a very cheesy one at that.
Bring back the old days of Top Gear - it was the very best show imaginable in the early 90s.
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quote: Originally posted by Palmira:
Right car Wrong car was actually very good. I agree.
These days if i really must pick I would say Fifth Gear is preferable to top gear - which i thought i would NEVER say - but this is because TG has gone too far, and is now just a celebrity gossip chat show, and a very cheesy one at that.
Bring back the old days of Top Gear - it was the very best show imaginable in the early 90s.
Palmy, I agree, but would go back a little further - but the point I was making would stand if you did - they did reviews of the "lower order" cars that most of us buy, and did them well - if its a "motoring" show then its should cover just that - ALL aspects of motoring - INCLUDING reviews of all types of cars - I note I'm not the only one who thinks this way, btw! You cannot exclude a range of cars simply because you don't happen to like them! |
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I think youre right. It was the way the reviews were made that made the shows interesting.
They often tested little, cheap cars but did it well. For example the Fiat Cinquecento test was done in Italy, with a lineup of the entire range at a beautiful hotel & through Rome's streets. The review was in depth, humorous and interesting.
We need to see a return of this. And not the rot we are getting these days.
Mind you, small cars these days have become incredibly drab.
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Originally posted by Palmira: quote: Mind you, small cars these days have become incredibly drab.
Too true, although I think Fiat might just be about to move the small car game on in leaps and bounds. The new Grande Punto is one of the best looking cars on sale in any market sector and I reckon the new 500 is looking to be everything the BMW Mini wasn't and everything the Aygo/C1/106 should have been (i.e. stylish, cheap, fun and not made purely from recycled balance sheets). Fiat might just save it's ass in the process.
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quote: Originally posted by Roma:
...Yes, some people might want to knock one off whilst watching JC poncing around in a Veyron and there could be programmes for that type of viewer as well - after the watershed of course! ...
 Nice one Roma! |
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The word 'Grande' suggests the Grande Punto is not a small car. A neighbour has just taken delivery and it's almost the size of the Focus Mk 1.
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All the new B-sector cars are getting a bit "girthy"; the new Clio's a monster and although I haven't seen it, the 207 would have to be pretty big just to accommodate its grille. I blame BMW, they started it with that enormous Mini that managed not to have any extra interior room at all.
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That must have taken some doing, building so little interior space into a 'little' car of such size. You'll be telling me they're trying to fit a transmision tunnel, longitudinal engine, diff and RWD into a Golf sized car next |
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The Fox gets bashed here because it's a cheap ply bt VW to extract money from the public. It's built somewhere that costs them next to nothing to do so. If the dash looks that cheap in the photos, then what is it like in real life? The cheapest one doesn't even have painted bumpers and it takes half a year to reach 60 (does it actually go that fast?). The car looks dated already and so utterly bland. One of my friends thought it was a new Lada for one second. Small cheap cars should be about personality and verve; just look at the great ones, Mini, Fiat 500, Panda, Twingo. VW have missed the mark with this one I'm afraid. quote: Originally posted by Six Million Dollar Man: quote: Originally posted by barky:
Of those 3 i'd take the fox - would have to as a 2nd car though - in this end of market less can be more, dont want loads of gadgets just want the basics
I agree with you. The way people on here talk about the Fox, you'd think it was the worst piece of junk that was ever put on sale. It looks just like any other VW to me. I really don't get it.
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quote: Originally posted by chambsesf: quote: Originally posted by Boundary!:
Are there any sporty small diesels yet, other than the Fabia vRS?
Seat Ibiza with the same engine, Seat Leon with the 150 bhp version.
What Skoda don't want you to know (and Seat inexplicably keep very quiet about) is that there are a small number of 1.9TDI Ibiza's available which have been boosted to 160BHP. Find out if your local Seat daeler has one and take it for test drive - its a hoot! |
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is wrong car right car the prog that was presented by the short bald guy and the nerdy galasses guy, if so that was quite good, i also liked deals on wheels and where the same guy started off with 300 quid and made 10g in the end.
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