Mercedes do make some nice cars,but these are the cars before the new S-Class which i hate,By the looks of things it will get worse because Mercedes will stick with the styling through the rest of the range,for example the new CL.I do like the new ML but i would rather have a Q7,or any other Audi over a Merc.Its a shame that Jaguar don't have a larger span of cars,i think it would be interesting to see what they could come up with.
It's a typical French luxo-barge and seemingly it doesn't handle quite as much like a boat as some of the past ones. Plus performance isn't bad, the idea of a creamy petrol V6 in it is great, but the unit is old and the 2.7 litre diesel Jaguar unit has some great figures on paper (better than the petrol). So if I had £38,000 to spare I'm not sure which I'd choose.
I have to be honest and say that I personally find the C6 to be one of the most awkward looking and hideous cars of modern times - although I know these big Citroens are an aquired taste, much like my little Citroen!
I would definatley have one over any of the Jaguars though. Jaguars really aren't anything special any more, and lost all crediblity when they became Ford Mondeos.
I have now seen 3 C6's in the flesh in Paris - two whilst driving and one was parked so I got to a good look at it.
They are horrible, horrible cars. Ive not sat in one or driven one. Just seen them from the outside and peered through the windows to have a look inside. Complete tat, IMO. I have no idea what all the fuss is about.
I think they look better in pictures than in real life. They may be a nice drive but from a looks point of view they look quite horrid.
No, it doesn't float my boat either. The one I saw was in French bureaucrat black, and looked awful, it may look better in silver but I doubt it. Given its heritage it's a disappointment. The DS and early CX have a timeless elegance; even the XM looked quite good when it first came out.
Just wait 3 years and a C6 could be yours for £3,800. I predict the worst depreciation of any car on the market for the petrol C6.
I think they'll keep their value fairly well, they're only selling something like 500 over here and they'll all be custom ordered from the factory. Whats more Citroen are saying they'll buy em back. So I think they'll do well. I'd rather have one over a Mercedes.
I see whats said about the looks, at first they didn't float my boat and I've not seen one in the flesh, but I'm really quite fond of them now.
Whats more Citroen are saying they'll buy em back. [/QUOTE]
That's brave of them! what price are they offering? Name any French prestige car over the last 30 years and none have ever held their values anything like the German Marques. In old age they often can't be given away (G reg XM anybody ?). Not bad cars when they were new but they invariably end up as a purchase suitable only for the dedicated amateur auto electrician. Many 20 year old Audis/BMWs/Mercs are still earning their keep as daily drivers but how often do you see a Renault 30?
Actually I can think of a possible exception; the Renault Avantime - maybe a collectors item due to its wilful oddness?
No idea what price but they're saying they will. Yes, I don't trust em either.
Most find a special place in at least some peoples hearts, no doubt the C6 will do the same. And hey, if you have £38,000 to throw away on a car, how much will you really care about the value in 5 years time.
I suspect that 99% of cars in that price range are bought with others peoples money in some form or other. Again the depreciation factor comes in, good residuals meaner cheaper leasing, so a £38K Merc would be significantly cheaper to run than a C6.
hey, stop all this C6 bashing. It's going to be a rarity (due to only 500 being brought over) on UK roads and therefore more exclusive. I think the Avantime sold around 1200 examples and they are now appreciating in value. If you have neigh on £40k to spend and want something as close to a custom built exec, there's only one choice. I'm sure there have been more white 5 series sold in base spec sold last year than Citoen are hoping to sell over here. I really can't think of a really outstanding Mercededs for under £40k. Only the S class and CLS offer something a 'bit special' which is what you are paying your money for. Getting back to the other 'German cars' thread, many of the bread and butter models are a really anemic experience to own. I'm not sure I will hold mine in as high esteem as say other cars I've had. Everything works well, looks ok, goes quite well, but nothing to say 'wow, this car is truly amazing'. If their reliability (and ultimately the only reason for buying German) diminishes as we've seen in 90s Mercs and recents VWs, there is nothing left to really recomend them. Golfs and 3 series seem to be the main staple for people who want a car these days. It is such a mindless choice. Lets hope with the French and Italians improving quality and reliablity they will actually make people by a car because they like it, not just because their friend has one. It's such a lame excuse.
Exclusivity does not gaurantee desirability in this class, witness the Mazda Xedos 9 and Honda legend. I bet both of those sold a lot less than 500 examples and can now be picked up for buttons.
The Avantime will remain unique, the C6 will go the way of the XM and Vel Satis, it's simply not differant enough.
Any top executive car should lose no more than 50% of it's value over 3 years, would you bet on the C6 achieving that ?
As an aside, a friend had an Avantime for a while, he leased a used one for less than the price of a lease on a new focus. After a few weeks it was written off in minor accident, a victim of it's complex and costly body construction. I rode in it once as was rather taken taken with this mobile lounge, particularly with the massive sunroof and windows open.
Until someone on here actually test drives one and reports back we can only speculate on how good a C6 is. The nearest i've got is seeing one in the flesh. Even the car magazines don't rate it - and they've actually driven it!
I imagine residuals are hardly helped for a car like this by every bloody review screaming "ah well it'll be worth nothing in so and so years time" and "oh, it'll be hugely unreliable just like the XM". Boll*cks I say, it is what you make it. Don't service it properly, it'll be unreliable. If everyone believes the depreciation stuff sprouted by the press and carries on with badge snobbery, then yes, it won't hold its value.
It's all absurd, just look at S Classes and 7 series, the competition. Mercedes often lack in feeling, meaning they're no better on the driving entertainment front. BMWs often have absurdly large wheels and a foul ride, meaning they lack the comfort needed in an executive car. And both the S class and the 7 series are hugely unreliable. Don't believe me? Take a look at the surveys, remembering that reliability includes both the time off the road (shocking for Merc) and the repair and labour costs (shocking for both).
Being fair, I believe the C6 is overpriced, I could accept the price tag if they hadn't still borrowed some parts from Peugeot (though of course it's fine when it's German platform sharing ^_^). Whats more I wouldn't buy the C6 to drive around in a lot myself. I'd buy it as a comfortable family car for long journeys and fancy occasions and I'd have something smaller, more practical and more entertaining in everyday driving. A C4 for example.
The C6 is a limosine, designed for carrying passengers around, and it should do a superb job at that, thanks to having the best ride quality in the sector and all the luxuries you'd come to expect. I wish it luck and couldn't care less what the reviews say.
Originally posted by pantherd90: I imagine residuals are hardly helped for a car like this by every bloody review screaming "ah well it'll be worth nothing in so and so years time" and "oh, it'll be hugely unreliable just like the XM". Boll*cks I say, it is what you make it. Don't service it properly, it'll be unreliable. If everyone believes the depreciation stuff sprouted by the press and carries on with badge snobbery, then yes, it won't hold its value.
It's all absurd, just look at S Classes and 7 series, the competition. Mercedes often lack in feeling, meaning they're no better on the driving entertainment front. BMWs often have absurdly large wheels and a foul ride, meaning they lack the comfort needed in an executive car. And both the S class and the 7 series are hugely unreliable. Don't believe me? Take a look at the surveys, remembering that reliability includes both the time off the road (shocking for Merc) and the repair and labour costs (shocking for both).
Being fair, I believe the C6 is overpriced, I could accept the price tag if they hadn't still borrowed some parts from Peugeot (though of course it's fine when it's German platform sharing ^_^). Whats more I wouldn't buy the C6 to drive around in a lot myself. I'd buy it as a comfortable family car for long journeys and fancy occasions and I'd have something smaller, more practical and more entertaining in everyday driving. A C4 for example.
The C6 is a limosine, designed for carrying passengers around, and it should do a superb job at that, thanks to having the best ride quality in the sector and all the luxuries you'd come to expect. I wish it luck and couldn't care less what the reviews say.
Hear Hear. Some reviewers are adamant on bringing it down just because 'the french have never made a decent large care...period' type arguement. To me, it's a more interesting choice than the German opposition and even though they would do better on the depreciation, you just have to look at how much you're left with after buying a top of the line Mercedes at the end of 3 years. Any manufacturer that's not Gernman in this sector will always be greeted with caution, you only need to read a review of the Alfa 166 to see what I mean. What Roma's said about the C6 was equally levelled at the 166.
Main problem with buying a Mercedes is having to use their dealers. When I hear they have started treating customers with at least a little respect I may return, until then no thanks. In my experience customers are an inconvenience to them.
id never buy the C6. the outside looks allright cos its different. but the inside looks cheap. it just looks like bits of plastic joined together on the dash. so if i had to go for a comfortable cruiser from france id probably go for the C5 or the Vel Satis.
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Some really good posts here in favour of the Citroen C6. I also love it and couldn't care less what any spotty little twerp who somehow managed to blag a job as a motoring journalist thinks.
We all go on about how cars all look the same and there's hardly any individuality in car design these days... well the C6 is certainly individual and Citroen should be commended for building it. I seriously doubt it will make any money for them, but I'm just happy that they had the guts to see it through to production.
It is a really welcome return to what a big Citroen should be.
To answer the original question about Mercedes I'm afraid I don't like any of the current range, they simply do nothing for me at all. The last one I liked was the old SL from the 1990s - a very good looking car.
couldn't care less what any spotty little twerp who somehow managed to blag a job as a motoring journalist thinks.
i never trust motoring journalists, most of the time they talk crap, not only that they are biased and only give their point of view and opinion, in the end you have to make your own judgement and form your own opinions, thats what really counts!
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