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Had to go over the bridge and back through the tunnel today. Took a long time for the bridge, absolutely a-g-e-s for the tunnel.

A massive, massive jam with gawd knows how many tons of polluting fumes in the air, how many gallons of fuel being wasted etc .

For a quid on a crossing I believe was paid for many years ago.

What I don't get is we are all being told how bad WE are in our petrol eating cars, how we need congestion charges or road pricing to keep those dangerous fumes out of the air....and yet for the same polticians who want to 'save the world', in Dartford it is OK the sun never shines due to the soot on every building and in the air.

Scrap the toll and free the traffic and pollution!
 
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I think they'r stopping it the year after they stop charging on the Severn bridge! Wink

Be glad it's a quid a time - it's going to be £5.10 in January to cross the Severn bridges... Nice! Frown
 
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Try the Humber Bridge at £2.70 each way.....to get into Hull !!!!!!!! (or out depending on your point of view)

I quite enjoy going out of the dartford crossing, it is always fun to rev away in the Rodius and see the looks of surprise on the Essex wide boys as you beat their Saxo away !!!!! The trick is to get as far to the right as possible which ever way you are going.
 
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I think they'r stopping it the year after they stop charging on the Severn bridge! Wink

Be glad it's a quid a time - it's going to be £5.10 in January to cross the Severn bridges... Nice! Frown


Its a lot more in a van and lorry.
 
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The loony lefties who are in power are obsessed with taxing us and charging us for every move we make once we've stepped out of our front door. It is nonsense and has got to stop.

Since Communist Dictator Blair was voted into Number 10 by a crop of sandal-wearing, muesli-chomping Polytechnic media-studies students, dole-bludgers and idle wastes of space, they have introduced 114 NEW taxes.

I would wager most of these are levied upon road users.

The government does NOT need Road Tax, Congestion Charge, speed camera fines, parking fines, pay & display parking, residents permits, pay-per-mile road charging, tolls on bridges, fuel tax, new car tax and VAT on car purchasing and fuel in order to repair roads. I say repair rather than build and repair because they never build much-needed new ones.

Want to cut congestion and pollution? Build more roads and stop putting obstructions on the existing roads. Outlaw coned-off sections during the daytime, and cut down the number of buses blocking our roads.

This would result in quicker journey times and therefore less pollution.

But do the communists care about pollution and congestion? No of course not. Most of the Scottish Mafia down here in Westminster cannot drive. Nor can Ken Livingstone. Theyre car-haters and freedom-haters who want to take away every ounce of personal choice from our daily lives.

The toll-roads are just one aspect.

The Dartford crossing is a waste of time, i never go along it. I always go up the A2 and under the Blackwall Tunnel. Congestion is worse than ever at the moment.

Government priorities are:

Rip off every free-market or private sector worker, motorist, family etc to fund the ENORMOUS and pointless government departments that the Communists have created over the last 10 years.

In London you will see between 5 and 10 traffic wardens (none of whom can speak English) in any one street. Their job is no longer to usher traffic and make sure it all moves, it is to slap tickets on everything willy-nilly to make a fortune for the corrupt freedom-haters' gold-plated Public Sector pension with which they will be rewarded at the age of 60 for having done a lifetime of nothing.

Time for the motorist to fight back i say. Id like to see a big, and i mean BIG beyond belief - protest whereby motorists block the entire country up until the supermarkets run out of food until the government have to back down.

This works to quite successful effect in certain other countries.

Just wait till the next Scottish Dictator (brown) is in power telling us what we can or cannot do, and how much we will have to pay him for doing the square root of nothing to fund the bone-idle and the useless.

I vote Jeremy Clarkson as Mayor. That would be a start. And some common sense would prevail.
 
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It's long been argued that speed humps pollute more: the slowing of cars before the hump and the acceleration after the hump causing more pollution and wear and tear on vehicles than a normal piece of road.

The optimal speed (apparenty) for fuel consumption is 56mph. I've never seen a 56mph speed limit.

Public transport pollutes more per passenger than the average car yet it's a "greener" way to travel.

The government don't really care about the environment. They don't really care about CO2 or particulates. If they did then we'd all be driving hybrids (because they'd introduce tax-cuts for all low-emission vehicles) or catching buses fuelled by hydrogen (because they'd subsidise the research) or improving traffic flow (because they'd recognise that constantly moving traffic is better for the environment than stop-start).
The government care about money. That's why they have a tax on fuel, a road tax, VAT on cars and threaten us regularly with more taxes. I fail to see how Gordon Brown lining the treasury with more money to spend on bad legislation improves the environment!
 
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Alfisti yet again youre right.

Non-socialist governments encourage scientific research and urban development so that problems may be cured.

Our government is a Marxist/communist mess who care about only generating huge amounts of money for themselves and for the idle, at the expense of the private individual.

Cars only produce 10 to 15 percent of worldwide pollution. The lefties see us as a mobile piggy bank, and taxing the so-called "rich" (Socialist description of the "rich" = anyone who gets up in the morning, goes to work & supports themselves) and watching our every move including trespassing into our homes to see what they can tax us on or fine us for.

It has got to stop.

I propose removing all buses from London & getting people to cycle.

Imagine Oxford Street at 5pm everyday without that 2-mile long bus jam in both directions. It would be fantastic.

For those who dont live in London, and live thousands and thousands of miles away in Scotland, the bus jam in Oxford Street is one of the most intimidating and depressing sights (and smells) in London. Every day, buses are nose to tail down the entire street in both directions, not moving but chucking out vile black smoke.

BAN THEM, and get Ken out & deport him to a country with a communist dictatorship which allows no freedom, and robs you blind if you dare go to work for a living. He would fit in perfectly there.

Meanwhile the good people of the UK should be encouraged to VOTE CONSERVATIVE and get a sensible government back into power whereby we all as supposed free individuals get a fairer deal and get left alone to get on with it without being robbed blind every time we dare venture out of our front doors.

I hope Nick Ferrari stands for london Mayor. Or Jeremy Clarkson.
 
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Alfisti yet again youre right.

Non-socialist governments encourage scientific research and urban development so that problems may be cured.

Our government is a Marxist/communist mess who care about only generating huge amounts of money for themselves and for the idle, at the expense of the private individual.

Cars only produce 10 to 15 percent of worldwide pollution. The lefties see us as a mobile piggy bank, and taxing the so-called "rich" (Socialist description of the "rich" = anyone who gets up in the morning, goes to work & supports themselves) and watching our every move including trespassing into our homes to see what they can tax us on or fine us for.

It has got to stop.

I propose removing all buses from London & getting people to cycle.

Imagine Oxford Street at 5pm everyday without that 2-mile long bus jam in both directions. It would be fantastic.

For those who dont live in London, and live thousands and thousands of miles away in Scotland, the bus jam in Oxford Street is one of the most intimidating and depressing sights (and smells) in London. Every day, buses are nose to tail down the entire street in both directions, not moving but chucking out vile black smoke.

BAN THEM, and get Ken out & deport him to a country with a communist dictatorship which allows no freedom, and robs you blind if you dare go to work for a living. He would fit in perfectly there.

Meanwhile the good people of the UK should be encouraged to VOTE CONSERVATIVE and get a sensible government back into power whereby we all as supposed free individuals get a fairer deal and get left alone to get on with it without being robbed blind every time we dare venture out of our front doors.

I hope Nick Ferrari stands for london Mayor. Or Jeremy Clarkson.


Spot on Palmira!

Ken Livingston is a pot and kettle communist, who has ruined London.

I think its time someone with a blue badge was voted in! Wink
 
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blair is about as far from communism, labour principles and indeed socialism as the windbag clarkson......personally, i cant stand tony b liar....but i aint hearin much from the tories to convince me of their worth either.....vote me in palmy, i'l let ya drive your panzervagons roughshod over the proletariat at motoring theme parks all over britain...solve the unemployment problem, prison overcrowding and drug addiction in the uk by employing all the ne'erdowells to 'work' in these parks on a 'conscription' basis and i'l allow y'all to pursue them around mock streets in a death race 2000 style melee....they will however be armed and dangerous too....natural selection will then allow me to pick the stronges, williest and most ruthless killers to form my task force to sneak up the tunnel and invade france....i'l only use the survivors of the employees and paying customers, therefore starting a self funding armed response force for civil defence while getting rid of the weak and poor of society in a relatively humane and indeed totaly profitable manner.....enter at your peril.....you pay to cause death and destructio, but may ultimately end up paying with your life...bit like the soldiers in the middle east who are taxed to fund their own deaths in the tony and george show......but my way is much more FUN......
 
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Big G, as ever i vote for you. Not too sure about invading france, i quite like it being French...

However i totally agree with your ideas and policies. Make lags work their debt off with HARD LABOUR which they DONT GET PAID for. I dont want to pay to keep wrongdoers in luxury prisons, where they dont learn their lessons.. and i can tell you , the commies will have to KILL me first before i pay the taxes from my 70-hour working week to fund legalised NHS Heroin for useless criminals who depend on it. I am absolutely NOT paying for that.

If the jails are too full because we become tough on crime, the answer is easy. I do NOT want to pay for more jails and to keep more ne'erdowells in comfort. The answer is start bumping off some of the serious criminals to make way.

I like your armed response idea.

Also Big G, this will please you - in the part of London i live in, there is an Ordnance Curfew for under 18s just like the one in Texas when i lived in Houston it was for under 21s.

I am astonished that in lilly-livered, do-gooding, left-wing Britain, our borough have managed to get this victory for common sense through Parliament - but its superb.

I can go out at night and enjoy it without gangs of no-hopers loitering.

They should all be doing national service anyway!
 
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Simple answer!

Move to a nice, rural village and forget London, (and other big cities), except for visits.

Cheaper housing, far more and better driving/riding roads, much less pollution, including the often underestimated LIGHT pollution, far less traffic and congestion, much NICER all round.

I am so glad i swapped dusty, dirty, smokey, busy, congested, crime-ridden London N15, for a tranquil village in the beautiful Peak District which is virtually crime-free.

Superb. Big Grin


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Bamford - Tottenham may well be crime ridden, and the reasons are because of what we have been discussing already here.

Where i live (SW13) is a very low crime area and very very pleasant - but busy. Traffic is awful most of the time, and as i sit & write here i can hear buses pulling over & black cabs etc..

However I wouldnt swap it for the countryside. I would hate to live in the country. What would I do with my time? I have an incredible social life here and a highly paid job. There are alot of very nice things to do which are right on my doorstep.

I just object to London's governing bodies. They run it so badly and favour minority groups and pick on motorists in an extreme fashion.

Housing might be cheaper in the countryside - but there is a good reason for that - there is no work there. And nothing much to do.

I suppose it is ok if you are independently wealthy or retired - Cornwall is full of London holiday homes for example..

I wouldnt be able to enjoy the high standard of living that I do here anywhere else in the UK. Provincial England is poor by comparison.

I just wish we could get the right wingers back into power in London and let us run our businesses, drive our cars and do our social activities without a nanny state taxing us for every move.
 
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Some points taken Andy.

But i am 10-20-30 minutes in a car from just about everything i could possibly want.

Be it one of the 100 or so music concerts i go to per year, or whatever else i need.

Don't underestimate the countryside mate, it knocks spots off overcrowded, noisy and 'filled to the rafters with cars and lorries' roads.
Hands down too.

Yes, i am retired, very happily too, but you couldn't pay me to live in a big city and put up with traffic jams day in day out.
NO WAY HOZAY! Smile


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Don't underestimate the countryside mate, it knocks spots off overcrowded, noisy and 'filled to the rafters with cars and lorries' roads.
Hands down too.

Yes, i am retired, very happily too, but you couldn't pay me to live in a big city and put up with traffic jams day in day out.
NO WAY HOZAY! Smile


Agree with you there, Bamford, I lived in Glasgow for several years, though I enjoyed myself, I was glad to get back to the country, even if its only on the outskirts of a small town - I think its one of those things that "polarises" people's opinion - there are those who love the hustle and bustle of city living and those of us who like the peace and quiet of country living......
 
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