B308 I cannot understand how you can enjoy driving and be an active member of a car enthusiasts forum by just pottering around at low speed in a Skoda Diesel Estate.

Do you not enjoy the sounds, smells, speed of proper, fun driving? You must have a proper car that you use for fun sometimes? Motorsport would be so much more boring if all you got was a low boring rattle from some stinky old Diesel engine.

Heaven the forbid the idea of a Diesel F1 car.. it would be more effective than counting sheep!

Diesel might be more efficient, but its fumes are highly carcenogenic. Speaking of a Fun car, Used Noble M12 or New Exige or used 911. I think you know what I would choose, but what's best? (PS, no Merc's please Palmy, as much as I would like an SL55.)

For affordable big smiles.. Exige. For out and out pace and devastating speed, the Noble.

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Originally posted by Noxide:
B308 I cannot understand how you can enjoy driving and be an active member of a car enthusiasts forum by just pottering around at low speed in a Skoda Diesel Estate.

Do you not enjoy the sounds, smells, speed of proper, fun driving? You must have a proper car that you use for fun sometimes? Motorsport would be so much more boring if all you got was a low boring rattle from some stinky old Diesel engine.

Heaven the forbid the idea of a Diesel F1 car.. it would be more effective than counting sheep!

Who said I "potter" around? - you are making assumptions - I do drive quickly when I want to but I don't get any enjoyment from traffic light races - thats drag racing, which i find very boring. I love driving fast in the country, particularly in the Welsh/English borders.

My car is quite quick enough for what I want it for, 40-60 and 50-70 are great for overtaking and it does 115 mph which I have used in Germany.

I'm not a boy racer like you, but I enjoy driving whether it be fast "B" road stuff, or driving up the mountain passes in the Alps, there is much more than just 0-60, you know!

As far as I'm aware its a Motoring Forum for all of us with a liking for Cars and Motoring, not limited to those who just like driving fast in a straight line - I think I'm repeating myself here, but there are motor sports which are all about maneouvering the car and "trials" both of which do not take place at high speed - not my cup of tea, but are you saying they should be excluded too?

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Originally posted by ProfJC:
Diesel might be more efficient, but its fumes are highly carcenogenic.

Benzine, anyone? - found in carcenogenic quantities in Petrol but only traces in Diesel, Prof - we've covered this before, both are as bad as each other - end of story!

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Originally posted by Noxide:
B308 I cannot understand how you can enjoy driving and be an active member of a car enthusiasts forum by just pottering around at low speed in a Skoda Diesel Estate.

Do you not enjoy the sounds, smells, speed of proper, fun driving? You must have a proper car that you use for fun sometimes? Motorsport would be so much more boring if all you got was a low boring rattle from some stinky old Diesel engine.

Heaven the forbid the idea of a Diesel F1 car.. it would be more effective than counting sheep!

Who said I "potter" around? - you are making assumptions - I do drive quickly when I want to but I don't get any enjoyment from traffic light races - thats drag racing, which i find very boring. I love driving fast in the country, particularly in the Welsh/English borders.

My car is quite quick enough for what I want it for, 40-60 and 50-70 are great for overtaking and it does 115 mph which I have used in Germany.

I'm not a boy racer like you, but I enjoy driving whether it be fast "B" road stuff, or driving up the mountain passes in the Alps, there is much more than just 0-60, you know!

As far as I'm aware its a Motoring Forum for all of us with a liking for Cars and Motoring, not limited to those who just like driving fast in a straight line - I think I'm repeating myself here, but there are motor sports which are all about maneouvering the car and "trials" both of which do not take place at high speed - not my cup of tea, but are you saying they should be excluded too?

Who said I was a boyracer, liked burning off traffic lights and going fast in a straight line? Country roads in the summer with the dappled shade and the windows down is fantastic fun, I also enjoy being active in karting.

I have not burnt away from the Traffic lights ONCE in my car since I have had it.

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Originally posted by Noxide:
Who said I was a boyracer, liked burning off traffic lights and going fast in a straight line? Country roads in the summer with the dappled shade and the windows down is fantastic fun, I also enjoy being active in karting.

I have not burnt away from the Traffic lights ONCE in my car since I have had it.

Sorry, I also made assumptions about you that were obviously unfounded!

Its just that you seem to think that unless the car is petrol driven and has a "good" power/weight ratio you cannot enjoy driving (and that comment is based on your previous posts about "racing" (for want of a better word) other cars) - are you now admitting that speed is not all and that Motoring and Car Enthusiasts cover a wide spectrum and all of us have a right to enjoy ourselves however we wish?

Of course, and I will defend everybodys right to do so.. I merely highlighted that incident with the 330d to show that these big diesels are not as untouchable as people think they are.

I'm sure everyone has had the odd tussle on the roads, even you, B308.

At the end of the day, my not liking Diesels is my own opinion and although I will battle that opinion on this forum until I draw my last breath, it is all in good nature and heart.

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Originally posted by Noxide:
Of course, and I will defend everybodys right to do so.. I merely highlighted that incident with the 330d to show that these big diesels are not as untouchable as people think they are.

I'm sure everyone has had the odd tussle on the roads, even you, B308.

At the end of the day, my not liking Diesels is my own opinion and although I will battle that opinion on this forum until I draw my last breath, it is all in good nature and heart.

Don't think I ever said they were untouchable, but they are a lot faster than they used to be and I'm not sure the result would have been the same against Jenson's BMW when he had it!

Not sure about the tussle remark, I try to avoid them if I can, they only cause grief and then you have some big, hairy lout trying to drive you off the road - wonder why they always tend to be gorillas who try to do that to you just because you had the gall to overtake them?!

I respect your view that you dislike diesels, all that I ask is that you accept that others may hold other views and they have just as much right to that view - it doesn't make you wrong, nor does it make them wrong - diesels are just as much a part of the motoring scene as petrols - you will just have to accept it and live with it - there's no point in trying to deny it!

I have to say, having driven petrol engine cars for 15 years the past 2 years in a diesel have been quite interesting. In fact I actually have an Automatic as well which is another break from having had a manual for 15 years!! I suppose I must be too old - diesel, estate car and automatic in one go!! My boy racer days are long gone!!!

I must say though it's horses for courses when it comes to diesel/petrol - Ignore the fact that diesel is 3-4p more expensive a litre - The economy is fantastic- this seems to be the one thing most people don't mention - but with fuel prices about to go over £1 a litre I think it is important. I must admit in a automatic at idling and pulling away speeds it is noisier than a petrol - but I also have an old Rover 414si L reg!! which at 60 mph does 3000 revs whereas my diesel Citroen does 100 mph at 3000 revs!!! I have also driven up to Scotland with 5 people and luggage in a diesel and there is very little effect on performance and although fuel economy is lower not as much a defecit as petrol. So I am a diesel convert - however I'm not sure I'd want one in an Aston Martin DB9

[QUOTE]Originally posted by beach:
is a bmw 535d a 1.8 non turbo diesel engine then? why would you say that? doesnt make sence.[
Dear all I am new to this and dont want to upset anyone who is more knowledgble than me but just bought a 2006 BMW 535d m sport having traded my 2005 petrol 530 m sport and i am truly amazed at the difference in the cars.i swore i would never have a diesel too smelly,noisy sounds like a taxi and i love the smooth bmer 6 cyl petrol engines... how wrong was i , this car is amazing so much so that i have had to buy a snooper indago radar thingy to save my license and i want to upgrade to 6 series next year but wont until they put the 35d in the 6 series as the 645 is a pudding.
in closing anyone got advice as to the best diesel for such a car....its awesome love it so much..believe the hype boys the smelly stuff has finally caught up with petrol in a big way

BMW535D, you'll get a fair amount of derv-hate on this forum, it pretty much goes with the territory.
For example, as much as i like posters Noxide and Palmira and as much as i value their input here, i will never agree with them about (some) diesels. They know that too.

I went out and bought the 535d M Sport because i needed to see for myself what all the fuss was about and whether they were fast in truth. They are, very, but until someone has driven a 535d for a while and got used to driving it correctly, the true value of the engine is never appreciated, as you will know yourself.
It took a very special car indeed to drag me away from my 535d, my current M3 CSL. The stock M3 would not have been enough, so good was the diesel. I am very pleased i made the change because i have a depreciation-proof (virtually) car which feels, sounds and goes fantastically well.
But i am not ruling out another diesel some time ahead. If one of the German manufacturers fit a 4-litre V8 diesel to a sporty saloon or coupe, which is on the cards, i could well be taking a good look.

But i am not ruling out another diesel some time ahead. If one of the German manufacturers fit a 4-litre V8 diesel to a sporty saloon or coupe, which is on the cards, i could well be taking a good look.[/QUOTE]
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Did you know that Honda are developing a V6 diesel? I can't wait!
Until then I am more than happy with the performance, smoothness and economy of my tuned Accord 2.2 CTDi. I have just done over 600 miles on one tank.

I have the same engine as your Accord in my CRV. When you say tuned, do you mean remapped? This one has been remapped by DMS and has a useful increase over stock in power and torque.

Sorry, to answer you, i will wait for a V8.

Whoa. This threads whiffs a bit, and not just because it's diesel powered. Think it has been dead and buried too long.

Put down the shovels boys!

That Honda Diesel V6 should be superb for what it is. Naturally, I'd still have the petrol, but I have been very impressed with the Honda DERV that's in the current Civic for it's quietness and refinement.

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Originally posted by B Greenaway:
Whoa. This threads whiffs a bit, and not just because it's diesel powered. Think it has been dead and buried too long.

Put down the shovels boys!

Get away Greeny, we may unearth a gem yet!

The 2.2 diesel is even nicer in the Accord and less nice in my CRV, Nox. Good lump though.

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Originally posted by Bamford:
I have the same engine as your Accord in my CRV. When you say tuned, do you mean remapped? This one has been remapped by DMS and has a useful increase over stock in power and torque.

I have a TUNIT V-CR (www.Tunit.co.uk)
Torque up from 252 to 281 lbs ft
I was considering an induction kit but feedback I got was that it may be too noisy.

Forget the induction kit. It is noisy and won't give you much more bhp or torque.
The Accord is a car i loaned when our last 4x4, a Hondas HRV was in service and it impressed me with it's quietness and performance.

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Originally posted by Bamford:
The Accord is a car i loaned when our last 4x4, a Hondas HRV was in service and it impressed me with it's quietness and performance.

What about a K&N air filter? Worth having?

No, in a word.
The standard airbox and filter are set up such that you'd probably get 2 bhp at the most from an air filter.
If you really need more oomph, get a DMS remap.
Ours now has 160 bhp and 300ft-lbs, up 22bhp and 49 lbs-ft over stock. Expensive though.

I have been unfortunate enough to drive a number of Diesels and nothing gives me more satisfaction than switching the damn things off before I get out. How anyone would opt for a diesel over a petrol car is beyond me… but then I don’t see why people waste their money buying Renaults so what do I know?