A great mess has erupted in Greece over the ability of Fiat Bravo 1.4 90hp to be immobilised,full weighted in a test that includes a ten times braking from 62 mph to 0...The car tested,according to Auto Motor und Sport Greece has lost brakes from the third braking.As the experts of the magazine tried to find out the cause for an event such this,they found out that the accident is caused by the small size of disc brakes at the Fiat Bravo 1.4 90hp when compared to the competition: Fiat Bravo 1.4: 257mm(front) ,251mm (rear) Ford Focus 1.4: 278mm(front) ,265mm (rear) Citroen C4 1.4: 283mm(front) ,249mm (rear) Hyundaii30 1.4: 280mm(front) ,262mm (rear) VW Golf 1.4: 280mm(front) ,255mm (rear)
On the contrary the brakes used for turbocharged 1.4 versions of Fiat Bravo are normal as well as for the diesels mainly sold elsewhere in Europe.Greece prohibits the use of privately owned and company owned diesel cars... Auto Motor and Sport claims that the test where the incident took place in a test ISO 9001/2000 certified... The magazine claims that Fiat asked them to test some cars again but not randomly selected as the magazine wanted to...I am very confused as I seriously planned to buy a Fiat 500 when the car will go on sale here in January...It is true however that the magazine has been very offensive towards Fiat however Fiat hasn't revealed its opinion on the event and tried to ban the articles from the internet as nothing is proved...I do think that the magazine offensive is done deliberately however I have no evidence on this.I also think that the magazine is true when claiming that Fiat Bravo 1.4 90hp wears small brakes taking into account its weight of 1300kgs but it does not assure that the accident happened due to this fact...
Originally posted by tolis: A great mess has erupted in Greece over the ability of Fiat Bravo 1.4 90hp to be immobilised,
Slow news day??
_________________________ "Forward", he cried, from the rear, and the front rank died. And the General sat, and the lines on the map moved from side to side.
I'm rather sarcastically suggesting that the "eruption of a great mess" (a fabulous phrase BTW; on so many levels) over the braking capabilities of a FIAT would likely entail a lack of more significant things to concentrate the efforts of ones national media on ...
_________________________ "Forward", he cried, from the rear, and the front rank died. And the General sat, and the lines on the map moved from side to side.
To give you an example Ian: There was no nuclear holocaust in Kettering to day. This brings it into line with other Northamptonshire towns which have also not suffered nuclear holocausts in recent months. "This doesn’t meant that we are in any way complacent” said a local councillor.
My old Mk1 Fiat Punto (ahhh..college days) ate brake pads at an alarming rate, and no I didn't cram the brakes late into every corner. Punto's have always scoffed pads and discs. The Mk1 Bravo is the same. Ask any Kwik Fit Fitter.
Originally posted by Boig: I'm rather sarcastically suggesting that the "eruption of a great mess" (a fabulous phrase BTW; on so many levels) over the braking capabilities of a FIAT would likely entail a lack of more significant things to concentrate the efforts of ones national media on ...
Probably I used very formal english to describe an event that has occupied the covers of a magazine for several weeks now not to the extent as described by the phrase : "eruption of a great mess"...Indeed brakes are a very vital part of a car's function and safety for its passengers especially for a small family car from a well respected manufacturer such as Fiat...This event is among the first things that car fans discuss all these days in Greece.It is because it has ended up to a war between Fiat and Motorpress Ellas(Ellas is Greece for those who do not know),the company that publishes Auto Motor und Sport in Greece.The brakes may be better than those in 1997 but you should remember that safety technology has come into major breakthroughs all these years and that Fiat Bravo weighs more than 1300kg for a 90hp car...
The controversy that AMS started in Greece actually ended up causing it to be ridiculed by car forum readers, because of the following factors:
1. The rusty brake they initially showed was from a Toyota Corolla AE92 - and they said it was from a year 2007 Fiat Bravo! 2. Their argumentation and reasoning were immediately disproved by people with greater technical knowledge. 3. AMS' journalists accused their colleagues from other magazines of being on Fiat's payroll. 4. They claimed that the incident happened at LG Lamia (the military airport of Lamia), which is supervised by the Hellenic Air Force General Staff. However, the Air Force flatly denies this incident ever happened. 5. Their anti-Fiat campaign involved a chain-email message, which is a clear violation of EU anti-spam directive 2002/58/EC, since it's spam.
Originally posted by assettt: I see the UK focus upto 1.6 cc have drums on the rear. I wonder how effective the drums are in comparison to the smaller rear discs on the Bravo.
About the same. Both cars have pretty good brakes - according to tests carried out by EVERY car magazine in the world (barring Auto Motor und Sport Greece).
