Has anyone else but me noticed how poor 406 drivers are.
Every time i get caught behind one in free flowing traffic, they dawdle along at a snails pace in the fast lane, drift across lanes, don't signal and cut corners. To be fair, a quarter of them seem to be minicabs.
What really annoys me is when they draw level with cars in the slow lane and remain at that speed!
Originally posted by Wobbletastic: I don't see many 406's but I know what you mean... Corsa drivers need to learn to drive as well.
Only, from what I have seen, those driving what can be only be described as chavtastic Corsas. All the weight of their tacky body kits and 17 or 18 inch wheels must kill what little performance a 1.0 12v Corsa has to start with.
On top of the stupid body kit comes a usually even more stupid driver with little or no road sense.
Yes that’s what I meant… Corsa drivers seem to have far less road sense than almost every other group of drivers that I’ve seen. It’s mostly young women trying to attach themselves to your rear bumper whenever the road straightens up, or taking hours and many attempts to park or male chavs pretending that the size of their exhaust in some way reflects the size of their manifold.
Can't comment on 406's cause don't see that many these days but there is some pratt who has a 407sw round here who either can't see very well or just doesn't give a damn - never seen him do under 80/85mph ( speeding is bad enough but its the rest of his driving ability aswell - or lack of that gets me.
Exactly, B, its just that there are more Pugs and Corsas around so you will notice them more, they are no better and no worse than most other mainstream cars - I've even seen BMWs driven slow ffs!
By the way Nox we've had the "slow" discussion before, there's no car around at the momement which is "dangerously" slow - even ones with 0-60 over 20 secs are not dangerous as long as they are driven with respect to their power (or lack of it) - again it is the driver who makes them dangerous, just as it is the driver of a fast car which makes it dangerous!
Yaris 1.1 as a courtesy car for a fortnight. Brilliant in the city; almost fun. Pretty awful on dual carriageways and Mways but it wasn't exactly dangerously slow. It would've run out of puff on a moderate hill but so long as you're in the inside lane that's not an issue. Had a Clio 1.2. Got into the outside lane of the A38 south of Exeter. I was inexperienced and didn't realise how steep the road was. Ended up doing 55mph and straining back into the inside lane without overtaking the car I'd originally tried to pass. It just didn't have the power to get up that hill at 70mph- is that dangerously slow?
Originally posted by Alfisti147: Yaris 1.1 as a courtesy car for a fortnight. Brilliant in the city; almost fun. Pretty awful on dual carriageways and Mways but it wasn't exactly dangerously slow. It would've run out of puff on a moderate hill but so long as you're in the inside lane that's not an issue. Had a Clio 1.2. Got into the outside lane of the A38 south of Exeter. I was inexperienced and didn't realise how steep the road was. Ended up doing 55mph and straining back into the inside lane without overtaking the car I'd originally tried to pass. It just didn't have the power to get up that hill at 70mph- is that dangerously slow?
Yes.
b308 you are wrong here. A car can be dangerously slow. Any car with a 0-60 of 15 seconds or more I would say is getting to be dangerous. I can understand your school of thought that superior driving can eliminate instances where you might need fast acceleration, but that's an idealistic view and not a realistic one. If you haven't got enough oopmh to get yourself out of trouble, or maintain speed on steep gradients, the car is dangerous.
0-60 isn't a true measure of acceleration in real driving. It's just a drag-race measurement. 0-30 is more likely in real road driving and no car is really going to be dangerous at those speeds. What you're talking about is motorway and dual carriageway ability. For this the best measure is 50-80mph in 4th gear: You're in the outside lane overtaking and a slower car pulls out so you slow down to accomodate them. Once they've pulled back in you change down and floor the throttle. That is something that a lot of small cars struggle with. It's still not dangerous though. Annoying to be stuck behind, yes but it's not going to cause pile ups (unless your suspension fails during high-speed cornering- that's dangerous)
The only thing that makes a car dangerously slow is another car approaching it dangerously fast.
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Originally posted by Alfisti147: 0-60 isn't a true measure of acceleration in real driving. It's just a drag-race measurement. 0-30 is more likely in real road driving and no car is really going to be dangerous at those speeds. What you're talking about is motorway and dual carriageway ability. For this the best measure is 50-80mph in 4th gear: You're in the outside lane overtaking and a slower car pulls out so you slow down to accomodate them. Once they've pulled back in you change down and floor the throttle. That is something that a lot of small cars struggle with. It's still not dangerous though. Annoying to be stuck behind, yes but it's not going to cause pile ups (unless your suspension fails during high-speed cornering- that's dangerous)
This is where the latest turbo diesels are much better than many people give them credit. The 0-60 and 0-100 times never show, as i have said many times before, the TRUE performance OUT ON THE ROAD. My 535d had overtaking ability much better than cars with theoretically better 0-60 times. It's called GRUNT. I had 506 lbs-ft of the stuff and it showed out there on the open road, time after time after time.
Originally posted by Noxide: [ I can understand your school of thought that superior driving can eliminate instances where you might need fast acceleration, but that's an idealistic view and not a realistic one..
Its not "superior" driving, Nox, its just driving within the ability of the car, for instance, not trying to overtake on a steep hill when you know the car hasn't got the power - thats not "superior", its just common sense!
And it is realistic, if you are driving fast then you should be able to judge the speed of the cars in front of you and adjust your driving accordingly, if you are not capable of that then you shouldn't be driving fast in the first place. With the cars we are talking about you wouldn't be driving them fast anyhow, so why would you need to have to accelerate out of trouble? You are just trying to justify yourself using extremely dubious arguement.
A bus or lorry is a lot slower that the cars we are talking about, if you can allow for them, why can't you allow for slower cars???
Originally posted by Rick James: Has anyone else but me noticed how poor 406 drivers are.
Every time i get caught behind one in free flowing traffic, they dawdle along at a snails pace in the fast lane, drift across lanes, don't signal and cut corners. To be fair, a quarter of them seem to be minicabs.
What really annoys me is when they draw level with cars in the slow lane and remain at that speed!
Your thoughts...
Well Robert De Niro seemed to handle his quite well in Ronin! I have owned two of these cars and and can't say that my driving skills were to be questioned a bit of a blanket statment you have made here, have you come across every 406 that was ever produced? I don't think so!. however when I had my E30 2liter BMW everyone would try and run you off the road I guess a car seems to provoc a reaction to some people.
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Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes. After that, who cares? ...He's a mile away and you've got his shoes.
I've heard rants against young women in hatchbacks, old men in Rovers, women with children in the car, men driving Scoobys and Evos, company car drivers, BMW drivers, Audi drivers, VW Passat drivers, Corsa drivers, lorry drivers, VW Golf drivers, SUV drivers... The list is endless. Why are we so inhospitable on the roads?
I get irritated by old ladies towing trollies around the local shopping mall but I'm not going to rant and say all old ladies need lobotomies and why do they need those trollies etc.etc.
What is the psychological change that makes is lose all our patience as soon as we hop into the car? It happens to me, it happens to my wife, it happens to my parents and just about everyone I've ever shared a car with. Why?
What is the psychological change that makes is lose all our patience as soon as we hop into the car? It happens to me, it happens to my wife, it happens to my parents and just about everyone I've ever shared a car with. Why?
You're in a metal box weighing about a ton.
If you have a go at the old lady in the supermarket, she will poke you in the eye with her umbrella. Have a go at her in her Nissan Micra and she can't hear you; even if she could, its unlikely her umbrella could penetrate the door of your car.
People are agressive in cars because they are shielded from the consequences. Same reason people get all feisty on the interweb.
In short, the risk of getting a slap is an extremely effective deterrent to rudeness.
_________________________ "Forward", he cried, from the rear, and the front rank died. And the General sat, and the lines on the map moved from side to side.
That's true Boig. Cosseted in your car with the outside world at bay it's safe to assume you won't get a slapping from the guy you've just vented your spleen at.
however when I had my E30 2liter BMW everyone would try and run you off the road I guess a car seems to provoc a reaction to some people. 