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Hi Everyone glad to hear that construction is progressing at Porto Dos Corais. I am still a little nervous about the project but I am not sure if thats because I am new to investing or because its overseas. I am looking at it as a long term investment as in the short term I agree there is probably little profit to be made.

I have recently heard from Manzanares (who most people seem to be using from earlier threads) but I can't say I am confortable with them although I can't put my finger on why. They have just sent me a basic report saying all checks are fine and can I now send the next payment. I have asked them to send me a draft of the contract, copies of the bank guarantee, confirmation that they are registered lawyers etc.
Has everyone just gone ahead and signed the authorisation for everything to be done on their behalf without checking. I guess what I'm asking is am I being over cautious? I would welcome your comments please?
 
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Like you this is my first time investing abroad.I am also using Manzanares. At the end of the day I think you have to go iwth the flow and trust them to do their job properly. It doesn't matter what checks you carry out, there is always a possibibility the wheel may come off. We are so far away and have little control. Like somebody said previously, sometimes you have to take a risk. There is a risk with everything.. In fairness, they are holding my second payment until they are staisfied the construction level is where it should be.
 
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Hi Garcia

I have just asked them to send me copies of the legal docs but I guess your probably right its a risk I am just gonna have to take. Fingers crossed it will all work out fine in the end.
 
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I am using Manzanares and so far so good. I was a little sceptical in the beginning as I'm sure we all were/are. So far they have delivered and are waiting until certain parts of the build are completed before requesting payments. There is an element of risk in any investment in both UK & abroad but I believe the good in this case far out weigh the bad, plus it makes it just that bit more exciting!!!
 
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Tracey,
Nothing wrong with your maths at all;though conversely,imho,i believe that the theoretical underpinnings,projected growth rates and indeed your understanding of the taxation implications are not entirely accurate.
I have made a number of investments in N.E.Brazil and would like to firstly turn my attention to those aspects which are less susceptible to dispute and interpretation-namely the facts relating to taxation in the region.

There is incidentally a double taxation agreement in operation between Brazil and the U.K and it is unlikely the vast majority of people will pay in excess of 2% p.a.IPTU(local taxes) irrespective of the location of their property.

Rental income is taxed at 15%(with a min exemption of 1,500 Reais)up to 6,000 Uk sterling.
You were correct in that CGT is 15% ,though bear in mind that any improvements are fully deductible and that the rate drops to ZERO if the proceeds are reinvested in Brazil and not repatriated.There is also some political lobbying to reduce the rate to zero if the property is held for 5 years,though the best option at present if one wishes to sell prior to this period is to establish a Brazilian company and transfer title to the latter.This will also facilitate the opening of a bank account,not normally available to non resident foreigners, and a CGT rate of just over 6%.

Regarding your observation that there are no major hotel chains,may i be bold enough to suggest that the entire raison detre of investing in N.E. Brazil has somehow eluded you.Your research endeavours are admirable ,though by attempting to scrutinise the detail of every tree,i feel that perhaps you have lost sight of the shape and significance of the forest itself.
Brazil is an EMERGING destination.
By the time the major hotel chains are on board, by definition,the investment window boat will have been well and truly missed. Successful early investors analyse the fundamentals(all very strong in Brazil)and invariably buy
AHEAD of the curve.(having said that, there is The Serhs in Natal and both Holiday Inn and Ibis in Fortaleza)

N.E Brazil is primarily a capital appreciation play.If my investments have not at least doubled in 5 years time,i will be extremely disappointed.With growth rates of such magnitude,any rental income should be regarded as a bonus.It will certainly not materialise in any meaningful manner until greater critical mass occurs.(back to the early market aspect)In the intervening period,just be content to cover your management and maintenance outgoings.

Brazil vs Caribbean.
I would agree (in theory) that there is more land available in Brazil,though by the time the calculation includes ALL the Carribean islands, Spanish,Dutch,Portuguese and French enclaves, Dominican Republic etc,the Caribbean transforms into quite a large mass too and i would even venture to suggest that if we were to draw a comparison with N.E Brazil-the region best geared to accelerated growth-supply is restricted here by a whole range of factors; both natural and political.

To begin with, and in general terms, the only land/property worth contemplating is within an hour max from an International Airport,so basically, we have instantaneously narrowed the best growth potential to just a four hour drive of beachfront land -one hour North and South of Pinto Martins and the same for Augusto Severo/Sao Goncaelo.That is further reduced by inaccessibility,then compressed further by non buildable areas etc.

Finally, do not underestimate the strength and impact of the environmentalists in this context.Brazil is extremely environmentally/ecologically conscious.The stark reality of obtaining full planning permission is nothing short of a nightmare!-just ask Grupo Sanchez,Grupo Nicholas Matheus etc.
Before any construction can commence,permissions must be obtained from typically 6 or 7 different organisations(eg Ibama,Idema,local authority,Semace,)Allied to a culture of bureacracy,it is difficult to envisage a more effective mode of supply restriction!

Additionally,the effects of climatic change has transformed the majority of the Caribbean from an idyllic tropical retreat to a virtual danger zone with devastating hurricanes ripping in one after another in rapid succession.Nobody would relish the prospect of paying for buildings insurance here.Premiums have rocketed by 400% to 600% with even more extreme conditions widely predicted by meteorologists.
In sharp contrast,Brazil enjoys the same tropical climate but experiences no hurricanes.The climatic conditions simply do not exist for them to form.

The real clincher though is that an off plan,130m2,three bed detached villa set in a private landscaped garden,a three minute walk from the beach, complete with furniture,jacuzzietc and communal facilities would have cost me upwards of £250,000 in the Caribbean.
Last month,i bought this property in the Natal area for just over £58,000!
An exceptional deal admittedly, but still possible for anyone that has conducted sufficient research.(tip-do not buy through U.K. agents who basically market at "gringo" prices)

So there is plenty of room for growth from these low price points but one needs to have patience.Though at an instant equity gain of approx 30%,i would like to think i have made a very good start.
Trust at least some of the above is of use to you. Cool
 
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I have recently reserved ground floor D type condo that is being sold as having sea views.

However, I have viwed some site plans purporting all type d condos to have 'garden' views on the ground floor!

The agent is assuring me that it will have seaviews as the d blocks are raised 3-4 metres above the villas in front.

Im not reassured though. Does anyone if Im able to cancel my 1000 euro reservation if I decide to pull out in light of this?

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Hi Barbersfort

I was in april standing on the ground, at the place where D building will come.
I was able to se the sea, but I don't know when the A buildings are finish....!!
I thing it's possible some places, but not much.
I will have a D first floor sea view and there will be full view to the sea - absolutely.

I have also talked with some people who canceled there A flat, as there is 100 m more to the sea as first promissed.
But after been there, I must very honest say:
There will be sea around you "all the day long" and it's rather noisy, so be happy that you didn't bought a Beach front Villa....!
 
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Hi Maracajau

thanks for the info.

looks as if the views wont be that great from mine then.
do you think the 3m elevation will make a big difference?
 
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looks like we'll be neighbours as Ive just reserved no D40 (o: Cool
 
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Hi, magnate. Thanks for the reply.

The 58K here is cheap to us, yet a million miles form the local market, and that here is the worry. It is a market soley dependant on foreign money, the locals are too far away from competing with it. There is hundreds of miles of coastline to build on, and that would take a lot of foreign investment to continue driving prices. The locals are not driving them for sure.

Teh local agents have advised us that they cannot sell resales because of the new builds, so where is your market to sell too later on?

I am also of the opnion that the 5% tax will apply to seaside properties, definately if owned by non brazillian residents.

Good luck to you, but its not for me this one.
 
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Tracey,
If you like Brazil,it is a great shame that you are unable to envisage the larger picture which will unfold in due course.
If there is a better allround investment destination anywhere worldwide with vast growth potential at such affordable price points,i am not aware of it.
If what you say about Brazil being entirely dependent upon foreign investment is correct,can you please explain why Aquiraz
(a luxury development just S.of Fortaleza) sold over 80% of its units within 8 weeks of launch?
The buyers were....BRAZILIANS!It was not even launched in or to Europeans. Cool
 
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Hi Barbersfort

As i can understand, you has today change your groundfloor D reservation to a 1'st floor (my neighbours D40)...?
Congratulation - a very good change.
I'm very sure that the 3 m will "do something", but first of all for the 1'st floor flats.

You are very lucky as D40 has been reserved for very long time, and "just" out for sale again.

I will within short time have some small movie's on my homepage aswell - and new photos of the building on the ground.
 
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Maracajau, I paid £60k (90k euros incl. all costs) for a c-type villa in central location (price includes furniture). Is that good value, are the prices higher now? Thanks.
 
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Maracajau, I paid £60k (90k euros incl. all costs) for a c-type villa in central location (price includes furniture). Is that good value, are the prices higher now? Thanks.


Well, make the 90K Euros more like £65200 as this is the current rate. This is at the offical
£/Euro = 1.38 rate.
 
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Ive just paid £60K GBP for a 2 bed D type with sea view inc rent guarantee and furniture.

I suspect this may be over the odds.

what do other people think?
 
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Rent guarantee? Not in PDC I assume? I don't doubt if you wanted to buy by the beach in Brazil you get something a LOT cheaper if you spent a long time in the country dealing direct with the local system. For most of us this is something we can't do so we take a risk. As long as it's money you don't expect a quick return on you will most likely be fine. This is early days investment wise in a country with loads of potential - just don't expect a quick buck. Enjoy!
 
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fair enough Lee A!

I did get the guarantee in PDC though..

10% over 2 years....
 
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Hi Barbersfort

How did you manage the rent guarantee and furniture. I placed a reservation on a one bed about a month ago and tried deperately to get the furniture pack and a rent guarantee but was told even by the developer direct in Brazil that this was no longer available. Do tell us your secret of the agent and/or double check its o.k.
 
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Hi there

I think the developer is ultra keen to get the last few flats sold, hence the latest incentives.

I believe they've only been offered in the past 2 weeks.....
 
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Message for "Maracajau": I just looked at your website, which seems very nice. But I was shocked to see that the "photos" of the development that you took, showing the building beginning, are NOT photos but illustrations! Look closely and you can see that the people are not real, just drawings. So please explain, thanks.

PS - You also need to update the bit which says: "The building of the resort Porto dos Corais is expected to be finished in the spring 2008 but the first part of the flats will be ready for
occupation in December 2007." The building delays have made this information very inaccurate.
 
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I'm back, but had to change username. (old: maracajau)
I was not allowed to promote my homepage, as somebody thought it's commercial.

To Harveyd: I don't understand what you are writing, as the only drawings are the Illustrations of the flat and the resort from Brazil Homes. The photos from the building beginning is absolutely real and if you are comparing with the same photos on the Norwegian (Inter Sol Invest) and Brazil Homepage (consolconstrucoes.com.br) you will se that I'm just had the photos through Photoshop to make them better looking.

But I had difficult coming back to this forum and also had a lot to do on the work, so I will be back with more and new Danish taken photos from the building very shortly.
 
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Originally posted by Hazie-baby:
I dont think you can get a beach front 600m2 plot of land in front of Porto dos Corais for £20,000 any more - More like 450m2 for £35,000. But I think even that has sold out. Just google 'beach front land maracajau' and you should get 'international property estates' aka 'brazil property developments'. He sells beach front land and also off plan villa's beachfront, 'spc overseas' also sell beach front villa's at Maracajau off plan.

If you are intersested in second line plots of land at Maracajau they are currently only 50,000Reais which is roughly £12,500 if so let me know and I can put you in contact with the person who is selling these plots.

I have just returned from Natal (31/8/07) and I have lots of pictures of Maracajau's beach front plots, The Porto Dos Corais development, Jacuma Beach Resort, and Grand Natal Golf. Let me know if anyone is interested.



Apologies - very new to this site. Hazie-baby - could you please advise of contact in regards to the second line plots of land in Maracajau.

Thanks.
 
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Any news from PDC???!! Why do we never hear anything?! What is wrong with the developer and agents that they can't make any effort to keep us informed??
 
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Has anyone looked into how they will rent their apartment on completion? I understand a few have rental guarantees from the developer but for all those like me who don't has anyone any ideas of how to do this?
 
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