I am new to all this forums business so i thought i'd try it out. i was looking to invest overseas and my wife had heard about investors sharing experinces on this forum so here i was reading through and this development (tanjah) kept on coming up. i then tried to contact this eddy charcter who i had thought that somebody had dealt with and had recommended. reading through the post i thought for a great salesman he has very bad english (literature), anyway i thought i'd ring him. After ringing him last wednesday and speking to him he had a eastern accent and then instantly knew that he had written the post himself and this was a cheap tactict to attract investors. nice try mate!!! I would recommend if any investors are intrested in buying on Tanjah the main agents who i found out to be Dreamworld.com and speak to a lady by the name of Doreen, she is not a salesperson but she had put me through to a independant sales executive who has been mentioned on this forum already who i thought had written his post himself but after speaking to him he had explained that a client asked if he could use his name as a username. you could use ifran hussain like myself but i have also have found that offplandevelopments.com are also marketing the product and After speaking to the director of off plan i will recommend him to everyone.!

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Originally posted by Danny G:
Dear readers,

I have been looking into investing into Morocco for about a month because its seem to be one of the place to invest.

I came across many other development and places. there are so many good development and everybody saids their development are the best but teh one that i decided to buy is Tanjah Beach & Golf resort from Dreamworld. The reason being is they have the best to offer compare to other development.

The person that i would recommend to speak within Dreamworld company is Mr Eddy Brarypaul. He's been very helpfull to me i called anytime and will answer the phone also help me through out my reservation process, he's very polite, good to deal with and with the right attitude.

His Number is 07765347701.

Try and you will have the same feed back from him as i have describe.

Apparently the Tanjah site flooded completely last weekend! The Dreamworld Inspection trip next week may open up lots of issues and questions about this.
Has anybody noticed that Dreamworld are not picking up the phones again and part of the website is down or has very limited info.
I hope I'm not wrong - but there seems to be a lack of transparency on this development. As a first time investor in Morocco, my observations are very mixed

Hi all
I too notices that when we actually click the "contact" details on dreamworld website it does not actually show up.

hav anypne been to their offices???

Their Phone no is 0121 708 4040 - but the line is dead.

the number that i have is the birm no 0121 236 6835 again for a large company no answerphone just bt tone alittle worrying!!!!!!

Are they part of the developrs??

pl advise b4 we put out our £'ss.

await your views

Hi Albert Hall & All!

Dreamworld seem to be having phone trouble etc. I find Casablanca Properties much more efficient.

I have heard that full planning permission, building licence and title deeds will be handed over in big ceremony at official launch on site next Saturday.

FLOODING: Apparently this site and others used to be on a flood plain, as clearly visible on Google Earth (very outdated photos!). Approx 5 years ago when the new motorway was being prepared, they built a dam and large reservoir inland from the motorway, so the stream flow was cut off and all water now flows into the sea in the main river, about 2 miles south.

Any flooding now is just surface water from heavy rains, and should be cured with a bit of simple landfill when they do the landscaping. Apparently part of the site is about 1metre below road level at present, and will be built up to 1metre above road level. Simple!

I was also worried by initial reports of flooding, but the above info came from one phone call and half an hour on the internet.
They would never get p.p. if all these problems hadn't been satisfactorily dealt with. I know investing money is scary, but let's try and get our info from reliable sources rather than scare stories started by other agents!!

Good Luck to everyone, hope to see some of you there next Saturday.

can anyone please inform me as to whether they have met anyone in person from dreamworld or attended their offices as all agents claim to be or part of dreamworld.

NEED TO KNOW before we go ahead!!!

if dreamworld is the developer then why are they charging 3500 euros as fees.

my experience is developrs dont charge only agents do!!

your views please??

I wonder if this forum would allow us to discuss the prices as the 2 bed prices i have seen vary??

Anyone who has actually made a commitment please comment??

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Originally posted by c4pete:
Hi Albert Hall & All!

Dreamworld seem to be having phone trouble etc. I find Casablanca Properties much more efficient.

I have heard that full planning permission, building licence and title deeds will be handed over in big ceremony at official launch on site next Saturday.

FLOODING: Apparently this site and others used to be on a flood plain, as clearly visible on Google Earth (very outdated photos!). Approx 5 years ago when the new motorway was being prepared, they built a dam and large reservoir inland from the motorway, so the stream flow was cut off and all water now flows into the sea in the main river, about 2 miles south.

Any flooding now is just surface water from heavy rains, and should be cured with a bit of simple landfill when they do the landscaping. Apparently part of the site is about 1metre below road level at present, and will be built up to 1metre above road level. Simple!

I was also worried by initial reports of flooding, but the above info came from one phone call and half an hour on the internet.
They would never get p.p. if all these problems hadn't been satisfactorily dealt with. I know investing money is scary, but let's try and get our info from reliable sources rather than scare stories started by other agents!!

Good Luck to everyone, hope to see some of you there next Saturday.

C4 Pete
Thanks for the update. I agree about your comments re agents etc. I guess its all about who you trust. Casablanca Properties are OK - full of information, a fair amount of sales patter. It's all about who's interest they're looking after.
A friend of mine was going to reserve with Casablanca, but pulled out when they tried to charge an extra £1000. Her gut feeling was that they were trying to squeeze the deal as much as possible. Personally I find them OK

No one I know of has talked to anyone at Dreamworld other than a chappy called Eddy. The trip next week will hopefully reassure investors.

1st Post and hello to one and all.
Off on visit on saturday.Will hopefully feel reassured to view site and meet fellow investors.This is my first venture into the overseas market and to be honest cant help but feel a little nervous.But i suppose sometimes you have to have a punt.Hopefully see a few of you on saturday.

Hi all,

Dreamworld sometimes CLAIM to be the developer (like Prestige did with PBGR) in order to give themselves more authority and avoid purchasers going to other agents. In fact I understand that they are the main agents.

Casablanca Properties charge an extra £1000 in fees, but I find their service/experience/knowledge to be hugely superior and they have other advantages - for instance ALL their reservation fees are fully refundable up until signing of the purchase contract, which will be some time yet. They have a whole family of sub-agents with the same advantages (e.g. BlueFish Property Services).

According to latest information,the developer is a Moroccan subsidiary of Gilmar (a Spanish company) called GILMAR MAROC SEASIDE RESORTS SARL. This is apparently the company which will be named on our purchase contracts.

Hopefully we will all learn a lot more on Saturday- see some of you there!

For those who have not seen the Itinerary for the Inspection Visit - here is is (from Dreamworld - who have arranged the visit):

23 October 2006 21 Coleshill Street
Sutton Coldfield
West Midlands
B72 1SD
Tel: 0121 236 6835
Fax: 0121 362 7597
Email: info@dreamworld.com


Dear Client

Inspection Trip for the Tanjah Development, Morocco – 4 & 5 November 2006

We would firstly like to thank you for your reservation on the Tanjah Development.

We have great pleasure in confirming that the first inspection flight to the site has been arranged for the 4th & 5th November 2006 at a cost of £290.00 per person. Please make cheques payable to Dreamworld.com Limited.

Please find enclosed our itinerary for the 2 days which will show you the Development and also of the scenary and delights of Tangier.

Please be sure to arrive at Birmingham Internation Airport in good time to allow for check-in, as boarding will commence at 7.00 am for prompt 7.30 am take-off. Unfortunately, we will not be able to delay the flight.

Passport

Can you also provide as soon as possible, a copy of your passport as this is required to make the hotel bookings and room allocations.

Special Requirements

If you have any special requirements, please let us know as soon as possible so that arrangements can be made.

Kind regards


Anthony J Nunn
Group Opertions Director
Dreamworld.com Limited



Tangier Trip – Itinerary


Inspection Trip for the Tanjah Development, Morocco – 4 & 5 November 2006


Flight

We have chartered a private plane to make the journey more convenient and comfortable for you.

* NOTE: Please be sure to arrive at the airport no later than 6.00 am to allow for check-in prior to boarding for take-off at 7.30 am


Departure: 07.30 am - Saturday 4 November 2006
– Birmingham International Airport

Arrival: 10.35 am – Tangier International Airport


Return

Departure: 5.00 pm – Sunday 5 November 2006
- Tangier International Airport

Arrival: 20.05 pm – Birmingham International Airport


Itinerary

Saturday

10.35 am Arrival at the Tangiers International Airport.

10.45 am Customs Passports, etc.

Luggage will be collected and sent directly to the hotel, to each of the rooms.



12.00 pm Arrival at the Development Site for the inspection and guidance around

Local typical entertainment
1.00 pm Moroccan style Buffet Lunch on site

4.00 pm Transfer to Tangier by bus through the scenic route seeing the Roman ruins of Puerto de Cota, then Cape Espartel and the Caves of Hercules, sunset will be by 5.30 pm.

6.00 pm Arrival at The Hotel Movenpick (5 Star) for check-in

6 - 8.30pm Rest

8.45 pm Dinner & Presentation by Tony Nunn, Dreamworld & Anthonio Ibanez, Gilmar. Also in attendance will be the Senior Waliya - Senior Planning Officer and the King’s Director of Foreign Investment & Development


Sunday

10.00 am Breakfast and check-out with luggage

10.30 am Transfer to visit Medina & Zoco (Souk Market)

12.30 pm Transfer to Shooting Club (close to the airport)

13.15 pm Lunch in club

14.45 pm Transfer to Tangier International Airport

3.00 pm Check-in

5.00 pm Departure

8.05 pm Arrival Birmingham International Airport

Back from the inspection trip. Quick overview - Dreamworld do exist, both directors, Tony Nunn and Ziggy werepresent, as was 1 or 2 others.
The site was flooded - but all flood management systems should eradicate this.
The trip was generally well organised by Dreamworld, although some clients didn't receive the amended itinery and turned up early.
The most dissapointing aspect was the lack of information available. It is expected that full plans etc won't be available for some weeks/ months yet.

hi guys did you see the proof of land ownership
or any other proofs for Tanjah??

bravedave
The trip was really a waste of time for many as they didnt have anything to show in terms of plans, legals etc We were led to believe it would be the launch party and all this would appear. Maybe in 3 or 4 months time a repeat trip might be a lot more successful. Albert saying the trip was well organised is generous.!
I found it useful just because of the contacts made and the whole experience (being new to the property game). Hopefully Dreamworld had a bit of a kick up the backside and will now start to come up with something worthwhile.

People worrying about the flood water need to appreciate that it looks as if the land has been excavated to create the elevated motorway, therefore creating a low lying lake. Once this has been backfilled i think it wont be an issue.

The main worry for most is the road running along the front of the site which we were told would be a 'service' road only. This is total rubbish as it supplies the villages and other proposed resorts along the coastline. It seems pretty busy now and will no doubt get worse as more developments appear.

Hi all

Dreamworld need a kick up the **** for not getting this one right, they could have so easily got it spot on with a little thought.

First clips are up on www.talkmorocco.com on the Tanjah resource page.
All talks/seminars will be their tomorrow.

Tanjah trip

Saturdays talks are on www.talkmorocco.com tanjah resource page. Sundays Seminar will be there tomorrow.

Also peoples thoughts are on the talkmorocco forum.

tanjah golf i went on this trip and it was a farce no one new what they was doing and to say they were building up the ground 15 metres is nonsense the road was directly in front of complex and was busy even on a saturday no one willuse the toll road when there is a free road to use.i think dreamworld are dreamers to think any one would purchase on this project save your money plenty of better developments about

too many grey areas, as a first time buyer abroad i am looking for something with less risk involved. unless many of the outstanding issues are resolved i can see this development(if it happens)losing reservations to the likes of emaar when their plans are revealed

by the way anyone in blocks 1 to 8 will not have sea views

Stick to the Plan Azure Governemnt projects like Saidia.

Imagine how much easier letting will be with a host of on - site international rental agencies, 30000 hotel guests per week in the same site, vast facilities, 3 championship golf courses and 60 PREMIERSHIP FOOTBALLERS INVESTING

Hi Mac101,
What is needed or missing from this development that concerns you?

I understand build time is 3 and a half years and second phase release will be substantiall higher than the 15%.

I agree with Thorr, why are people bothering with this place; way too many unknowns; not to mention the flood plain issues.

Why not wait for Emaar's development nearby or the newly released Azur site Port Lixus a short way down the road and one of the 'true' king backed resorts.

60 Premiership Footballers buying at Saidia....??? Sounds like a good reason not to buy!!!