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Hi Soup Dragon
I like the Atlantic coast resorts because they will be at the heart and give a real taste of Morocco, so I am applying the same logic to the Emaar project which will have great kudos. Also Tangier is being transformed, the main industrial port is being moved about 10 miles further into the Med and the whole front of Tangier is being re-worked. The existing International airport is currently being expanded to three times the size and there is also to be a new airport built.
Have a look at this link. I believe that Tangiers in a bout five years will have a much higher profile than it has now. Any investment in this area will increase in value considerably.
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quote: Originally posted by mac101:
Saidia will be too exclusive for the mass market. And despite what you say Thorr there will not be enough diversity. If you hate cruses you will hate Saidia.
Don't worry Thorr, there are plenty of people who like cruses, mainly older people, in fact cruses are on the up. But it is not for me. I like to follow my nose and get a taste for some real culture around Tangier and Azilah. Also Thorr I am a wind surfer so you can see why the Atlantic coast is for me. I want a bit of adventure and excitement, you wont get that in Saidia. The Atlantic resorts will attract the younger crowd who want to taste the excitement of Tangier and be able to explore Morocco. Saidia is too remote and has no sea views from apartments. For me it sounds like a retirement home, but it will be a successful one. So for everyone investing there well done. It is horses for courses, the whole of Morocco is opening up to tourism and there will be something for everyone.
I hate cruises and would never ever go on one! Im a total sea monster and seriously love waves, only yesterday discussing surfing trip to Cornwall. One benefit of Saidia is the warmer sea which is particularly of benefit in the winter season. Waves will be smaller of course but then less wind chill, so from an investment perspective I think this will give a longer rental season. To me Saidia is a chilled out, natural kind of place. Whale watching is done off shore and the resort is bordered by a nature reserve. I agree with what you say about Tanjah being in the hub and the EMAAR effect. As an investor I look to minimise risk, especially in an emmerging market like Morocco. For me Saidia is the least risk option, although Emmar would also meet my criteria but I suspect the prices on a like for like basis will be higher. In an established secure destination such as Sardinia I would invest in small one off projects but not in emmerging destinations. I perhaps have a lower risk profile than the average Tanjah investor. I did look into Tanjah many months ago. |
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Hi Mac101
I spent most of my 2 weeks in Morocco near the Tanjah development. I'm aware that Tangier is changing for the better and that transport links are improving (currently not the most accessible place when you are on a budget.) But I do have reservations. Tangier is a grubby city and I'd expect only one or two small areas (where tourists are) to be improved significantly. This isn't necessarily a bad thing as most holiday makers visiting Tanjah will be happy spending most of their time on site. Those wanting to take the odd day trip won't be short of options with Tangier, Asilah, Larache and Port Lixus all nearby.
My principal reservation is the market for the properties when you come to sell. My feeling is that property in areas that attract more mature tourists where restrictions on future development are tighter will attract a premium. This is key for me, though I can see that Tanjah may be the pick of the non-Emaar developments on this strip due to its proximity to Emaar and the marina.
As I see it there are three main pros for Tanjah, Tinjah and co over Saidia:
1) Higher proportion of the properties will have sea views.
2) There are more places worth a visit nearby.
3) Prices, for those developments already released, are that bit cheaper.
My view is that the list of pros for Saidia is longer. I won't list them as many have been listed over the last page or two and the thread is about Tanjah.
One final positive about Tanjah that I'm sure you will agree with. The coastal strip from edge of Tangier down to Asilah is good.
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Hi Thorr and Soup Dragon
I think that whole strip staring at Paradise Beach Resort going down will merge over time, the resorts are close enough. Also don't forget that at the top next door to Paradise Beach the government are building a residential area with a hospital, shops a cinema even a school. The next 5 years will be a very interesting for this area.
Like you say Saidia has a list of very good points to. I don't think anyone buying on Tanjah or Saidia will have a problem covering the mortgage with rental. Saidia may well get more of an extended season due to the points raised by Thorr. I also think that the northern Atlantic resorts will be packed from June To September.
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Reports back from an inspection trip last weekend. There is now a guard on the site of Tanjah and there is some activity with materials/machinery ready for a January start. Prices are going up by 20% before Christmas in line with the building licence.
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Hi
Just reserved a penthouse on this development, anyone got any more up to date info?
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Hi guys,
I have just purchased an apartment on the Tanjah Beach and Golf Resort. I am very excited about this 5* development. I can not see where you can go wrong with a development like this. I feel that sometimes you have to be a bit daring to see your profit grow ! The planning consent has just come through and therefore the contracts are just about to be issued, there is no doubt that the prices will be increasing. I purchased my apartment through propertyborders, and found that they were very honest and didn't just try any hard sale techniques !! (which makes me run a mile ! )Can anyone tell me what they suspect the service charge might be?
Kind Regards
Toria
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quote: Originally posted by Toria1:
Hi guys,
I have just purchased an apartment on the Tanjah Beach and Golf Resort. I am very excited about this 5* development. I can not see where you can go wrong with a development like this. I feel that sometimes you have to be a bit daring to see your profit grow ! The planning consent has just come through and therefore the contracts are just about to be issued, there is no doubt that the prices will be increasing. I purchased my apartment through propertyborders, and found that they were very honest and didn't just try any hard sale techniques !! (which makes me run a mile ! )Can anyone tell me what they suspect the service charge might be?
Kind Regards
Toria
Well Toria1, you sound very much like an agent trying to drum up interest in this so called "Investment" so why don't you tell us what the service charges will really be? |
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You've no reason to assume Toria1 is an agent - what a welcome to the forum!!!!!!
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Personally wouldn't touch this with a bargepole. If any one is serious about investing here - I urge you do 2 things
- Visit the site
- Ring the main agents and pump them for info (Dreamworld)
Then make your own mind up!
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I have purchased a penthouse on this site, I am due to visit the site tomorrow and will post if I find any problems. I think any off plan buy has dangers but for a low initial outlay seems a great opportunity, I am no expert but depending on my visit I can not see this as that risky.
Unless someone knows otherwise?
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quote: Originally posted by fws:
You've no reason to assume Toria1 is an agent - what a welcome to the forum!!!!!!
Written a bit tongue in cheek really but you have to admit some elements of the message read like a develepors brochure: " I am very excited about this 5* development" "there is no doubt that the prices will be increasing" "I purchased my apartment through propertyborders, and found that they were very honest" |
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Thankyou very much for your insult mr qvhman. I am not and have never been an agent. I have genuinley bought in the Tanjah resort and am looking to find out as much information as possible on this project. So thankyou for welcoming me in that manor. It is also handy to get to know anyone else who has bought in this resort. Why is it that whenever someone says something positive about a complex or whatever they get accused of being an agent? Could it be that maybe you're an agent? At the end of the day no matter what you say agent or not ( i'm a medical secretary ) I still think that this is a great buy - for me and a fantastic achievement. So talk to the hand ! :-)
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quote: Originally posted by qvhman: quote: Originally posted by fws:
You've no reason to assume Toria1 is an agent - what a welcome to the forum!!!!!!
Written a bit tongue in cheek really but you have to admit some elements of the message read like a develepors brochure: I wish i was an agent, i'd have loads of money by now !! :-) Just being honest i'm afraid. " I am very excited about this 5* development" "there is no doubt that the prices will be increasing" "I purchased my apartment through propertyborders, and found that they were very honest"
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Toria1 welcome to the forum. The other forumer was very rude to you and should apologise for his accusations. Just because you praise a resort or an agent does not mean you are an agent. Property Borders refused to sell tanjah until recently as unlike many agencies they waited for the planning licence. I also used them for paradise golf beach resort as i found mustapha understood Morocco then again this should be no surprise as he is Moroccan. Looking for a good agent is like looking for a needle in a haystack my advice is do as i did and find one who is a member of fopdac or some other recognised body. toria1 good luck with your purchase. quote: Originally posted by Toria1:
Thankyou very much for your insult mr qvhman. I am not and have never been an agent. I have genuinley bought in the Tanjah resort and am looking to find out as much information as possible on this project. So thankyou for welcoming me in that manor. It is also handy to get to know anyone else who has bought in this resort. Why is it that whenever someone says something positive about a complex or whatever they get accused of being an agent? Could it be that maybe you're an agent? At the end of the day no matter what you say agent or not ( i'm a medical secretary ) I still think that this is a great buy - for me and a fantastic achievement. So talk to the hand ! :-)
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quote: Originally posted by Toria1:
Thankyou very much for your insult mr qvhman. I am not and have never been an agent. I have genuinley bought in the Tanjah resort and am looking to find out as much information as possible on this project. So thankyou for welcoming me in that manor. It is also handy to get to know anyone else who has bought in this resort. Why is it that whenever someone says something positive about a complex or whatever they get accused of being an agent? Could it be that maybe you're an agent? At the end of the day no matter what you say agent or not ( i'm a medical secretary ) I still think that this is a great buy - for me and a fantastic achievement. So talk to the hand ! :-)
Medical Secretary? Ha, ha...I'm an ODP! Talk to the elbow! Well, you're an adult and it's your money, i just hope you've done your investment homework properly. This wasn't recommended to you by a Consultant was it? What worries me most about your post is you say you have already bought into this and are now "looking to find out as much information as possible on this project" Surely you are doing things the wrong way round? |
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What is wrong with you?
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Can someone help me out here because I am very interested in this development. I understand Dreamworld is the developer, and they are selling via Agents like Property Borders and I am talking to a company called Midas. Is there any difference between all these Agents?
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quote: Originally posted by qvhman: quote: Originally posted by Toria1:
Thankyou very much for your insult mr qvhman. I am not and have never been an agent. I have genuinley bought in the Tanjah resort and am looking to find out as much information as possible on this project. So thankyou for welcoming me in that manor. It is also handy to get to know anyone else who has bought in this resort. Why is it that whenever someone says something positive about a complex or whatever they get accused of being an agent? Could it be that maybe you're an agent? At the end of the day no matter what you say agent or not ( i'm a medical secretary ) I still think that this is a great buy - for me and a fantastic achievement. So talk to the hand ! :-)
Medical Secretary? Ha, ha...I'm an ODP! Talk to the elbow! Well, you're an adult and it's your money, i just hope you've done your investment homework properly. This wasn't recommended to you by a Consultant was it? What worries me most about your post is you say you have already bought into this and are now "looking to find out as much information as possible on this project" Surely you are doing things the wrong way round?
Talk to the elbow :-) LOL. Thanks for your concerns, but i don't really have much reservations about this project to be honest, except for how much the service charge is going to be. This was not recommended to me by a consultant - i have already bought two other properties in morocco and found out about this on the off chance when i was last out there. What does an ODP stand for anyway - r u going to tell me you're a doctor now !! Always have to go one better Ha Ha. That might explain why you're sooo negative  Thanks for your consideration, but so far here and abroad my investments have always paid off, though i have never invested that much money abroad ! I must admit, the project is quite expensive for morocco so this is a chance i'm taking. So have you invested anywhere Mr Qvhman as i would be interested to know as you seem to be sooo WISE? |
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quote: Originally posted by fws:
You've no reason to assume Toria1 is an agent - what a welcome to the forum!!!!!!
Thankyou for welcoming me to the forum, at least there are some decent people out there that don't become a nightmare and start attacking as soon as they see a keyboard ! I think that as soon as your honest on a forum, people think that your an agent. Whats wrong with telling people that you've had a good experience with a selling company - and why not let people know who they are, so they don't have to beat around the bush tryin to find someone honest and not just out for the money. I thought that was the point of a forum. |
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quote: Originally posted by cov flyer:
Can someone help me out here because I am very interested in this development. I understand Dreamworld is the developer, and they are selling via Agents like Property Borders and I am talking to a company called Midas. Is there any difference between all these Agents?
Hi, Dreamworld are the developers, and if i'm not mistaken you can speak directly to them. I Have rang various agents such as Casablanca, Bluefish and Churchills - and to tell you the truth, i don't like being pushed in to making a decision or being called 4x a week to " see how i'm gettin on ". I then spoke to Property borders and got the information i needed hassle free, and found that they were very laid back in their approach to sales. To get to the point they made and still make me feel comfortable, and deal with all the inquires i have straight away - not stop returning my phone calls after taking the money !. So thats the difference i find between agents - some care and some don't. My advice to you is - go for whomever you feel comfortable with. Also keep an eye out for the agency charges, as some charge more than others. |
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quote: Originally posted by bravedave: Toria1 welcome to the forum. The other forumer was very rude to you and should apologise for his accusations. Just because you praise a resort or an agent does not mean you are an agent. Property Borders refused to sell tanjah until recently as unlike many agencies they waited for the planning licence. I also used them for paradise golf beach resort as i found mustapha understood Morocco then again this should be no surprise as he is Moroccan. Looking for a good agent is like looking for a needle in a haystack my advice is do as i did and find one who is a member of fopdac or some other recognised body. toria1 good luck with your purchase. quote:
Thankyou Bravedave it nice to hear from some genuine people. I think the same as you, why not praise someone who is honest and who fantastically cares about other peoples money. I heard the same thing - that property borders refused to sell this development when there was doubts - and i think that says it all.
Congratulations on purchasing Paradise Beach, it is going to be a great development and no doubt a lucrative investment.
Originally posted by Toria1:
Thankyou very much for your insult mr qvhman. I am not and have never been an agent. I have genuinley bought in the Tanjah resort and am looking to find out as much information as possible on this project. So thankyou for welcoming me in that manor. It is also handy to get to know anyone else who has bought in this resort. Why is it that whenever someone says something positive about a complex or whatever they get accused of being an agent? Could it be that maybe you're an agent? At the end of the day no matter what you say agent or not ( i'm a medical secretary ) I still think that this is a great buy - for me and a fantastic achievement. So talk to the hand ! :-)
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