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quote: Originally posted by mehrin:
I think this campaign does not make any sense, as long as we kill and eat chicken, since we dont consider their right to live anyway. Attempting to provide chicken with space/ better life before we happily slaughter them is farcical.
No It is not. We the humans are Hunter gatherers and IF we choose to eat meat we should respect and treat it right, Give it a better standard of life especially as this in return gives a better end product. |
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Hi, my husband and myself watched the 3 programmes and found them very informative, albiet saddenning. My husband is very consciuos of the price of products in the supermarket and would never have considered paying £5-6 for a chicken when you could purchase a chicken in the next cabinet for half the price. However, since the programme we have both stated (along with my daughter whom is 17 and also watched the programme) that we will never purchase a battery chicken again (along with eggs). My only concern is that all chicken produce contain battery chickens; for example; chicken nuggets, gougons, sandwich fillings etc, how can we be truly free from using these chickens? (Im afraid I'm not a talented cook!!)
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I agree Suzanna! I scoured my supermarket freezer section for free range chicken nuggets. My daughter is a really bad eater, unfortunately. I cook proper food with vegetables, free range (mostly) meat etc for my partner and I, but I need emergency stock of fish fingers and nuggets in the freezer for her. I tried making my own but they didn't meet with her approval! I'm sure there would be a market for processed free range chicken. We use a bag every 2 months, so cost really wouldn't be an issue and I'd love to be able to stop buying standard chicken altogether.
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processed and reformed meats are made from what they call 'reclaimed meat'. I believe the process includes water blasting eveything off the carcass after it has been stripped of meat and grinding it up with the gristle and skin, mixing it with some form of cereal and making it into shapes. It makes the meat from the intensely farmed chicken look good!
Also for what you buy for about £2 caost them about 5p to make!
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quote: Originally posted by emmag1959:
I agree Suzanna! I scoured my supermarket freezer section for free range chicken nuggets. My daughter is a really bad eater, unfortunately. I cook proper food with vegetables, free range (mostly) meat etc for my partner and I, but I need emergency stock of fish fingers and nuggets in the freezer for her. I tried making my own but they didn't meet with her approval! I'm sure there would be a market for processed free range chicken. We use a bag every 2 months, so cost really wouldn't be an issue and I'd love to be able to stop buying standard chicken altogether.
Sorry I miss read that I had a wonderful mental image of free range veggies frollocking gleefully in the pastures  |
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That sounds an absolutely horrible process, it appears the whole industry needs to be addressed. I shall just try to be more aware of what I purchase.
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I believe that process is that is going to be covered in Jamies Fowl Dinners on Friday.
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As consumers how do we address these issues? Both my husband and myself work full time, neither of us is talented in the kitchen and rely heavily on the supermarkets for good produce. I am a nurse and treat my patients with respect, I give truefull information to the patient at all times. I am the supermarkets customer, why am I not given the same respect? Every time I go shopping I should not have to try to deduce how the product was produced The supermarkets should make it easy for me, with cleare packaging I the customer would have an informed choice.
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Message for Hugh. Chicken Run brought to mind the story of the Catalina flyingboat designer. The problem faced was that it needed floats to prevent it from falling over while afloat. However, when flying the said floats introduced unwanted drag. His solution was to crank the floats up while in the air, to form extension wing tips and thus provide additional lift. Thereby turning a problem into an advantage. My observation is that you want to alleviate suffering inflicted upon a food animal. However, that suffering is a factor related to production costs. Hence, improving welfare adversely affects affordably. However, why not deploy one of our unutilized resources to reduce production costs, while improving creature welfare, and raising the quality of the population’s food supply? This could be done by offering those serving imprisonment for some minor crime, the opportunity of a reduction in sentence. Conditional on the demonstration of genuine application to repaying their debt to Society, through the production of a wholesome and ethical product.
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EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE ALL KNOWN ABOUT THE DREADFUL CONDITIONS THE CHICKEN ARE KEPT IN TO PROVIDE US WITH THEIR MEAT WE ALL CLOSE OUR EYES TO IT. WE WANT TO CONGRATULATE HUGH, JAMIE AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT. AFTER WATCHING HUGHS PROGRAM BOTH MY HUSBAND AND I WILL ONLY EVER BUY FREE-RANGE BIRDS FROM NOW ON. THINK HUGH IS VERY BRAVE TO TRY TO TAKE ON ALL THE LARGE SUPERMARKETS REGARDING THIS ISSUE. WELL DONE ALL OF YOU INVOLVED IN THIS TV SERIES, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. DON`T UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE CAN GET AWAY WITH KEEPING AND REARING CHICKEN IN SUCH A CRUEL WAY THIS CERTAINLY AMOUNTS TO ANIMAL CRUELTY. GOOD LUCK FROM JANE AND CHRIS DE VIGNE
MY HUSBAND AND I BACK HUGH, JAMIE AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT IS TRYING TO GET RID OF THE TERRIBLE CONDITION THAT CHICKEN HAVE TO ENDURE UNTIL THEY ARE SLAUGHTERED FOR FOOD FOR THE PUBLIC. WE JUST HOPE EVERYONE TAKES THIS EXTREMELY SERIOUSLY AS IT DOES AMOUT TO ANIMAL CRUELTY AND I THINK EVERYONE WOULD BE PLEASED WITH THE END RESULT OF FREE-RANGE RANGE CHICKEN WHO HAVE A GOOD LIFE AND THEY TASTE 10 TIMES BETTER THAN FACTORY BIRDS. THANKS HUGH AND JAMIE AND ALL WHO ARE BRINGING THIS TO THE GENERAL PUBLICS NOTICE. ALSO WE THINK YOU AND ANYBODY INVOLVED IN THIS ARE VERY BRAVE TO TAKE ON ALL THE BIGGEST SUPERMARKETS REGARDING THIS ISSUE. WE HAVE A FEW FREE-RANGE BIRDS OURSELVES AND KNOW THEY HAVE A VERY GOOD LIFE. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. YOURS JANE AND CHRIS DE VIGNE
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Having watched all three programs I again applaud Hugh and the team for showing us what goes on and good on Sainsbury for apparently showing the film. You will recall that antibiotics are provided to the non free range birds in their drinking water, what effect might that have on humans? We didnt learn if the same applies to free range, I hope not. Any chickens we raise for eggs or eating never get any medication and they never get sick. The cost of free range should reduce as demand goes up so we now need to make our choices. Lets hope programs like this do make permanent difference to the lives of chickens and us humans. If we eat properly we will live.
So Hugh and the team whats next? I look forward to more.
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quote: Originally posted by Smallholder:
Having watched all three programs I again applaud Hugh and the team for showing us what goes on and good on Sainsbury for apparently showing the film. You will recall that antibiotics are provided to the non free range birds in their drinking water, what effect might that have on humans? We didnt learn if the same applies to free range, I hope not. Any chickens we raise for eggs or eating never get any medication and they never get sick. The cost of free range should reduce as demand goes up so we now need to make our choices. Lets hope programs like this do make permanent difference to the lives of chickens and us humans. If we eat properly we will live longer.
So Hugh and the team whats next? I look forward to more.
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I have changed already !!!
First of all the easy decision, after watching the way tesco's handled the free range chicken sales/fiasco I have decided NEVER to use them for meat again. I instead opted for our local Waitrose as they seemed to be heading in the right direction on the way chickens are bred for comsumption.
I purchased free range eggs and got some free range chicken, NO WAY WILL I EVER BUY ANY CHICKEN THAT IS NOT FREE RANGE ANY MORE !!!!
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One of the things I thought Hugh may mention but if he did I missed it was that a great deal of the chicken used in ready meals and pies etc is imported ( from outside of the EU) or so it seems.
I watched a programme a few weeks ago on TV ( Sorry can't remember which channel) and it appears that the imported chicken or a lot of it( from outside of the EU) is full of anti biotics ( given as a routine to reduce disease risk) and the chicken is possibly susceptable to a form of e-coli which is quite dangerous. The programme mentioned 5000 deaths a year.
No tests were being done for this e-coli when the chicken was imported more out of ignorance than lack of ability.
The programme stopped me buying any ready meals with chicken in them and also the ready cooked chickens.
We desereve to know exactly what we are eating and where it originates thus I tend to buy local and free range wherever possible
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What amazes me is the number of people questioned on Hugh's programme last night who were in the pub with a pint of beer in front of them whilst complaining that they couldn't afford to buy free range chicken because they were on a low income!
Far be it for me to say what people should or shouldn't spend their money on, but suffice to say that I don't earn a lot and I do not have money for luxuries such as drinking in a pub. I do however ensure that the food I buy is of the highest welfare standards (and it really doesn't cost that much more) and would never consider buying meat for my family that wasn't raised to the highest welfare standards. I myself am vegan as I cannot justify using any animal for my benefit, but the rest of my family are not and I would be disgusted if any of them chose to buy meat that wasn't raised to the highest possible standards just because it was cheaper. I think this an extremely poor excuse for anyone to buy cheaply produced meat at a cost to animal welfare. People should be ashamed of themselves and to call us a nation of animal lovers is a joke.
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I have recorded all 3 of these programmes, will they make me cry a lot. I stopped buying cheap unhappy chckens a long time ago. I watched the programmes about where your food comes from it was horrifying.  |
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Just thought I would let you all know, I have just been to my local asda supermarket and all of the free range chickens were sold out!
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bloody marvellous Hugh! loved this programme! i have not brought chicken for a long time but will go free range in the future
starting at Axminster was a challenge for you wasnt it!!!
i loved the way the programme was objective looking at all points of view....
as for the beer swilling whingers in the pub i see their poor wages could stretch to pouring beer down thier necks......? i do not beleive that people are too poor to eat well!!!!...iwe were onthe 'breadline' too but always managed to eat a well balanced diet
i do not care if people say you are using this to feather your own nest (scuse the pun!)..the media is a powerful tool and if you can educate people in this way then its a good thing in my book.....they are more likely to make informed choices in the future
i will support this venture for sure...
love it love it love it..im right behind you buddy!
love purrdyxx
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We normaly buy free range chicken and eggs. They do taste better. However, The program did get us thinking about our takeaway's, like Pizza and we love chinese or anything ready made. We have decided not to eat chicken unless it's free range.
Tesco's and their competators are totaly out of order. Refusing to speak on camera. It's like saying "Shush, don't tell them the public whats going on with these poor birds". In fact it's a disgrace to the whole industry. How dare they try to hide this awfull treatment of these poor birds.
Great program and a real eye opener.
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quote: Originally posted by suzanna b:
As consumers how do we address these issues? Both my husband and myself work full time, neither of us is talented in the kitchen and rely heavily on the supermarkets for good produce. I am a nurse and treat my patients with respect, I give truefull information to the patient at all times. I am the supermarkets customer, why am I not given the same respect? Every time I go shopping I should not have to try to deduce how the product was produced The supermarkets should make it easy for me, with cleare packaging I the customer would have an informed choice.
I think you make an excellent and realistic point. I dont think its about eductating people who live off fags and nuggets anyway or turning people into veggie farmers - its exactly about consumers like you. I too never buy cheap meat and haven't eaten meat in 10 years due to the meat processing industry and frankly I am too busy to spend time figuring out whats in everything when I have two very young children screaming at me in a supermarket. I also chose never to drive to avoid adding to our planets woes and keeping everything local but the kids hate being the only kids walking to nursery. I also have wasted plenty of orgnaic produce on them only to give in and give them some fishfinger or sausage so they have eaten something. I took a moment today as I was buying my cat food to view the ingredients on what I was feeding her and realised that I was feeding her crap. But I definitely cant afford organic cat food! |
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I had a funny feeling that there was more to Hayley's lifestyle than was shown! It's up to her of course what she does with her budget but she was constantly harping on about being a single parent which really has nothing to do with it. She had a really small minded attitude to the whole thing. I felt really sorry for her son when he came out of the shed crying.
I too am a single parent and after seeing this will definitely be doing my best to buy free range from now on, it was a real eye opener.
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its nice to see so many people making informed choices now as to waht they want to eat..wether or not its organic or free range..
i can see a whole about turn coming round.
we were just talking about this today at work...when i was small things like having chicken for dinner was a treat!...today people are shoving copious amounts of food down thier necks and hardly stopping to see where it was prepared or how!!
if we all slowed down a bit took stock of what the hell we were putting into our faces then maybe just maybe there wouldnt be such a problem with obesity in this country! and indeed elsewhere...
my tow sons liked KFC so as a treat we got some..BIG mistake!
it was a disgusting cold greasy slimey mess and has put me off eating out in the future! yes i know its a fast food place etc..i have actualy got my kids to wath this stuff on TV and they are horrified...
i hope to be able to educate them to make informed choices...if they decide to eat greasy bones in batter then thats their problem....as for us at home it will not be tollerated! ugggh!
ok heres a lovely story about a poor chuck that was on his way to the slaughter house
a lorry was making its way through a village in Devon and we were right behind it...as it pulled away form the traffic lights a single white chuck fell out of the side of the lorry!!!
we swerved in .(.rather 'sweeny' like he he he) grabbed the poor animal and took him home..he lived out his days happily raoming the huge garden ..enjoying the veggy patch and all!
he followed our carer at that time everywhere! she was sucha funny old chuck!
chickens are perculiar bird but all in all are lovely animals..i couldnt raise and eat them myself....
ifi fancy chuck i will buy free range from now on..stuff the cost...
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Message for Hugh. Chicken Run brought to mind the story of the Catalina flying boat designer. The problem he faced was that it needed floats to prevent it from falling over while afloat. However, when flying the said floats introduced unwanted drag. His solution was to crank the floats up while in the air, to form extension wing tips and thus provide additional lift. Thereby turning a problem into an advantage. My observation, is that you desire to alleviate suffering inflicted upon a food animal. However, that suffering is a factor related to production costs. Hence, improving welfare adversely affects affordably. However, might it not be possible to capitalize on one of our unutilized resources to reduce production costs, while improving creature welfare, and raising the quality of the population’s food supply? This could be done by offering those serving imprisonment for some minor crime, the opportunity of a reduction in sentence. Conditional on the demonstration of genuine application to repaying their debt to Society, through assisting with the production of a wholesome and ethical product. Deploying a non-profit making, yet also non-subsidized system. The only difficulty I foresee is finding someone possessing the authority to sanction such a scheme. Combined with the ability to organize and continuously monitor it.
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