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quote: Originally posted by Evil ninja bunny: I don't understand why people find Kieron cute, I think he is really ugly!!!  Not a patch on Craig! 
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The priest guy needs a nose job
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quote: Originally posted by Maria01:
Ok i have a question
we all know that Mcdean ended the way it did because Guy was leaving and we all have our no it didnt just end that way moment
but from the point of view of the characters theres been discussion on whose to blame from a characters perspective in general the thought groups split in three
a) Craig had hurt JP so much with the name calling, sarah, going on holiday, engagement that there was no longer any trust in there relationship, JP was full of doubt as to how much was Craig being Craig or John Paul pushing him to be something Craig wasnt. After all John Paul was only 18 and was being expected to give up all to go to Dublin
b)Craig had told his family and friends, turned down Sarah, asked JP to come to Dublin basically come forward steps and bounds in the last week and that JP pushing him into a public kiss was selfish
and the one that i believe
c) for the first time they where both scared, they where only 18. Craig froze not by the PDA that John Paul was actually hurting and that Craig needed to be there for him and not the other way round. John Paul thought he knew what he wanted and Craig didnt know what he was
The relationship was too strong/confusing for both of them. They needed to go and find themselves to be able to understand each other.
In away they where equally to blame, because they couldnt see that love was what mattered and after everything they had been through that it was worth fighting for and being there for each other.
anyway what do the rest of you think?
An excellent question! I certainly think that JP and Craig had a strong connection, yet I think that was also (sadly) overshadowed by the whole 'being gay or not' issue. So there was a lot for a couple of 18-year-olds to deal with, and I don't think that their communication skills were quite up to it. But I have hope - and still think that once they've learnt the lessons that life will no doubt teach them, they'll be perfect for each other. And so it will come to pass. They will be forever as one. Ohhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Member 1 of The Getting Rid of McPriest Club Member 4 of The Darren Osborne Appreciation Club Member 7 of We Love Mike Barnes Club Member 11 of Team Fountain Founder Member of Niall: Sinister-Sexy Club Founder Member of Missing McDean: Team Snowflake |
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quote: Originally posted by *~Princess~*:
The priest guy needs a nose job
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quote: Originally posted by AliCat07: quote: Originally posted by *~Princess~*:
The priest guy needs a nose job
Lol!!
I agree!
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quote: Originally posted by AliCat07: quote: Originally posted by Maria01:
Ok i have a question
we all know that Mcdean ended the way it did because Guy was leaving and we all have our no it didnt just end that way moment
but from the point of view of the characters theres been discussion on whose to blame from a characters perspective in general the thought groups split in three
a) Craig had hurt JP so much with the name calling, sarah, going on holiday, engagement that there was no longer any trust in there relationship, JP was full of doubt as to how much was Craig being Craig or John Paul pushing him to be something Craig wasnt. After all John Paul was only 18 and was being expected to give up all to go to Dublin
b)Craig had told his family and friends, turned down Sarah, asked JP to come to Dublin basically come forward steps and bounds in the last week and that JP pushing him into a public kiss was selfish
and the one that i believe
c) for the first time they where both scared, they where only 18. Craig froze not by the PDA that John Paul was actually hurting and that Craig needed to be there for him and not the other way round. John Paul thought he knew what he wanted and Craig didnt know what he was
The relationship was too strong/confusing for both of them. They needed to go and find themselves to be able to understand each other.
In away they where equally to blame, because they couldnt see that love was what mattered and after everything they had been through that it was worth fighting for and being there for each other.
anyway what do the rest of you think?
An excellent question! I certainly think that JP and Craig had a strong connection, yet I think that was also (sadly) overshadowed by the whole 'being gay or not' issue. So there was a lot for a couple of 18-year-olds to deal with, and I don't think that their communication skills were quite up to it. But I have hope - and still think that once they've learnt the lessons that life will no doubt teach them, they'll be perfect for each other. And so it will come to pass. They will be forever as one. Ohhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Definitely have to agree with you on all that Ali. If they had talked to each other a lot more I reckon they would have probably got everything sorted out and would have been happy in Dublin. I do think they both had their own problems; Craig was trying to deal with his sexuality, and John Paul wanted so much to believe Craig had changed but didn't want to be disappointed after his move to Dublin. They were young and so much in love but they had difficulties talking about their fears and understanding each other's.
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Dannii, I love the song in your signature. Very funny! Lol!
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quote: Originally posted by Dannii...x:
I think that JP overreacted when he heard Craig say that he not nessacerily(sp?) gay because he did still fancy women and jp knew all of this already so why make a big deal now
The writing was inconsistent. On the engagement night JP said to Craig, "I'm sorry I forced you to face up to the fact that you get off on undressing boys as well as girls ..." Yet usually he's saying 'you're either gay or you're not' ! |
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quote: Originally posted by mayflower11111: quote: Originally posted by Dannii...x:
I think that JP overreacted when he heard Craig say that he not nessacerily(sp?) gay because he did still fancy women and jp knew all of this already so why make a big deal now
The writing was inconsistent. On the engagement night JP said to Craig, "I'm sorry I forced you to face up to the fact that you get off on undressing boys as well as girls ..." Yet usually he's saying 'you're either gay or you're not' !
I agree, and Craig did indicate a couple of times post-engagement party reveal that he did not view himself as 'gay' - such as the line about it being about who you fall in love with, and the time in the alley where he said to JP that all this (ie family trouble) wouldn't be happening if you (ie JP) were female. So why did JP not even raise an eyebrow to these comments??? Member 1 of The Getting Rid of McPriest Club Member 4 of The Darren Osborne Appreciation Club Member 7 of We Love Mike Barnes Club Member 11 of Team Fountain Founder Member of Niall: Sinister-Sexy Club Founder Member of Missing McDean: Team Snowflake |
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quote: Originally posted by Evil ninja bunny: quote: Originally posted by AliCat07: quote: Originally posted by *~Princess~*:
The priest guy needs a nose job
Lol!!
I agree!
you guys are cruel, leave his nose alone, its kind of imperfect and cute, like his been boxing and had a little nip, but you can tell the other guy was a lot worse off. it makes him all the more cuter. But yes Craig is definately perfect *goes wobbly at knees thinking of Craig*
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quote: Originally posted by AliCat07: quote: Originally posted by mayflower11111: quote: Originally posted by Dannii...x:
I think that JP overreacted when he heard Craig say that he not nessacerily(sp?) gay because he did still fancy women and jp knew all of this already so why make a big deal now
The writing was inconsistent. On the engagement night JP said to Craig, "I'm sorry I forced you to face up to the fact that you get off on undressing boys as well as girls ..." Yet usually he's saying 'you're either gay or you're not' !
I agree, and Craig did indicate a couple of times post-engagement party reveal that he did not view himself as 'gay' - such as the line about it being about who you fall in love with, and the time in the alley where he said to JP that all this (ie family trouble) wouldn't be happening if you (ie JP) were female. So why did JP not even raise an eyebrow to these comments???
yep your right, JP did overreact to those comments. but did you also notice how Craigs PDA reluctance seemed to extend to even holding John Paul, and telling John Paul he loved him, things that he did in the week leading up to Dublin. it wasnt that Craig wouldnt just kiss him, it was like he looked unconfortable being there with him, and that too me was strange as they where mates after all.
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It seems to me that the writers are not good at writing anti-McDean.  They failed to convince me that JP would really leave Craig at the airport as discussed above, and they are still failing to convince me that JP would go on to embark on a secret affair with a priest with not a thought to the secrecy element of the affair or the lack of integrity of said priest.  And now all this absurdity is just making me laugh, and I wish I wasn't being reduced to laughter when McDean started out as such a good storyline. Member 1 of The Getting Rid of McPriest Club Member 4 of The Darren Osborne Appreciation Club Member 7 of We Love Mike Barnes Club Member 11 of Team Fountain Founder Member of Niall: Sinister-Sexy Club Founder Member of Missing McDean: Team Snowflake |
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quote: Originally posted by Maria01:
yep your right, JP did overreact to those comments. but did you also notice how Craigs PDA reluctance seemed to extend to even holding John Paul, and telling John Paul he loved him, things that he did in the week leading up to Dublin. it wasnt that Craig wouldnt just kiss him, it was like he looked unconfortable being there with him, and that too me was strange as they where mates after all.
Must admit it even annoyed ME a bit that Craig was happy to lovingly hug Jake at the airport yet wouldn't hug JP. As he said 'You can't even bring yourself to hold ME' - after he'd hugged Jake. And why not? I mean as far as the people around them were concerned - which is why Craig wouldn't do it - Jake could have been his boyfriend and JP his brother! Even when they were leaving the village and JP went up to him when Craig arrived, to hug him - and that's all he wanted to do - Craig acted like he'd catch something from him, yet he had been happy to hug Jack and Darren. Course that was obviously intended to give JP something to think about - as he said at the time, if you aren't sure tell me now - and what happened at the airport just put the cap on it. In one way the final episode was annoying in the way they did it. |
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I think the reluctantness to hold JP or touch him was mainly to do with Craig worried about what the general public would think about it. He would be convinced they would know even if they didn't.
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quote: Originally posted by romcomqueen:
I think the reluctantness to hold JP or touch him was mainly to do with Craig worried about what the general public would think about it. He would be convinced they would know even if they didn't.
but that didnt make sense with everything that had happened post reveal... Craig and JP both seemed to go backward at the airport.. like with a lot of people that episode just felt wrong
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quote: Originally posted by Maria01: quote: Originally posted by romcomqueen:
I think the reluctantness to hold JP or touch him was mainly to do with Craig worried about what the general public would think about it. He would be convinced they would know even if they didn't.
but that didnt make sense with everything that had happened post reveal... Craig and JP both seemed to go backward at the airport.. like with a lot of people that episode just felt wrong
If you notice though there are hardly any PDAs between the two of them out in public. The only one we are witness to is the hand-holding under the table and that was under the table. I understand why Craig couldn't hold him. He's still getting used to it all. Having said all this that last episode was not right for me on so many different levels.
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quote: Originally posted by Maria01: quote: Originally posted by romcomqueen:
I think the reluctantness to hold JP or touch him was mainly to do with Craig worried about what the general public would think about it. He would be convinced they would know even if they didn't.
but that didnt make sense with everything that had happened post reveal... Craig and JP both seemed to go backward at the airport.. like with a lot of people that episode just felt wrong
It was wrong fullstop. I can't watch that episode without crying...those boys, that last week and all that love...wasted BTW I'm glad to be back *passes McDean cocktails to all*
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quote: Originally posted by romcomqueen: quote: Originally posted by Maria01: quote:
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bring back Guy Burnet!!