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quote: Originally posted by ChrisFountainLover: I so hope Justin is the father to Becca's baby. They would both make sucha great parents   . Unlike boring husband Jake who wouldnt know how to look after baby or love it like Jusitn would .
You really don't have a clue, do you? Older and "boring" = Bad parent, Young and selfish = Good parent???? As for Justin being mature enough to handle paernthood? Yes, that kiddie tantrum he threw in the middle of the street was a great show of maturity. If Justin had the kind of mautrity it takes to be a parent (to put someone else's needs before your own) he and Becca would have ended ages ago. |
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That is if the world was that black and white,And nobody knows how maturely or not Justin will handle it till the baby comes along,Let's give him a chance before we write him off after all Jake has his immature moments too
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Cushty, Justin has had plenty of opportunities to prove his maturity. He found out about his father and decided that drugs, pushing his stepsister through plate glass and punching his mother in the face were ways to express his emotions. Then when confronted with the mackie situation, did he tell an adult, no. He decided to buy a knife, and we all know what the result of that was. Justin then decides Becca is the object of his desire. While hounding her non-stop, he tried lying to Jake to wreck her wedding (very mature). After Becca gives in, and changes her mind, he storms out of school. He turns to Jake of all people to confide in, and then sees nothing wrong with sleeping with his wife after shaking his hand. After being told what's at stake and how much trouble he could cause Becca, Justin still decides that what he wants is more important than Becca losing her career. In light of both Becca's Dad's and baby Grace's deaths Justin is so mature and supportive, he just goes on and on about what HE wants and what HE needs. That Becca might have needed her family and now that her family and friends need her, Justin can only think of one person, himself. Now I don't think Justin as a character is a bad person, just a typical 16 year old boy. Emotional, impulsive and extremely selfish. That is very normal, and why he isn;t ready for all the burdens of a relationship, let alone fatherhood. It wouldn't be fair to put all that on him. He should be hanging with his mates and playing footie. Not looking to bypass 10 years of his life, which he will surely regret. So Justin being the father would make the story run on and on... but realistically it would be a bad thing for Justin, and worse for Becca. Imagine explaining to the child how mommy and daddy first met. LOL
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Yeah i can see that And it is a good point he is too young for all this But it's the situation he finds himself in I can't wait to see how he handles it,maybe it's just me I'm an old Romantic Becca and Justin love each other and I would like to see the happy ending even though I know it is not likely
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quote: Originally posted by Marvellous1: quote: Originally posted by ChrisFountainLover: I so hope Justin is the father to Becca's baby. They would both make sucha great parents . Unlike boring husband Jake who wouldnt know how to look after baby or love it like Jusitn would .
You really don't have a clue, do you? Older and "boring" = Bad parent, Young and selfish = Good parent???? As for Justin being mature enough to handle paernthood? Yes, that kiddie tantrum he threw in the middle of the street was a great show of maturity. If Justin had the kind of mautrity it takes to be a parent (to put someone else's needs before your own) he and Becca would have ended ages ago.
Why does being upset over having your heart broke equal immaturity? I knew you would be the person who said it was. But guess what, a man in his 30's could react the same way. I've seen it happen. When you're having your heart broken you tend not to think quite so rationally. It has nothing to do with maturity. And young doesn't always mean selfish either. I agree with the other person, i think Justin would be a good father. He has been through a lot and that has made him grow up, he doesn't feel as young as the people his age, he feels older. He connects with people older than him a lot more.
"Out of my mind, ...be back in five minutes. "
"People have the right to be stupid, but some abuse that privilege."
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quote: Originally posted by Marvellous1:
Cushty, Justin has had plenty of opportunities to prove his maturity. He found out about his father and decided that drugs, pushing his stepsister through plate glass and punching his mother in the face were ways to express his emotions. Then when confronted with the mackie situation, did he tell an adult, no. He decided to buy a knife, and we all know what the result of that was. Justin then decides Becca is the object of his desire. While hounding her non-stop, he tried lying to Jake to wreck her wedding (very mature). After Becca gives in, and changes her mind, he storms out of school. He turns to Jake of all people to confide in, and then sees nothing wrong with sleeping with his wife after shaking his hand. After being told what's at stake and how much trouble he could cause Becca, Justin still decides that what he wants is more important than Becca losing her career. In light of both Becca's Dad's and baby Grace's deaths Justin is so mature and supportive, he just goes on and on about what HE wants and what HE needs. That Becca might have needed her family and now that her family and friends need her, Justin can only think of one person, himself. Now I don't think Justin as a character is a bad person, just a typical 16 year old boy. Emotional, impulsive and extremely selfish. That is very normal, and why he isn;t ready for all the burdens of a relationship, let alone fatherhood. It wouldn't be fair to put all that on him. He should be hanging with his mates and playing footie. Not looking to bypass 10 years of his life, which he will surely regret. So Justin being the father would make the story run on and on... but realistically it would be a bad thing for Justin, and worse for Becca. Imagine explaining to the child how mommy and daddy first met. LOL
Are you trying to say that telling an adult about a bully always helps? Always makes things betetr? How about when it makes things ten times worse? I've been there, i know that telling can just make the situation worse. As for what he did after finding out about his dad, did he act reasonabley? No, he didn't. But he just found out his dad killed himself. Would you act incredibly mature in the face of that news? No. Justin fell into a pit of depression when he found that out, drugs and all that stuff were an escape from the reality of what had happened. It can't be called immaturity, because that isn't what it was. It was a way of dealing. Maybe not the best way. But it was the way he dealt with it. If he wasn't mature he wouldn't have come out the other end a better person.
"Out of my mind, ...be back in five minutes. "
"People have the right to be stupid, but some abuse that privilege."
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I'm thinking that Becca will think its Justin but later on something will happen and they need DNA which will prove its Jakes
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I think jutin is alot more mature than his 16 years what he has been through has made him so <Ali HAs said of becca's relationship with him she dosn't see him as 16 but older she feels she conects with him better than Jake and has more i common I think they will make great parents I can't wait for it to unfold
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Jo2005, if you read my words properly and understood them, I said that Justin's actions were normal for that of a 16 year old boy. I just pointed out the facts of Justin's story not looking at hypotyhetical situations in real life. He DID buy a knife and his step brothre ended up dead. The story itself proved that his approach was immature and had a heavy price. He didn't exactly deal with the aftermath in a mature fashion and almost ended up in jail. He wasn't being evil or stupid, just normal. I also just looked at his track record, and gave examples of how he always thinks of himself first and what he wants, no mattter how much trouble or hurt it may cause for others. From his problems before, right up until two deaths that have tested his maturity. That Becca had to beg him for time to tend to her family and now her best friend and her sister shows that he isnt's as mature as you would like to think. If he were, he would understand and back off knowing that bereavement is more important than what he wnats. The boy even called her away from her sister who's needs were greater than his own, without a second thought. All we heard was "what HE needed". Did you not hear what he said. He was angry that Grace died because it spoiled his plans of running away!? Not that a baby dying was a terrible thing and his heart goes out to Tony and Mandy. You know? The people who employ him? The ones who tried to talk some sense into him? The ones who have protected his and Becca's dirty little secret by betraying a good friend of theirs? I don't remember him once putting aside his feelings and express any sorrow about what had happened and what people must be going through. All we saw was him shouting in the streeet without a single thought for what might happen if someone heard him. Again, I don't think Justin's character is bad, but he is extremely selfish/self absorbed as most teenagers tend to be. I can't think of one time he put someone else's happiness ahead of his own and that's a vital part of being a parent.
Becca may not "see" Justin as a 16 year old but that's exactly what he is and what he should be allowed to be. Not forced into the life of someone ten years older because she's not happy with her marriage. Becca has no strength of character which is what has lead her into this mess. She will need it now with what's to come and that means making hard decisions. She has to be more devoted to her baby than anyone else. Will Justin understand that? I don't know. Becca and Justin may have passion and a connection, but they have had a secret, not a relationship up until now. Dealing with the real life part of the "relationship" will sorely test them (as it has already to an extent, which left them squabbling in the street). I don't see a rosey future ahead. Not because I don't want it, but because it's true with the kind of characters they both have.
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Justin to me comes across as someone who doesn't learn from previous experiences. If he had done then he and Becca would probably have finished a long time ago, if only he could see past his impulsive 'here-and-now' decisions. As good as his intentions may be, he quite obviously still has a lot to learn about the world. However I don't think he'll be a BAD father. Becoming a parent often brings out the best in people. I know parents older than him who quite frankly aren't fit to have a child in their care (I know that's a harsh thing to say but it's true). Age isn't the only factor in parenting. Give Justin a chance I say.
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Here here he deserves it ,Age dosn't come in to it and i'm sure he will be determined to prove his doubters wrong that he can be good to becca and the baby
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I'm sorry, but age and experience in life are important factors in having and looking after children. Yes, there are people who are older that are clueless. But again, this is all hpyothetical. Let's look at the THIS story and THIS situation. For starters, remember that this affair is not only immoral, it's ILLEGAL. You can say that Justin may be good to Becca and a baby, but how exactly will he support them? Go to Jake for another job??? If it became public, you know Becca will lose everything careerwise and never be allowed to work with children again. Babies are wonderful things but they take a lot of time, attention and support. Emotionally and financially. Responsible parents would want a secure and stable environment to bring a child into. How exactly will Justin and Becca do this? They have not even been an actual couple yet. All their relationship has consisted of is stolen kisses and cloak and dagger sex meetings. They haven't gotten to know each other properly. All of each other's bad habits and faults. All of the things you discover when living with someone. They will be very lucky if jumping from an affair to family life is successful. Becca herself hasn't proved to be a responsible adult which will have to change in a hurry. That means she should stop lying to Jake and making think he's the luckiest man in the world to have a wife that loves him and achild on the way(which may not be his). Justin hasn't even had a chance yet. Cushty, how exactly has Justin DESERVED the chance of fatherhood? When has he ever proved he's ready for that kind of responsibilty? I'm still waiting for an example of when he's sacrificed his own happiness for someone else's.
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He was prepared toleave his home and family at a drop of a hat without even saying goodbye to them to move away with Becca because she wanted it,And Becca slept with Justin when he was 16 ,16 is the age of consent so she hasn't broken the law
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Cushty, you obviously don't know the laws that prevent sexual, or any kind of relationships between teachers and students under the age of 18. It is in place to protect teachers preying on, harrassing or pressuring students for inappropriate behaviour. Becca has violated this and that is why it has been highlighted in the aftershow info-mercials.
Oh, and running away wasn't Becca's idea, that was Justin's. He wasn't sacrificing his happiness, he was sacrificing Becca's. She loves her family, her friends and the job she worked vrey hard for. He was asking her to throw it all away for him. When she realised she couldn't do it, especially when people needed her(Mandy and Nancy) he wasn't exactly understanding about it. I repeat, he was angry that Grace died because it messed up is plans. He didn't care that people were suffering and needed Becca (Nancy most of all), all he cared about was what HE needed. Now maybe Justin would change if he knew about a baby, but my point is, why should he have to so soon? Justin should be allowed to grow into a man that could support a child emotionally and practically. Right now, he couldn't do either. Becca can barely manage it herself as facing up to things has been a problem for her for a long time.
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quote: Originally posted by Marvellous1:
Cushty, you obviously don't know the laws that prevent sexual, or any kind of relationships between teachers and students under the age of 18. It is in place to protect teachers preying on, harrassing or pressuring students for inappropriate behaviour. Becca has violated this and that is why it has been highlighted in the aftershow info-mercials.
Oh, and running away wasn't Becca's idea, that was Justin's. He wasn't sacrificing his happiness, he was sacrificing Becca's. She loves her family, her friends and the job she worked vrey hard for. He was asking her to throw it all away for him. When she realised she couldn't do it, especially when people needed her(Mandy and Nancy) he wasn't exactly understanding about it. I repeat, he was angry that Grace died because it messed up is plans. He didn't care that people were suffering and needed Becca (Nancy most of all), all he cared about was what HE needed. Now maybe Justin would change if he knew about a baby, but my point is, why should he have to so soon? Justin should be allowed to grow into a man that could support a child emotionally and practically. Right now, he couldn't do either. Becca can barely manage it herself as facing up to things has been a problem for her for a long time.
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maybe But It won't be a happy ending for her and Jake as he is Leaving and As for the Law bit it may be true but it happened at my school nad the teacher was not arrested ,Oh and for they record they are now married and have a 2 year old
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It shouldn't be a happy ending for Becca and Jake because she's been lying to him since before they were married, in that Justin was no threat to their marriage. Becca has also lied to him about wanting children and now about a baby that may not be his. A happy ending is not going to happen.
As for what a teacher at you school did, I said before, this is Hollyoaks and they have a responsibility to show the consequences of such actions as I 'm sure they will. I wouldn't be happy if I had kids and one of teahcers got involved with a student and was allowed to carry on teaching. That law is supposed to prtoect children from ANY dangers, from the teacher you know to Ian Huntley types.
No matter how much you like romnce, you can;t make what Becca's done right. Not morally or legally. Either way, this baby's a mistake and it's not fair to the child to live that way, with Jake or Justin.
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Yeah i admit y,ou are right on that, It's a sad situation for everybody Involved Ultimately nobody will win
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i agree completely iwth marvelous.
wen he finds out becca's best mates baby died under becca's sisters care, then becca ends it, he says...no u dont, u r just not thinking striaght. well excuse me? that was the best thought she had, actually ending a illegal sex fest. then he said that if it wasnt for grace dying, they woulg be happy together. excuse me again? can a little baby help if she dies? well now i am sure grace will be shouting apologies down at u from heaven, for ruining ur little fantasy.
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i think she should have twins, one Jakes and one Justins! and it can happen
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tis posible...but that has happened twice in the world......or is it once....? so i dont think it will be that likely
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quote: Originally posted by Marvellous1:
Jo2005, if you read my words properly and understood them, I said that Justin's actions were normal for that of a 16 year old boy. I just pointed out the facts of Justin's story not looking at hypotyhetical situations in real life. He DID buy a knife and his step brothre ended up dead. The story itself proved that his approach was immature and had a heavy price. He didn't exactly deal with the aftermath in a mature fashion and almost ended up in jail. He wasn't being evil or stupid, just normal. I also just looked at his track record, and gave examples of how he always thinks of himself first and what he wants, no mattter how much trouble or hurt it may cause for others. From his problems before, right up until two deaths that have tested his maturity. That Becca had to beg him for time to tend to her family and now her best friend and her sister shows that he isnt's as mature as you would like to think. If he were, he would understand and back off knowing that bereavement is more important than what he wnats. The boy even called her away from her sister who's needs were greater than his own, without a second thought. All we heard was "what HE needed". Did you not hear what he said. He was angry that Grace died because it spoiled his plans of running away!? Not that a baby dying was a terrible thing and his heart goes out to Tony and Mandy. You know? The people who employ him? The ones who tried to talk some sense into him? The ones who have protected his and Becca's dirty little secret by betraying a good friend of theirs? I don't remember him once putting aside his feelings and express any sorrow about what had happened and what people must be going through. All we saw was him shouting in the streeet without a single thought for what might happen if someone heard him. Again, I don't think Justin's character is bad, but he is extremely selfish/self absorbed as most teenagers tend to be. I can't think of one time he put someone else's happiness ahead of his own and that's a vital part of being a parent.
Becca may not "see" Justin as a 16 year old but that's exactly what he is and what he should be allowed to be. Not forced into the life of someone ten years older because she's not happy with her marriage. Becca has no strength of character which is what has lead her into this mess. She will need it now with what's to come and that means making hard decisions. She has to be more devoted to her baby than anyone else. Will Justin understand that? I don't know. Becca and Justin may have passion and a connection, but they have had a secret, not a relationship up until now. Dealing with the real life part of the "relationship" will sorely test them (as it has already to an extent, which left them squabbling in the street). I don't see a rosey future ahead. Not because I don't want it, but because it's true with the kind of characters they both have.
His actions were reasonable for someone of any age. You cannot determine how a person will act or react to someone based completely on their age. He isn't just thinking about himself, he's thinking of Becca's happiness. He could see she wasn't happy, he wants her to be happy. And yes he believes that he can make her happy. He's has a romanticised vision yes, but that's not always immaturity. Some people just like the romanticised vision much better and aim to make life that way. As for needing to beg him for time to be with her family, she didn't have to ebg him. But he wanted to support her. He knew what she was going through, he understood how she was feeling and wanted to be there for her. If he thought only of himself, he would have tried to stop her. He would have texted her constantly. He didn't | |
