We've had differnt characters doing differnt drugs for some weeks now and it seemed like there was going to be a moral message coming sometime about drug taking. That is how these storylines normally pan out, but nothing seems to be happening in Hollyoaks along those lines. All we have are characters being really into doing drugs and enjoying it. Doing drugs in Hollyoaks village is becoming like having a pint of beer in The Dog pub - just an ordinary thing to do. Is this ever going to lead somewhere, do we know?
Maybe either Fletch or Sasha will die as a result of an overdose. The storyline will probably be that they start doing harder drugs and get addicted, until one of them has an OD.
Hopefully the storyline will hurry up. It's really, really boring.
I don't know if it will, but I think it should. They should do something to show everyone that drugs are really bad and you shouldn't get into them, like kill someone. I can imagine them having Josh try some, to try and be cool and get his friends to like him again, and then die.
Originally posted by ***star_girl***: I don't know if it will, but I think it should. They should do something to show everyone that drugs are really bad and you shouldn't get into them, like kill someone. I can imagine them having Josh try some, to try and be cool and get his friends to like him again, and then die.
Certainly not with this stupid storyline with Sacha and Fletch. Good who lame this is, totally irrelevant and shows how badly Deadwood and his incompetant scriptwriters are handling things on Hollyoaks.
It only being done because they are running out of idea's and the stupidest thing is the characters involved. Has Deadwood forgotten what happened when Calvin found Justin's stash and Sacha claimed it was hers, the lecture Calvin gave her about it and the dangers of taking drugs. Are we meant to believe Sacha has suddenly had a brain bypass and is now doing drugs for the sake of it because she feels pressured by lardyboy Fletch into taking drugs.
The sooner Deadwood goes and the- get a real producer - and not a jumped up scriptwriter - to run Hollyoaks the better as Deadwood will eventually kill Hollyoaks if he is allowed to continue this was and put ridiculous and lame storylines like this in.
If they wanted to do a decent drugs storyline - and given they recycle storyline ideas, then they should have gone back to when Hollyoaks first did drug storylines. Show a character dying through taking drugs that are not pure and mixed with junk like they did with Natasha. Show someone getting hooked truely on drugs, the decline and learning to deal with addiction - though preferably with a cast member that can act like they had with the Lucy Benson storyline. And not the five minute boot camp cure Boreton had.
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Odinlord. Interesting what you say but I wonder whether having a producer who is not really skilled beyond being a writer (as you say) is necessarily a handicap. There have been some really good storylines that he has overseen, and as the storylines are (obviously) written by writers and not producers then it is the quality of the writing, and the ideas, that come from the writing room which need to be adressed. All he would have is the final say in what they agree to run with or not. Surely they would need to employ higher calibre writers to get better stories, than to employ better producers.
You say that but look at the anorexia storyline. That did not come up straight away, it bubbled in the corner for a long time with other storylines intertwining with it. That is what is most likely to happen here.
Originally posted by maxwell44: Odinlord. Interesting what you say but I wonder whether having a producer who is not really skilled beyond being a writer (as you say) is necessarily a handicap. There have been some really good storylines that he has overseen, and as the storylines are (obviously) written by writers and not producers then it is the quality of the writing, and the ideas, that come from the writing room which need to be adressed. All he would have is the final say in what they agree to run with or not. Surely they would need to employ higher calibre writers to get better stories, than to employ better producers.
Deadwood would tend to see storylines from a scriptwriters eye more than say a producer who has had experience directing like Jo Hallows. or long term success like Phil Redmond who built up his career over a long time before he founded Mersey TV. Like any new broom, Deadwood is trying to stamp his own identity on Hollyoaks rather than continue the successful formula it had place. Also a lot of early storylines he had, had were inherited from long term storylines that were already in place.
I don't rate Deadwood or his handling of Hollyoaks at all well, and he could very well be the death of Hollyoaks in the long term if he carries on this way with dull and stupid plots, and rehashing ideas just for the sake of it rather than dealing with new issues or showing originality.
This storyline of Simple Sacha and Lardyboy Fletch is one of those storylines that reeks of incompetance. Are we really going to believe Sacha would do drugs in the first place, especially with a brother who is a policeman. Also all that trouble of Justin's stash being found by Calvin and Sacha claiming it was hers. And also all the anti-drug warnings out there as well. I cannot see it.
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I think it'll head down the direction of Josh going on them to get back his friends, and then I reckon he'll be the one to get addicted or die from an overdose, thus scaring Fletch and Sasha off the drugs for good.
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Thanks for your replies. I think the differnce between this drugs storyline and the anorexia one is that it's unlikely anyone watching the stuff with Hannah would start doing the things she did (pretending to eat but hiding the food, sometimes actually binging, starving herself, etc). This is obviously not something someone will see and think "I'll try that". However, seeing people on the show doing drugs - and with it going on much much longer than these things normally do without some 'incident' occuring - may make some young'uns watching think "I'll try that".
This story really doesn't seem to be going anywhere. It's like they've just brought drugs into the show as a thing the characters do in their free time - same as having a beer in the pub (as I said earlier). It's werid that a show which has never even discussed smoking, never mind shown anyone with a cigarette, now has joints burning in ashtrays while people watch TV or snog on the sofa. Weird!
And Odinlord, there is certainly a danger that endless naff storylines can kill a show off. Look at Brookside, for example. Have a look on Wikipedia and read about how Brookside gradually fell to pieces and lost it's audience and was then axed. It is documentated in detail on there - and so many of the storylines responsible, and the fact it was obvious things were wrong but the people in charge did nothing to put it right, is very interesting to read about.
I know what you are talking about with Brookside. The same went for Grange Hill when they moved it away from London and to Lime Pictures. Now it's getting axed all because of a regime change at the BBC and the new people in charge wanting to impose their own mark of children's TV.
I feel the same will happen to Hollyoaks if Deadwood is allow to continue. Hollyoaks had a broad range of appeal to both male and female viewers, but Deadwood want's another The O.C or One Tree Hill with Hollyoaks now. How many males will that appeal to apart from those schoolboys who lust over some of the female cast.
It's interesting the ratings haven't improved as Lime Pictures fiddles the figures to make it Hollyoaks look good. The ratings now are not very much different to what they were before Channel 4 + 1 came on air. But now those that calculate the ratings like BARB add the Channel 4 to Channel 4 + 1 ratings to come up with a total.
For me they should get a producer in who would have continued on what made Hollyoaks good and not what their own vision of what Hollyoaks should be . That producer would have recognised the audience it had and built on that rather than try and pander to a more fickle and minority audience of schoolgirls. Instead Tony Wood and Carolyn Reynolds brought in Deadwood and Daran Little from Coronation Street, and look what we have from them. The joke with was the Ben and Lisa smugfest and Hollyoaks which has vastly different viewing figures across the week.
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Is there a point to the drug storylines ? yes to bore us sensless I wished that Fletch & Sasha could actually act better because it would have made this storyline much better and I actually used to like Fletch now I wish he would just get lost but no on the programme Lost because I love that
Originally posted by Odinlord: I know what you are talking about with Brookside. The same went for Grange Hill when they moved it away from London and to Lime Pictures. Now it's getting axed all because of a regime change at the BBC and the new people in charge wanting to impose their own mark of children's TV.
I feel the same will happen to Hollyoaks if Deadwood is allow to continue. Hollyoaks had a broad range of appeal to both male and female viewers, but Deadwood want's another The O.C or One Tree Hill with Hollyoaks now. How many males will that appeal to apart from those schoolboys who lust over some of the female cast.
It's interesting the ratings haven't improved as Lime Pictures fiddles the figures to make it Hollyoaks look good. The ratings now are not very much different to what they were before Channel 4 + 1 came on air. But now those that calculate the ratings like BARB add the Channel 4 to Channel 4 + 1 ratings to come up with a total.
For me they should get a producer in who would have continued on what made Hollyoaks good and not what their own vision of what Hollyoaks should be . That producer would have recognised the audience it had and built on that rather than try and pander to a more fickle and minority audience of schoolgirls. Instead Tony Wood and Carolyn Reynolds brought in Deadwood and Daran Little from Coronation Street, and look what we have from them. The joke with was the Ben and Lisa smugfest and Hollyoaks which has vastly different viewing figures across the week.
What/who should Hollyoaks be aiming at? What were its intrinsic qualities in the early days? I remember viewing it as somewhat of a joke around the turn of the century - now it seems a lot more substantial. Who would you appoint to impart its original ethos? And would this be valid now?
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HO cant win - if a storyline moves on it isnt real enough as it is moving to fast when its slow burning its not real enough as it is deemed boring.
I think it will continue - give it a chance its hardly started yet
plus odinlord do you have to have a go at actors so viciously?
granted most of the time you have good points about storylines (although i dont agree on this occasion) but simple sasha, boreton and lardyboy fletch are below the belt.
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Originally posted by higgi123: HO cant win - if a storyline moves on it isnt real enough as it is moving to fast when its slow burning its not real enough as it is deemed boring.
I think it will continue - give it a chance its hardly started yet
plus odinlord do you have to have a go at actors so viciously?
granted most of the time you have good points about storylines (although i dont agree on this occasion) but simple sasha, boreton and lardyboy fletch are below the belt.
The references to Lardyboy Fletch and Simple Sacha are a comment on the characters, two of the worst to be given any storyline which makes the storyline worse.
Hollyoaks have done far better anti drugs storylines in the past with Natasha Anderson dying as a result of her drink being spiked, and with Lucy Benson's slow decent into drug addiction and managing to control her addiction. A storyline which took some years for to conclude. That's how to write storylines but under Deadwood and his incompetant scriptwriters they hurry storylines and then drop them, or end them in an unreal way, such as Tony finding out he has a son. Then all of a sudden not wanting anything to do with him on Jacqui's say so.
As for Boreton then Chris Fountain has all the on screen presence of a plank of wood. Very limited ability to act anything with real conviction. Is over hyped and well past his sell by date on Hollyoaks, and no doubt to affraid to leave Hollyoaks as he knows full well that even with the exposure he is getting on Dancing on Ice his agents phone isn't ringing off the hook because those who might wish to cast him as seeing exactly the same things I and other not biased towards him see.
But there are actors/actresses I do like and think are good. Kevin Sacre is doing an excellent job portraying Jake at the moment, Nick Pickard is good, as are Claire Cooper, Carley Stenson, Helen Pearson, Matt Littler, Darren Jeffries and even Ellis Hollins.
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