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so it was

ben tait
amanda kenny
ermmmmm
cant remember the names of the others .
 
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just because youve been on it doesnt make your views on it more valid .


In fairness, it probably does actually
 
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not really , since now its family . and poppy was in one where it was just brats .
and in poppys didnt they have to go through stages like mouse ?
whereas in this one it was tasks used at the time they were relevant
 
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and in the one with mouse , you could be sent down to mouse again as a punishment .

whereas all of the parents spent ages alone in this one not as a punishment but so they could think .

there are differences between series . and this ones main difference was involving the whole family .
 
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a thing i'd loike to add

- different perspectives . both opinions are equal as neither knows it from both perspectives . so har .
 
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i was shocked that she said shed been assalted , what a horrid lie


That show the difference between her parents and all to many parents.

They believed in their daughter and took her out when they heard her claim about assault. Whatever the claim were correct or not, they showed a kind of love and compassion, you could only envy them.

All to many children does get hurt in those wilderness therapies due to neglection of their claims. They die from thirst and sickness while we see it as an act of manipulation.

If I ever were so point-blank stupid that I send my child to wilderness therapy, I would rather pull my child out 20 times based on a lie, than leave him just one with the risk of my child ending up dead!


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I found the end with Julia depressing. Seeing her go from the desert back to the rainy beach in grey England was sad.
 
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i was shocked that she said shed been assalted , what a horrid lie


That show the difference between her parents and all to many parents.

They believed in their daughter and took her out when they heard her claim about assault. Whatever the claim were correct or not, they showed a kind of love and compassion, you could only envy them.

All to many children does get hurt in those wilderness therapies due to neglection of their claims. They die from thirst and sickness while we see it as an act of manipulation.

If I ever were so point-blank stupid that I send my child to wilderness therapy, I would rather pull my child out 20 times based on a lie, than leave him just one with the risk of my child ending up dead!
For goodness sake. Did any of the kids in the UK series end up in worse trouble then before they went? NO! As for "dead", behave yourself!

Sometimes it worked, other times it didn't. When faced with knowing your child will end up locked up or dead then applying to this series makes real sense.

I cannot comment on Denmark...the way you portray it means it must be perfect, but then Brat Camp doesn't deal with Danish kids, (yet).
I am so tired of people like you posting things in this forum and others, (and yes, I have checked, you post elsewhere too), and bringing up incidences in other, less well intentioned establishments, making out that they are all bad.

My child is now a happy, stable person because of Brat Camp. Accept it and stick to commenting on things you have first hand, (real), knowledge of.
 
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Your children were in a unique position compared to other children participating in such programs. The cameras protected them. They were a part of a show, not the real thing. Read this paper from Redcliff Ascent. http://www.redcliffascent.com/pdf/cameras.pdf. The instructors had to restrain themselves and think about what they said and did on camera. That is why they did not want to do it again.

There are also video-clip on this page from a watch organisation, which tells of the painful techniques, they use on “sitters” in order to get them up and continue their hiking.
http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=102&Itemid=2 (Cafety is a watch organisation).

If a mom in your country sees the program and send her own child to such a program and there are a lot of them regulated or unregulated, the child would be in risk. Just look at this old article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/yorkslincs/series2/bootc...ille_behaviour.shtml. This program was shot down the Mexican government due to child abuse. If you question this, contact http://www.caica.org/ (Another watch organisation). Children from your country have been molested and it is a question of time before an English child would die over there. Your children are not immortal. Americans children die from starvation, thirst, and wrong use of restraint in such programs every year.

Yes, I do post in other forums too. Like many parents I fight child abuse where I find it. And child abuse is going on in the programs used for the show outside the camera lens.

Currently I have offered advise to a mom, who has a stepson, who had been abducted against his own and his fathers will to Redcliff. They did turn up with a court order ordering the release of the child, but Redcliff declined because it was a court order from the boy’s home state and not Utah. The poor boy, which were a normal boy with no issues now suffers from violent reactions as result of being dragged out of his own bed in the middle of the night by strange men (Teen escort company) at his real mothers place while he were visiting her. His mother and her husband are strongly believers in a far right Christian movement. They were not satisfied with the way of living, the boy was living at his father’s place and bought a firm to handcuff the boy and take him to Redcliff.

And that is how business normally is conduct. Brat Camp as a show is quite different than the real life. They are in business for money. They do not care whether the child fits in the program. They sell their product as an all fix for whatever problem a child can have. Whether it is illness like drug- or alcohol-abuse or handicaps as dyslexia, depression or just poorly upbringing, which result in anger issues, they do not care. They do not care if one of the parents disagree and they tie all kind of legal measures in order to avoid sending children back they have kept against the wish of a the parent, which hold the custody.

Brat camp is a show, but not a reality show. If converting the real thing into a show brings good result, I am happy on your behalf. Perhaps, the managers of the program should think about whether cameras in the field would mean better results and less abuse.


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Denmark
 
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Yobs are cool!
 
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someone i know is going to a real brat camp .
 
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someone i know is going to a real brat camp .


The parents should check http://fornits.com/wwf/

Most of the programs are discussed there.


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Denmark
 
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