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I know these guys all go home apparently cured and all but do they actually stay like that? I haven't seen the other series but do they do a sort of what happened a year on thing? Cos it's all very well for them to say they will change but when they get back to their home enviroment it may all go to pot (literally!!)
 
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yeah u do, there was a 1 year after 4 the 1st series people, on the 2nd series n we are on for a 2 year on thingi sumtime on e4 straight after one of these episodes i dnt know wot date tho.
 
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The last episode in the current series is an update of the kids that featured on series 2.
 
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The follow up for the 1st series is on the 8th march on E4. Brat Camp is a life changing experience and it makes you look on your life in a different view but as i've mentioned before it is NOT a complete cure.
 
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Not a complete cure, true. But it certainly gives these kids a damn good chance of changing things. The most vital thing is the support that families and the young person themselves get when they return home. If that isn't there and they are dumped back into the same environment it's a tough situation. The only hope is that the skills they have learnt will help them survive and change their life chances.
 
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It would be nice to see a parent camp run along side brat camp. If anything so they can provide the proper support when their kids get back and not make the same mistakes that helped their kids reach breaking point.
 
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The parents did go out to the camp and spent several days doing family therapy. They also had parenting courses and homework on family dynamics to complete. There is also an expectation that the families continue with therapy (where finance/access allows) once they return to the UK. The show doesn't show much of this but that's probably because a lot of it is sensitive/confidential information.

By the way ... I don't consider I made a lot of mistakes as a parent - in fact I consider myself a very good mum. Some kids don't encounter issues just because of their parenting. Remember ALL the kids on the show had siblings who were living normal lives, not taking drugs and not acting out.

Parenting isn't a factory - kids don't end up as perfectly formed adults just because of how you've parented them. It's how they deal with life's challenges that makes or breaks them - all you can do is try to instill good morals,good self-esteem and your expectations of their behaviour in the outside world.
 
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did anyone watch the american version, there was a kid on there that went home and went straight back to how he was beofre the camp.


*Noah Wyle!!*

*+~*Greenwing Rules*~+*

 
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There was a really interesting article in the Times about these kids post-Brat Camp...
*goes off to try and find it*
The site is down atm, I'll try again later.


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extract from said article
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Back in Blighty, one month after returning (not nearly long enough for us to know if it really worked), it is debatable whether the outcomes exemplify the success rate, which is said to be 85 per cent. In the case of Julia, her mother says she has not changed. Georgie is still tempted by drugs and her mother’s response is to sell her house to pay for her daughter to spend a whole year at Aspen — which is not an unqualified triumph.

Rosie has taken up marathon running but her ambition to return to Aspen and train as an instructor might suggest that she is merely displacing her demons and hoping to control them in other teenagers. Shit-shovelling Lucy has also identified with her guards — she wants to join the navy or the police; arguably, she is addicted to environments in which she is controlled by strict authority.

These last two outcomes are in accord with the scientific evidence that predicts that such regimes will fail: physically forcing or blackmailing children to comply will repeat the authoritarian parenting that is often the cause of the misbehaviour in the first place.
 
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Back in Blighty, one month after returning (not nearly long enough for us to know if it really worked), it is debatable whether the outcomes exemplify the success rate, which is said to be 85 per cent. In the case of Julia, her mother says she has not changed. Georgie is still tempted by drugs and her mother’s response is to sell her house to pay for her daughter to spend a whole year at Aspen — which is not an unqualified triumph.

Rosie has taken up marathon running but her ambition to return to Aspen and train as an instructor might suggest that she is merely displacing her demons and hoping to control them in other teenagers. Shit-shovelling Lucy has also identified with her guards — she wants to join the navy or the police; arguably, she is addicted to environments in which she is controlled by strict authority.

These last two outcomes are in accord with the scientific evidence that predicts that such regimes will fail: physically forcing or blackmailing children to comply will repeat the authoritarian parenting that is often the cause of the misbehaviour in the first place.


Reading that article made me feel so mad! This man knows nothing of the chilren that were featured nor the many achievements and successes they have gained since their return home. Every single one of these girls have made, in some shape or form, a change to their lives for the better. They have chosen to do this for themselves. No-one bullied or blackmailed them at Aspen, nor are they being blackmailed or bullied now. I wish this so called academic would get off his high fulleting horse and get into the real world! I am not arguing that these types of therapeutic academies work for everyone - only that in the case of BC3 girls - it has made a difference. I am certainly delighted with the progress my daughter has made.
 
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well I'm glad you're happy with the results so far but I can't believe you don't see the methods employed in aspen involve physically forcing and blackmailing the children into compliance.
It will be interesting to see the results within a year but remember that the initial results are not promising, as the article said, Julia's mother didn't see a change and Georgie's having drug temptations.
Personally I think even thinking about selling a house to pay for a year to send her daughter back to a scheme that failed is absolute insanity.
This "so called academic" has made some valid points about BC and society as a whole.
 
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I don't know about the 'scientific evidence' referred to in this article but I would suggest you watch tonights update of series 2 and see what you reckon to the results a year on.
 
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here's a few abstracts off hand, if you have access you can read the entire journal. An athens account should allow you to access most of them

study suggest that authoritarian parenting attitudes expressed by mothers may be of significance in the development of conduct problems.
http://www.springerlink.com/(tojd4r55001oiiuwv0ibqpag)/...onresults,1:101490,1

relationship between anger/frustration and parenting styles
http://content.apa.org/journals/dev/40/3/352

Relationship between parenting styles and school grades
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retri...&itool=pubmed_docsum

evidence supporting an authoritive parenting method and links between parenting style and substance abuse
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retri...&itool=pubmed_docsum

more support for authoritive parenting
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retri...&itool=pubmed_docsum

relationship between self esteem & education and future parenting style
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retri...&itool=pubmed_docsum

poor scores for children with authoritarian and unengaged parents with regards to academic sucess and substance use
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retri...&itool=pubmed_DocSum

plenty of evidence around supporting an authoritive parenting attitude over an authoritarian attitude.
 
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As I said, the follow ups should be of interest. We will see.
 
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Well?
 
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Didn't watch it, was working on writing up some research.
Regardless, Brat Camp is hardly a reliable source of information as has been proven many times over on this forum.
 
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I would have thought that someone so keen to make comments on the show and question whether it works long term would at least have watched the follow up!
 
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I would have thought that someone so keen to make comments on the show and question whether it works long term would at least have watched the follow up!

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Brat Camp is hardly a reliable source of information as has been proven many times over on this forum.

also didn't watch series 2 so I'm not familiar with the kids.
 
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