I beleive it is on in march or april a girl woh lives a few miles away went to the desert, and she hasnt changed one bit, her parents are considering sending her back but they have to get her on the plane the spoilt brat she needs a kick up the rear, they think they let her come home too soonm stupidly her mum thought she would be improved, they were there at the end of last year and the mother never shuts up about it!!! arghhh
no its not amy The new show is nw going to be shown in June the girls mum has tried unsuccesfully to get the show stopped as if they would ever cancel it just coz shes embarrassed, lol
Jojo71 - I'm having severe bratty withdrawl symptoms, do you hav any other info on the new prog in June? It was a family one, yeah, in the desert, and...
Originally posted by jojo71: I beleive it is on in march or april a girl woh lives a few miles away went to the desert, and she hasnt changed one bit, her parents are considering sending her back but they have to get her on the plane the spoilt brat she needs a kick up the rear, they think they let her come home too soonm stupidly her mum thought she would be improved, they were there at the end of last year and the mother never shuts up about it!!! arghhh
I know this family ,Del is one of the nicest people you could ever wish to meet and so is her husband.She has never had any wish to stop the programme. She has 3 sons who have all been to university and are all decent hard working people.Del has tremendous love for all her family and that is why she agreed to do Brat Camp to hopefully enable her daughter to have a good life and respect others and change her ways. As you say it was not a success .Maybe when her daughter grows up she will see the sacrifices her parents have made for her and realise how much she is loved but untill then there is no doubt she will continue to be a Brat
That is exact the point. Most children grow out of it. They mature.
It does not mean that you as a parent should not do anything, but it means that you should focus on your child and take it somewhere from time to time, where you can talk without being interrupted by Television, mobile phone or internet. It would certainly take care of the most of the stuff, they sometime do.
There should not be any need to send children off to one of those two countries, which has not signed the UN declaration of the right of a child. Solutions should be at hand in your own country. That is where you have to start. Is it not labeling your own child welfare system as a failure entirely, when you as a parent choose to banish them to another continent?
Originally posted by C.Overgaard: That is exact the point. Most children grow out of it. They mature.
It does not mean that you as a parent should not do anything, but it means that you should focus on your child and take it somewhere from time to time, where you can talk without being interrupted by Television, mobile phone or internet. It would certainly take care of the most of the stuff, they sometime do.
There should not be any need to send children off to one of those two countries, which has not signed the UN declaration of the right of a child. Solutions should be at hand in your own country. That is where you have to start. Is it not labeling your own child welfare system as a failure entirely, when you as a parent choose to banish them to another continent?
Sometimes desperate measures are needed The child in question certainly was not banished to a foreign land, she agreed to go with her mother to try and get herself sorted out as she knew she was going down the wrong road.You can take a horse to water but you cannot make it drink and when a stubborn 16 year old makes her mind up not to listen ,you cannot make it happen She has put her parents through ablolute hell,and no ammount of talking has made any difference. These people have only ever done their very best for all 4 of their children.
Originally posted by jojo71: I beleive it is on in march or april a girl woh lives a few miles away went to the desert, and she hasnt changed one bit, her parents are considering sending her back but they have to get her on the plane the spoilt brat she needs a kick up the rear, they think they let her come home too soonm stupidly her mum thought she would be improved, they were there at the end of last year and the mother never shuts up about it!!! arghhh
I know this family ,Del is one of the nicest people you could ever wish to meet and so is her husband.She has never had any wish to stop the programme. She has 3 sons who have all been to university and are all decent hard working people.Del has tremendous love for all her family and that is why she agreed to do Brat Camp to hopefully enable her daughter to have a good life and respect others and change her ways. As you say it was not a success .Maybe when her daughter grows up she will see the sacrifices her parents have made for her and realise how much she is loved but untill then there is no doubt she will continue to be a Brat
How naive! Click onto the Anasazi site to be enlightened as to how this programme is run, then decide if this young girl is safer in the Arizona Desert or Wakefield. If C4 were to show their unedited filming i believe you would then see who suffered greatest hardship the "brats" or their Mothers. This extremely closeknit family have been ripped apart to put it mildly, all due to the behaviour of this young girl. All parents at some time make mistakes and then wish they had handled things differently. These parents did everything with the very best intentions in the world to give their family the very best upbringing and start in life they could possibly wish for. The astounding sucesses of the 3 siblings proves this. Hopefully the 16 years background with all the love and caring this girl has been given will also prove itself in the future. Don't make judgement about someone you don't even know, I do, and have the utmost respect and admiration for all this family. Time will tell.
Their normal program is certainly not runned in a good way. It is about a fixation of food, food and nothing more. I have these two quotes from an article about wilderness therapy:
--- Cheri, Angie, and another teenager named Annie are seven weeks into the $15,000 wilderness course run by the Anasazi Foundation. Like most kids who wind up in such programs, they're here for the typical sins of adolescence: drinking, drugs, sex, shoplifting. "To get me here, my parents kidnapped me," complains Cheri, a petite 16-year-old from Boston. "It was sick." --- and --- The Anasazi students I met looked healthy, but food monopolized their fantasies. ---
Does not sound safe to me.
But that is their normal program. BC5 will be different because the camera is there. That is my point. All BC has been a light version of the normal treatment. You can find people on the net everywhere, who can tell of nightmares from treatment in those programs, which were used in BC, which last for decades. That is the real danger: If viewer sees the show and decides to send the child to the states hoping to find what they shows the viewers.
Originally posted by C.Overgaard: Their normal program is certainly not runned in a good way. It is about a fixation of food, food and nothing more. I have these two quotes from an article about wilderness therapy:
--- Cheri, Angie, and another teenager named Annie are seven weeks into the $15,000 wilderness course run by the Anasazi Foundation. Like most kids who wind up in such programs, they're here for the typical sins of adolescence: drinking, drugs, sex, shoplifting. "To get me here, my parents kidnapped me," complains Cheri, a petite 16-year-old from Boston. "It was sick." --- and --- The Anasazi students I met looked healthy, but food monopolized their fantasies. ---
Does not sound safe to me.
But that is their normal program. BC5 will be different because the camera is there. That is my point. All BC has been a light version of the normal treatment. You can find people on the net everywhere, who can tell of nightmares from treatment in those programs, which were used in BC, which last for decades. That is the real danger: If viewer sees the show and decides to send the child to the states hoping to find what they shows the viewers.
I believe all parents should do their homework regarding anywhere they send their kids.I also believe that thinking about food food food as you put it, is infinately better than thinking where the next fag or can or fix is coming from.I think perhaps it would be fair to have some quotes from parents as well.So have we to believe it is acceptable for teenagers to drink smoke and take drugs and also have underage sex?Personally i don't think this is "the norm".Most kids experiment, it is part of growing up,but for many it is a way of life and if taking them to Anasazi helps to get them back on track, it is worth a try ,even if it doesn't work.It is the verbal abuse, the swearing ,the dropping out of school, and total disrepect of the parents and anyone in authority that is so worrying.These teens believe they are totaly unexceptionable, and the poor unfortunate parents are left heartbroken seeing their beloved child ruining their life
Originally posted by listener: How naive! Click onto the Anasazi site to be enlightened as to how this programme is run, then decide if this young girl is safer in the Arizona Desert or Wakefield. If C4 were to show their unedited filming i believe you would then see who suffered greatest hardship the "brats" or their Mothers. This extremely closeknit family have been ripped apart to put it mildly, all due to the behaviour of this young girl. All parents at some time make mistakes and then wish they had handled things differently. These parents did everything with the very best intentions in the world to give their family the very best upbringing and start in life they could possibly wish for. The astounding sucesses of the 3 siblings proves this. Hopefully the 16 years background with all the love and caring this girl has been given will also prove itself in the future. Don't make judgement about someone you don't even know, I do, and have the utmost respect and admiration for all this family. Time will tell.
how do you know I dont know her! I said I didnt know the daughters name thats all
Originally posted by willwills: I believe all parents should do their homework regarding anywhere they send their kids.I also believe that thinking about food food food as you put it, is infinately better than thinking where the next fag or can or fix is coming from.I think perhaps it would be fair to have some quotes from parents as well.So have we to believe it is acceptable for teenagers to drink smoke and take drugs and also have underage sex?Personally i don't think this is "the norm".Most kids experiment, it is part of growing up,but for many it is a way of life and if taking them to Anasazi helps to get them back on track, it is worth a try ,even if it doesn't work.It is the verbal abuse, the swearing ,the dropping out of school, and total disrepect of the parents and anyone in authority that is so worrying.These teens believe they are totaly unexceptionable, and the poor unfortunate parents are left heartbroken seeing their beloved child ruining their life
Do you not have treatment inside your country? In fact wilderness therapy was invented in Wales during WWII and exported to the states. It does seem a little overkill to banish them to another country if any - ANY - kind treatment is at hand in your own country.
Think about the cultural difference. American treatment is about breaking them down and force them to love their parents again. Sometime they goes to the edge and sometimes over, which is where the children starts to die. What if a child comes to the camp drugged and can not measure how much he or she has to eat each day to make his food last?
-- From the article -- Students march hard, sleep on rocky ground, and once a week receive a 15-pound food bag containing staples like cornmeal, flour, and lentils. The daily ration of 2,000 calories is extremely lean, and if a kid consumes it early in the week, he or she has to subsist on wild plants, lizards, and bugs. -- It is not all children who can survive like that.
Then there are the parents. This year the show is only 3 weeks long, where the normal time it takes to break down a child is about 60 days. Why is it so short? Remember last year. Some parents can not stand it for 60 days so they pull their family. Why put children through conditions a grown up person can not take?
Should treatment not be in an environment a parent can endure for the entire time? Those children are prisoners out there and they are not even convicted for a crime.
I don't think we will ever agree on the subject of brat camp. You obviously have very different oppinions to myself .Children die in this country regularly from drug overdoses etc .Parents that care do all they can to prevent this happening to their child and if that includes the walking therapy at Anasazi then so be it
Some points before people think i'm flippant... 1. Every problem situation is unique and will remain difficult to comment on accurately. 2. Not every parent, however committed, is equipped to deal with a situation that demands professional intervention. 3. The places running 'Camps' don't claim to run 'cure-all' courses. 4. If we look hard enough horror stories will always surface. 5. Some people lie. 6. Some abuse their position. 7. It may be a cliche but, 'We don't know 'cos we weren't there.' 8. Not everyone matures and grows out of it. That's why our prisons are full. 9. ...and finally, its curious that ALL the girls on Brat Camp 3 said they had no regrets about going to Utah, in fact some wanted to go back. Interesting, that one...
