so state who ya talkin about - and it's how you say it and that u want to say it, that's the worrying part. If u don't like the girl...

I did state who I was talking about but it would seem that someone is deleting any posts mentioning lydia and her new occupation. Guess we can't have any result other than the dreamy 'brat camp fixed everything' outcome here.
And as for lydia, I do like the girl, and feel that she's been given a hard start in life. It's the parents, who seem to be more worried about how people view them (instead of worried about their daughter) and the 'she's all better after going to aspen' stuff I can't stand, when that clearly is not the case.
It takes more than a short trip to brat camp to change these people, I feel that they have just been dumped back to where they were once they served their purpose for aspen and C4 (publicity and TV) without been given the after support they need in order to change their lives around for good, as evident with lydia's new career.
It's a shame reality is darker than the 'happy bunny land' image shown after aspen.

It does not surprise me.

If you look on page 23 of this report:

http://www.cnr.uidaho.edu/wrc/Publications/doctor2.pdf

you can see that only 50 % could go on without futher treatment at AAA, while a program like Anasazi can show 90%.

I know that AAA is owned by a company which also runs lockdowns for teens and they properly evaluate some of the children based on their parents vallets when they recommend doing time in a lockdown after the wilderness course, but that does not explain the whole difference between the numbers.

I think that they did choose the wrong program but based on payment and Aspen interest in the European market, they properly did not have any other choice.

Out of the 7 we can two failures. Lydia and Georgie could not return and function in a open society as expected. We can two confirmed successtory - the pregnant one and Poppyo.

Lucy does not count. She was broken at Turnabout Ranch. That remains two before we can see if the statistic is right.

Which one of the girls is pregnant? I'd be hard pressed to call that a success story in all honesty, I think lydia is the oldest of the girls and is 18, so I'm assuming she's a pregnant 17 year old without the financial means or life experiences to raise a child well. Seems like a way to escape the real world, not integrate into it.
Georgie...what happened to her? last I know she was sent back.
Lydia an "exotic dancer" to quote her myspace.
Rosie?
Danni?
Julia?
and as you've said Lucy doesn't count as aspen didn't break her, but how is she doing now?

at the end of the day I'm seeing this whole saga as little more than advertising a 'quick fix' to dealing with psycological problems in problem teens; a logical progression from the 'quick fix' pill.

Danni

Euclidian - why would you 'assume' that Lydia is the one who is pregnant?

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Originally posted by saint*555:
Euclidian - why would you 'assume' that Lydia is the one who is pregnant?

I never did, read what I wrote. I know Lydia isn't pregnant (at least she wasn't last week).

Thankyou farrina, that put's her at 17 yrs old. I'll give her credit for doing a childcare course if her bio is correct

I have story from Russia in the old days. They did open a night club with exotics dancers. But the public failed them and they could not figure out why. One of the assistants tried to suggest that the problem could be the dancers. The boss turned the suggestion down: "No way. They have been member of the party for 50 years."

Maybe I was a little harsh and judgemental against Lydia calling her a failure. Dancing is job - a career choice. Properly not a job, which she can hold on to until retirement, but a career choice after all. Would it be better if she was unemployed?

It is hard to decide whether shipping someone 6000 kilometers away because we can not do the same things here, because all countries in the world except for USA and Somalia has signed a UN treaty which ensures the right of a child, actually can work.

Second of all none in the industry have ever made a survey 5-10 years after the stay and when the children has reached adulthood, where they dont have to fear their parents.

So we don't know if the concept works or not.

For someone with a history of low-self esteem, drug abuse and sexual promiscuity I would hardly call working at a strip club the career choice of a reformed individual.

Sorry one last point...It's the lack of research that makes me skeptical considering a number of former aspen students must now be in adulthood, nor can I find a comparision of the effectivness between something like brat camp and a more traditional therapy program.