So you come on coz you fancy taking a Penalty. You get yourself so worked up that you forget to listen out for the Ref's whistle and hit it to the right. So the Keeper's now easily second guessed you dives left and makes a comfortable save
at least he had the bottle, he's scored plenty for penalties for liverpool, in tough situations too, he's not the first and won't be the last to miss, so get off his back!!!
I'm glad he came on. Its better that he missed rather than Lennon. I think that was the thinking that it wouldn't be fair for Lennon who is only young to have to deal with that pressure when he's only just broken into the team.
He may well have scored his penalty but had he not it would have been a lot to carry on his young shoulders. Much better that the older players have that pressure.
Originally posted by ScouseTiger: at least he had the bottle, he's scored plenty for penalties for liverpool, in tough situations too, he's not the first and won't be the last to miss, so get off his back!!!
I'm not knocking is bottle ST just the fact that he made a fundamental error in not listening for the Ref's whistle.
Originally posted by FGG: I'm glad he came on. Its better that he missed rather than Lennon. I think that was the thinking that it wouldn't be fair for Lennon who is only young to have to deal with that pressure when he's only just broken into the team.
He may well have scored his penalty but had he not it would have been a lot to carry on his young shoulders. Much better that the older players have that pressure.
aaron would have scored.how did you manage to drag him into an arguement over carragher anyway ?
You sure LB? Wouldn't he have placed the ball down, run at it at 73mph, then got caught in a dilemma of whether to shoot at goal, pass it to a team mate, or just run into the corner?
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Originally posted by FGG: I'm glad he came on. Its better that he missed rather than Lennon. I think that was the thinking that it wouldn't be fair for Lennon who is only young to have to deal with that pressure when he's only just broken into the team.
He may well have scored his penalty but had he not it would have been a lot to carry on his young shoulders. Much better that the older players have that pressure.
Hey there's a 20 yr old Ukrainan (Milevsky I think) who in his 1st senior appearence stepped up and chipped his penalty in the shootout against the Swiss. We've gotta stop being so negative and put things into perspective a penalty is not sooooooo hard. If we continue with this attitude of 'lets protect him from taking a penalty' he'l never have the confidence when the need arises and we'l never win a shootout. Let's not forget an 18 yr old Owen scored his pen in the '98 shootout.
Originally posted by CupraR04: You sure LB? Wouldn't he have placed the ball down, run at it at 73mph, then got caught in a dilemma of whether to shoot at goal, pass it to a team mate, or just run into the corner?
if he had , would it have been any worse than the established pros ? in the short time he was on the pitch with 11 players did he not set up englands best chance ? yes he did and he would have continued to terrorize portugal but we all know what happened next. i am to lennon what mike parry is to rooney.
Lets not forget that at least all the England pens were on target...Better than the 'more skillfull' Portugese could manage. All it came down to was a keeper whose coach is obviously Derren Brown!
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Originally posted by Life Buoy: if he had , would it have been any worse than the established pros ? in the short time he was on the pitch with 11 players did he not set up englands best chance ? yes he did and he would have continued to terrorize portugal but we all know what happened next. i am to lennon what mike parry is to rooney.
One of the best chances...But he sould have hit it before Rooney sliced it, or even before he took it past the last defender... But it's all hindsight now. Hopefully he'll grow a bit more this season, and get some more confidence in front of goal by the time the Euros come round
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Originally posted by FGG: I'm glad he came on. Its better that he missed rather than Lennon. I think that was the thinking that it wouldn't be fair for Lennon who is only young to have to deal with that pressure when he's only just broken into the team.
He may well have scored his penalty but had he not it would have been a lot to carry on his young shoulders. Much better that the older players have that pressure.
aaron would have scored.how did you manage to drag him into an arguement over carragher anyway ?
I only mentioned the Lennon thing cos thats who he was subbed for....
Originally posted by ScouseTiger: at least he had the bottle, he's scored plenty for penalties for liverpool, in tough situations too, he's not the first and won't be the last to miss, so get off his back!!!
I'm not knocking is bottle ST just the fact that he made a fundamental error in not listening for the Ref's whistle.
fair enough, but i would imagine its only too easy to make a mistake like that in the quarter finals of the world cup with the rowd screaming and your heart pumping and head banging, even if he'd scored it we would still have gone out
Originally posted by Life Buoy: if he had , would it have been any worse than the established pros ? in the short time he was on the pitch with 11 players did he not set up englands best chance ? yes he did and he would have continued to terrorize portugal but we all know what happened next. i am to lennon what mike parry is to rooney.
One of the best chances...But he sould have hit it before Rooney sliced it, or even before he took it past the last defender... But it's all hindsight now. Hopefully he'll grow a bit more this season, and get some more confidence in front of goal by the time the Euros come round
He scored in the same position and run, for Spurs last season, had Rooney not of taken it away from him i am sure we would be in the semi's now, Rooney was so frustrated and panicked and sliced it. But if Lennon had of caught the rebound better and got some power on it that would of been a goal, as well as Lampard trying to be flash with a volley, when he had all the time in the world to of brought the ball down, there were a couple of others as well, this is something Portugal didnt have all game. We could easily of won 3 or 4 nil, but we didnt have the rub of the green, thats football for ya, but life goes on, and there is always next time, the one good thing about England and the quality of players we produce, is that we will be there next time
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Anyone who takes a penalty has to be applauded for having the guts to do it, so don't knock them for it.
On a more serious note that has been overlooked, I read that in the last 4 or 5 shoot-outs, an England keeper has saved just one penalty, Seaman against Spain in Euro 96. Now as a team game, it's easy to sit and blame the takers for missing, but isn't it just as important to save them and not just hope that the opposition hit the post/bar/car park?
Originally posted by AndyCardiff: Anyone who takes a penalty has to be applauded for having the guts to do it, so don't knock them for it.
On a more serious note that has been overlooked, I read that in the last 4 or 5 shoot-outs, an England keeper has saved just one penalty, Seaman against Spain in Euro 96. Now as a team game, it's easy to sit and blame the takers for missing, but isn't it just as important to save them and not just hope that the opposition hit the post/bar/car park?
I always feel the keeper with the bigger personality wins the shootout.
Originally posted by zeds: So you come on coz you fancy taking a Penalty. You get yourself so worked up that you forget to listen out for the Ref's whistle and hit it to the right. So the Keeper's now easily second guessed you dives left and makes a comfortable save
Originally posted by AndyCardiff: Yeah, you could be right. Mind you, it's easier to get it past a keeper of Robinsons height than Lehmann's
True. But they (Lehmann and Robinson) are both of similar ability. I feel that in a shoot out situation Lehmann has more of a personality whereas Roninson's a bit of a nobody. Don't forget Ricardo is pretty slight for a keeper. I remember during the CL Dudek acting stupid pretty much won it for Liverpool, mind games or whatever I don't know.
