It's now 9 games since they won and 4 games since he took charge and without a win still. A lot of people who follow the game could see this coming, the appointment of Wise has been met with disbelief in a lot of quarters, the fans seem to be losing patience and it was only the former players and old pro's who talked about the 'passion' he'd bring, without taking into account his tactical naivety, and the ever hopeful fans who could see it working.
Now, I know that a manager needs time to make things work, but it's not improving for them, is it? And is this passion enough to see them through to the end of the season without taking them down? It's going to be very, very tough for them
Wasn't so much of a honeymoon. Didn't even get to the end of the service before. I now pronounce you man and strife!
They could well be in trouble...tough run of games coming up. Think they'll be alright and improve next year. 13th place finish this year and 9th next year. Geordies'll be having nose bleeds after that one!
Where I live we don't find the Newcastle situation a problem. However it's the England situation all over again. If you are going to get rid of a manager you must make sure you have a better replacement. (That's Sven and McClaren obviously-not the new bloke)
Capitalism is not dead (malheureusment) It just smells funny.
I agree GJ, if you are going to sack a manager you must have some kind of coherent plan in place as to who is going to replace them and then give them time and support.
If they persevered with Allardyce for a few seasons and put up with football that is a little duller than they want, they may win something for the first time in 55 years. But they want to win every game 5-4, something they were doing under Keegan but never came close to winning a trophy.
What exactly do they want up there? Duller football and a trophy or two or exciting football and not even a sniff of a trophy?
No-one wanted to go there. A couple turned them down as they have no European football and no real prospect of it at the moment. He bought in a young italian striker. And we all know what the track record of Italian strikers over here is like, don't we?
Originally posted by Super_horns: I have no idea why they did not bring anyone in during the transfer window...
I doubt relegation will happen but its not good form.
Apparently they tried but when you employ a manager that has not been keeping up his contacts or watching football then it will take more than a month to re-establish contacts and decide on new signings much less persuading them to join the train wreck of a club that they are.
I was reading this morning that they put in an £800,000 bid for Wes Brown. I'm not a great fan of Wes Brown, but even I know he's worth more than that in today's transfer market.
If that's how they're conducting their transfer dealings, no wonder clubs and players are telling them where to go. Perhaps Keegan should have kept touch a bit closer to what's been going on in football while he was out of the game
To be fair, he is out of contract in June and very unlikely to sign a new deal, it was worth putting in a teasing offer to tempt United. The money men might have made Ferguson go for it. £800,000 was far too cheeky an offer though, £2m maybe.
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Originally posted by AndyCardiff: It's now 9 games since they won and 4 games since he took charge and without a win still. A lot of people who follow the game could see this coming, the appointment of Wise has been met with disbelief in a lot of quarters, the fans seem to be losing patience and it was only the former players and old pro's who talked about the 'passion' he'd bring, without taking into account his tactical naivety, and the ever hopeful fans who could see it working.
Now, I know that a manager needs time to make things work, but it's not improving for them, is it? And is this passion enough to see them through to the end of the season without taking them down? It's going to be very, very tough for them
Oh, c,mon! You're not serious, surely?
The Permed Wonder has taken over a side half way through the season and after taking the reigns of the hapless Big Sam who made a mess.
Give Kev a break and let him have a few games more before posting this nonsense.
Originally posted by AndyCardiff: It's now 9 games since they won and 4 games since he took charge and without a win still. A lot of people who follow the game could see this coming, the appointment of Wise has been met with disbelief in a lot of quarters, the fans seem to be losing patience and it was only the former players and old pro's who talked about the 'passion' he'd bring, without taking into account his tactical naivety, and the ever hopeful fans who could see it working.
Now, I know that a manager needs time to make things work, but it's not improving for them, is it? And is this passion enough to see them through to the end of the season without taking them down? It's going to be very, very tough for them
Oh, c,mon! You're not serious, surely?
The Permed Wonder has taken over a side half way through the season and after taking the reigns of the hapless Big Sam who made a mess.
Give Kev a break and let him have a few games more before posting this nonsense.
How much longer does he want? He is famed for his motivational qualities, yet they haven't won a game since he took over, and nor have they looked like doing so. The confidence is apparently at its lowest ebb, yet still he fails to motivate his players. Rubbish? Surely not
Originally posted by AndyCardiff: It's now 9 games since they won and 4 games since he took charge and without a win still. A lot of people who follow the game could see this coming, the appointment of Wise has been met with disbelief in a lot of quarters, the fans seem to be losing patience and it was only the former players and old pro's who talked about the 'passion' he'd bring, without taking into account his tactical naivety, and the ever hopeful fans who could see it working.
Now, I know that a manager needs time to make things work, but it's not improving for them, is it? And is this passion enough to see them through to the end of the season without taking them down? It's going to be very, very tough for them
Oh, c,mon! You're not serious, surely?
The Permed Wonder has taken over a side half way through the season and after taking the reigns of the hapless Big Sam who made a mess.
Give Kev a break and let him have a few games more before posting this nonsense.
If u knew much then u would know its was not Big Sam who made a mess at Newcastle.
Keegan will not save Newcaslte and im putting money on them going down (that will b the end then). Newcaslte play poor football and they dont look like they will win a game, only Derby have a worst goal diff than Newcastle
Originally posted by Heinze: Lol Keegan will walk once it's just about certain they'll go down. He won't hang around to stay and be counted. Pathetic little man. IMO
As always, Heinze, I agree with you there. There's not a job he's been sacked from because he always walks first. Don't blame him in some circumstances, but it does his reputation no good at all, unless you're one of the gullible 'Geordie Nation' (how much do I hate that phrase?).
Or it could just be that Kev is an honest and passionate bloke who had realised his limitations in these jobs under those circumstances. Newcastle mid 90's is not Newcastle late 00's.
Give the man some time and he may get Newcastle challenging again. And at that point he may say he's done what he can and now someone else should have a go.
Nothing odd about that.
No wonder manager's jobs become farce when they don't even get to 10 games!
Look at Sir Alex, Arsene, David Moyes etc.
It's no secret that successful clubs stick with their manager!
Originally posted by SH' treadmill: Or it could just be that Kev is an honest and passionate bloke who had realised his limitations in these jobs under those circumstances. Newcastle mid 90's is not Newcastle late 00's.
Give the man some time and he may get Newcastle challenging again. And at that point he may say he's done what he can and now someone else should have a go.
Nothing odd about that.
No wonder manager's jobs become farce when they don't even get to 10 games!
Look at Sir Alex, Arsene, David Moyes etc.
It's no secret that successful clubs stick with their manager!
Keegan likes to have loads of money (usually to be able to outspend his rivals, like he did in the 90's) rather than play catch-up with the rest of the pack. If he knew his limitations in having a 12 point lead sucked away from him, do you reckon he'll survive this time round? The clever money says no.
"Give the man some time and he may get Newcastle challenging again"? "No wonder manager's jobs become farce when they don't even get to 10 games"? "Look Sir Alex, Arsene, Moyes, etc"? On the other hand, look at Allardyce and what he built at Bolton given time. He asked for time at Newcastle and all the fans could bawl at him was "You don't know what you're doing". Newcastle's current mess is all their own making and, if they go down, they will be where their amateurish running of a club has deservedly put them. They had the chance of stability with Allardyce if they gave him time, but they preferred to sack him before half a season and employ a spent force with a reputation of bailing out when the going gets tough in almost every job he's been at
*14th April 1999 Villa Park* 