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purechillout
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surely with all the violence and shame they bring to the game (thats just the police!)and the so called fans 10 times as bad, something drastic needs to happen, its time uefa put their foot down and banned all italian clubs for a couple of years from european football before they kill the beautiful game, its bad enough they get away with match fixing and are in the champions league because of it.
if nothing is does now it will just get worse as the only message italy get is do what you like.
as for the manu fans, they should of just put up a fight and it wouldn't of been long before the italians surrendered.
 
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myles2
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*beats purechillout with a baton*

Ignorance is bliss purechillout but you can look-up the meaning of it on www.dictionary.com

*YAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWN*

I'm bored with this already.....and i'm the first reply!
 
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purechillout
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me ignorant? im not the one letting the italians ruin the game with corrupt cheating am i? it is your ignorance that will kill off the italian game by keep turning a blind eye to all the cack going on, come see me in a couple of years when serieA no longer exists and call me ignorant Big Grin

and if you needed to look up the word ignorance to know what it means i suggest you surrender right now Ninja
 
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Calcioro
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There are laws to control football hooligans in Britain.Coincidently, ManU fans caused two troubles in 2 away CL games.

As for the match-fixing,it's nonsense to point out as you don't have any evidence after the punishment for 5 clubs.


Anyway you just wanted to attack Italian football and the people like you caused the prejudice and arrogance.


Forza AZZURRI

Forza Viola!!

mi piace Italia e Serie A
 
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purechillout
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Anyway you just wanted to attack Italian football and the people like you caused the prejudice and arrogance


like i caused?
excuse me i'm neither english or a manu fan, im a football fan and its because i'm a football fan i want italian football dealt with in a proper way, if people would just open their eyes it might help!
 
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Calcioro
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it's not just only the problem in Italy but in many European countris as well.of course changes are needed but it should not only forcus on Italy.


Forza AZZURRI

Forza Viola!!

mi piace Italia e Serie A
 
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Giancarlo
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Just saw the riot police dealing with some Spurs fans in seville game!!! BAN ALL SPANISH TEAMS AND ITALIAN FROM EUROPE COZ THEY MAKE OPPOSITION FANS MISBEHAVE!!


ONCE I LIVED IN CAPITALS, MY LIFE INTENSELY PHALLIC. but now i'm sadly lowercase with the occasional italic.
 
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Giancarlo
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I feel I need to add to this. Two nights and English fans involved in two incidents... I'm sure they are toally blameless however and it's the Spanish and Italian authorities fault.


ONCE I LIVED IN CAPITALS, MY LIFE INTENSELY PHALLIC. but now i'm sadly lowercase with the occasional italic.
 
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Saviola
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Wouldn't be surprised, the authorities in both countries are a shambles. Probably look forward to an English team visiting, gives them a good excuse to throw their weight around.
 
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Greenjack
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Originally posted by Saviola:
Wouldn't be surprised, the authorities in both countries are a shambles. Probably look forward to an English team visiting, gives them a good excuse to throw their weight around.


after seeing the footage last night this wouldn't surprise me at all.
the italian police were clearly happy to just batton english supporters causing trouble or not.
we know fans of all nations have their trouble makers but the police should be above it.


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Shaker Beads
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Originally posted by Giancarlo:
I feel I need to add to this. Two nights and English fans involved in two incidents... I'm sure they are toally blameless however and it's the Spanish and Italian authorities fault.


The thing is I'm sure quite a lot of the English fans where trying to get up to mischief - it's just a reality. But why is it really allowed to even happen? I've not even seen anything of that incident but maybe it is their fault? I don't really understand how an organised, efficent police force cannot control say a couple thousand fans? It's funny that games like Rangers v Celtic or United v Liverpool can more or less pass off completly problem free in the grounds and immediately around them - I went to an old firm once and there was more chance of violence happening at a buddhist temple.

The police here are organised - know how to handle things - know when to get heavy, know when to leave off - they're not abroad - they're heavy handed, fly off the handle, are dim witted yokels and think every fan from the UK is some nazi skinhead and should get a baton round his head if he sneezes(in Italy they're vain mummys boys too btw, I've seen them!)
 
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gingeki
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Very interesting the media coverage this is getting. Rangers fans get their skulls caved in away to Osasuna by riot cops and outside the Scottish media not a thing. In fact it's all been turned against Rangers and they now await what action is going to be taken (singing dodgy songs means it's OK to get assualted).

If last night had happened to any other fans except English ones then no one on his island would have cared.

And for the record Man U fans have a cheek to complain - if I was at a game and there was a fence dividing the fans and riot cops with big sticks were near them, I would certainly not run up to the fence as I would suspect there was a wee chance I might get whacked by the infamous skull cracking crazy police. Not saying they deserved the treatment but a bit of commonsense never goes a miss.


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Shaker Beads
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If you treat people like animals they'll act like animals - it's not rocket science - put them in cages or stand around them threatening to wallop them if they so much as move and really what do you expect other than defiance and agression back? I'm not saying that approach wasn't need in the 1970s and 80s but I don't think it is now - if every time an English team goes abroad these places act like they're preparing for war or something - I can only imagine that just excites the few meatheads intent on trouble even more and also gets the backs up of people who wouldn't have got their backs up had they not been treat like a criminal.

Look at the violence that takes place against the police in Italy - from Italian fans! It's not like the only time they have problems is when an English team comes to town! Also while I remember - there was very little trouble in Germany last summer given the size of the tournament - I have to be totally frank and just say I don't think southern Europeans "do" organisation and stuff like that very well (which in many ways is a brilliant thing - siestas!- but not policing a football match)
 
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Dels2
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Originally posted by Shaker Beads:
If you treat people like animals they'll act like animals - it's not rocket science - put them in cages or stand around them threatening to wallop them if they so much as move and really what do you expect other than defiance and agression back? I'm not saying that approach wasn't need in the 1970s and 80s but I don't think it is now - if every time an English team goes abroad these places act like they're preparing for war or something - I can only imagine that just excites the few meatheads intent on trouble even more and also gets the backs up of people who wouldn't have got their backs up had they not been treat like a criminal.

Look at the violence that takes place against the police in Italy - from Italian fans! It's not like the only time they have problems is when an English team comes to town! Also while I remember - there was very little trouble in Germany last summer given the size of the tournament - I have to be totally frank and just say I don't think southern Europeans "do" organisation and stuff like that very well (which in many ways is a brilliant thing - siestas!- but not policing a football match)


I guess the Italian's haven't forgiven the English... There's alot of history there.

I over heard someone saying today that because of this violence in Rome last night Italian teams & the national team should get treated like the English teams did in 1985.

ARE THERE 39 PEOPLE LYING DEAD?!


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Virgilio Fossati
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Originally posted by Shaker Beads:
If you treat people like animals they'll act like animals - it's not rocket science - put them in cages or stand around them threatening to wallop them if they so much as move and really what do you expect other than defiance and agression back? I'm not saying that approach wasn't need in the 1970s and 80s but I don't think it is now - if every time an English team goes abroad these places act like they're preparing for war or something - I can only imagine that just excites the few meatheads intent on trouble even more and also gets the backs up of people who wouldn't have got their backs up had they not been treat like a criminal.

Look at the violence that takes place against the police in Italy - from Italian fans! It's not like the only time they have problems is when an English team comes to town! Also while I remember - there was very little trouble in Germany last summer given the size of the tournament - I have to be totally frank and just say I don't think southern Europeans "do" organisation and stuff like that very well (which in many ways is a brilliant thing - siestas!- but not policing a football match)


I guess the Italian's haven't forgiven the English... There's alot of history there.

I over heard someone saying today that because of this violence in Rome last night Italian teams & the national team should get treated like the English teams did in 1985.

ARE THERE 39 PEOPLE LYING DEAD?!


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Shaker Beads
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Look at the violence that takes place against the police in Italy - from Italian fans! It's not like the only time they have problems is when an English team comes to town!


I'm being a bit big headed here repeating my post but I only really realised the significance of my point here after I typed it. Surely the fact (apparently) the Ultra groups are never interested in fighting each other only the police suggests there clearly is a problem with policing/match control in Italy. There seem like a lot of poeple on here who get into this polarised debate if it's an Anglo-Italian thing - just pretend we didn't have to play the latest Anglo-Italian blame game I'd be interested to see what Italian folk intent on deflecting all blame all the time have to say about the state of violence against police/by police in their domestic game?
 
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purechillout
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it's not just only the problem in Italy but in many European countris as well.of course changes are needed but it should not only forcus on Italy


the focus shouldn't just be on italy i agree, but when you've just spent a few weeks playing games behind closed doors from a policeman getting stabbed and now for it to all be forgotten and more stabbings to manu fans, then focus will bound to be on italy, if italy kept the games played behind closed doors as they clearly should of going by this week then none of this would of happened.
 
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Roma per Sempre
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'Is this the End of Italian Football'

Erm - No


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Dels2
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I appolgise for my other post, it might have a been a little extreme to compare but I was in a really stinker of a mood last night.

But what I guess I meant by it is that i think there's been an over-raction to the punishment that people think Roma deserve. I've heard or seen things such as:

*Roma Should be banned from European competition
*All Italian teams should be banned from European competition
*Italian football should be shut down
*Italy should be thrown out of namtion competition
*Italy should be stripped of the world cup!!!!

I think a large fine & playing behind closed doors for Roma for awhile would do.

The problems with police are surely something that the Italian government need to sort out rather than UEFA, no?


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Giancarlo
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You're right. Like a UEFA spokesman said (I can't remember the exact quote) "Italian law states that police are responsible for the crowd control inside the stadium and not the club as they are municipal stadiums and not owned by the club"

So considering that I don't think playing behind closed doors is fair to be honest, nor fining.


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