OK mate - well if what you say is genuine then thats fair enough. TBH im not convinced but at least it seems you now admit that corruption happens in football.

For years I have been trying to convert people into seeing how corrupt the footballing world is but because England is relatively clean - very few people in this country have ever been able to accept it or believe that it was possible. If I was to guess I would probably put you in that category. What this big scandal has done is made the people in this country realise how big corruption really is on the continent.

With regards to your comment on nordic - some of his comments did go too far and he got to the point where he almost believed every game was corrupt - but he certainly knew his stuff on corruption and football.

What must be remembered though is that with regards to match-fixing - 1 or 2 people being bribed is often enough to swing a match. So to say that sweden denmark could not have been fixed because it was a very competetive game is wrong. I am not saying it was fixed (although I personally do believe it was) but it is really easy to fix a game whilst presenting the illusion of a competetive game.

For example some could point to the poor marking on two of the goals in that game. A cross comes in and the defender just gives the guy he is marking a yard on him - thus giving the opportunity to have a free header to head the ball. This is how sophisticated match fixing works. Little errors made during the game present big opportunities to score that cannot be noticed.

There is no way that sweden and denmark were going to play that game in an uncomptetive manner and fix the game because it would have been blatanly obvious for the whole world to see. Therefore in my opinion they took part in a sophisticated strategy of match fixing. Although having said that sorensen's error at the end did give it away for me. Those that say denmark nearly and should have gone 3-1 up thus this disproves conspiracy theories are wrong because a score draw above 2-2 (so 3-3 and 4-4) also would have put Italy out as well. Thus this gave sweden and denmark alot of leeway to play a comptetive game because it would not matter if one of them went 2-0 or 3-1 up because 2 goals could always be scored to bring it back to a high enough score draw.

Therefore really it was a very easy match to fix.

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Originally posted by etemdeco1984:
TBH im not convinced
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Sorry, what do you mean? Do you honestly believe my initial comment was genuine?

I'm finding it hard to believe I'm actually having to defend myself here.

No i just get the impression having read alot of your posts in the last 6 months that you were/have been slightly naive towards corruption in football.

Im not going to start searching through your past posts to find examples but there are many posts you have made where you simply reject the idea of corruption in football.

And having read these - and then read your post on what you say was a sarcastic/ironic post I am not convinced that you were actually being ironic.

That is my interpretation but like I say I have only been reading these forums for 6-8 months or so - so I may be wrong - if I am wrong I apologise- but I am not convinced I am.

Well if you have been reading the forums for as long as you say you have, then you would probably have realised I was being sarcastic.

I've even acknowledged in the past that Fiorentina benefitted from some form of conspiracy in 03/04...and then were victims of a conspiracy in 04/05. So quite why I'm naive about it, I'm not sure.

But I'm not particularly fussed, as everyone else, without exception, realised I was joking.

You were joking!?

Oh my God, I don't know what to believe anymore! Nothing is as it seems! Aarrgghh!!!

Yeah. Santa isn't real, either.

Now you're just talking crazy!

Something else that's crazy... if Juve get demoted to Serie B, there's a strong chance that Torino will come up to Serie A in their place.

If Torino win and Catania lose next week, Torino would be up on their own merit, but wouldn't it totally fookin funny if Juve's demise equals Torino's success?

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Originally posted by etemdeco1984:
...if I am wrong I apologise- but I am not convinced I am.

Eye yam what eye yam . You are wrong. Apologise!

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Originally posted by Mezz:
Verno's more prominent than Michael.
Stand them together and look at them both from the side, you'll see what I mean...

I think the Eurovision contest needs investigating. Definitely something fishy going on there...

Guess what, Inter defend poorly every week with their defenders routinely giving strikers a yard on them!
Defenders have even been known to score spectacular own goals from 30 yards out! Goalkeepers have been known to let in goals a furby would have saved!
This is conclusive proof that the whole world is corrupt and that turnips are green every other Sunday.

Richard Feynman said this which may be applied to your bonkers conspiracy theories: If I see a car on the motorway with reg pkate T 581 JGJ this is a miracle! Afterall out of all the millions of cars in the world, what are the chances of me seeing that one!?

Confuscious said, "Dont try to kill a mosquito with a canonball".

FI forums say STFU.

Eurovision is a joke . It's not about which is the best song (all the songs are 5h1t), it's just Euro-trash. I remember an Italian friend of mine going ballistic when Switzerland, a 'friend' of Italy, failed to give them a decent score . I also remember when Ireland didn't want to win because they couldn't afford to keep putting on the show when they kept winning the damn thing (what happened to Johnny Logan?). It's more political than musical, Cyprus supports Greece, the Balkan states all voting for each other: I don't know why anyone takes it seriously. Best entry for me came in the mid nineties, a French entry that had an Arabic tint to it. Think it came third. Everything else is like Terry Wogan's hair: unbelievable.

Is it possible that Juve will get relegated??

I am still rather suspect of the Italy-S. Korea WC game in 2002. Not really any of Italy's other games, just that one.

I am not to bothered with the Eoro 2004 Denmark-Sweden game. I think they went out to win, saw it was 2-2 with a few minutes left, and left it. Not really any harm in that. Italy did the same thing with Mexico in WC 2002.

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Originally posted by blackandblue:
Eurovision is a joke . It's not about which is the best song (all the songs are 5h1t), it's just Euro-trash. I remember an Italian friend of mine going ballistic when Switzerland, a 'friend' of Italy, failed to give them a decent score . I also remember when Ireland didn't want to win because they couldn't afford to keep putting on the show when they kept winning the damn thing (what happened to Johnny Logan?). It's more political than musical, Cyprus supports Greece, the Balkan states all voting for each other: I don't know why anyone takes it seriously. Best entry for me came in the mid nineties, a French entry that had an Arabic tint to it. Think it came third. Everything else is like Terry Wogan's hair: unbelievable.

One of the best things about Eurovision is that Italy does not take part. They opted out so as not to damage the "prestige" of their own borefest, San Remo.

I like Eurovision - the tactical voting makes it funny.

I still have nightmares about Italian television - endless tedious programmes usually presented by the mummified Mike Bongiorno. It was like a nightmare version of British television in the 70s. The highlight was usually repeats of the Benny Hill Show.

Who won Eurovision in the end? I only saw the first couple acts, I think it was Moldova's. it was great, a sort of rap type thing, at one point this bloke came tootling on stage on a little scooter half way through the song. Terry Wogan is a ledg!

The weird masked goth people won. From Finland.

Yes, it was us Finns who triumphed in the contest this year. It was our first win ever, our previous best being 6th place.

HARD ROCK HALLELUJAH!!!