JIo2e,What a lovely person you are??????????

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Originally posted by J1o2e:
I give up, yay democracy.. Yay war... Yay vanity.. yay plastic surgery, I hope everyone who tries to get plastic surgery ends up looking like Micheal Jackson

I'm glad you're giving up.

And why should they if they choose not to (your own choice is yours, theirs is theirs). I am more than willing to have an adult debate but I do not feed trolls.

Have a look at forum guidelines under 'feeding the trolls'. It's a fixed expression here. Nothing else.

The programme makes me feel physically ill. I can't watch it.
All it does is reinforce the message that it is somehow wrong or careless to get older, and that keeping up appearances is so much more important than being a good person/good mother/good friend or any other combination of positives that most people are to some degree. Whatever happened to accentuating the positive and celebrating difference ?

Sundog,what on earth has cosmetic surgery got to do with being a good person.That statement is absurd.If it makes you sick to watch it, there are plenty of other channels you can watch

I was the Bikini Special and I know I'm a good person

There's another misconception too, that plastic surgery uses plastic. Plastic comes from the Greek word plastikos which is associated with refashioning or reconstruction - there's nothing plastic about it (apart from the faces some people end up with after having a too-tight facelift! ahem)

My other little concern (and not entirely associated with these programme but in general) is that I wish when cosmetic surgery was being discussed in the media it would be called that and not plastic surgery. The reason? Plastic and reconstructive surgery covers about 90% of the clinical surgery done in this country, which many people are refused on the NHS because there is still a perception that such surgery is 'exceptional' rather than mainstream. Cosmetic surgery accounts for about 10% of all plastic & reconstructive surgery - all the things that people get done because they want to improve their appearance but where there is no clinical symptomatology - e.g. eyelid surgery will in almost all cases not be funded by the NHS unless there is evidence that overhang of the eyelid is causing clinical problems for the eye.

The more 'plastic' surgery is sometimes perceived as frivolous or non-necessary, when in fact it is 'cosmetic' surgery the Health Authorities and even many people within the health service are saying shouldn't be available on the NHS, the less chance people are going to be able to access the NHS for legitimate treatment or surgery for conditions and problems that are making their lives miserable. The British Association of Plastic Surgeons is very concerned about the negative perception of 'plastic' surgery and I believe are planning to address this misperception with government and local authorities.

It's a minefield, and personally I don't think (for example) that breast augmentations should be available on the NHS unless they are to treat clinical conditions - I mean would you like to think you're taxes are going to make a Page 3 model's bits bigger?? I didn't think so But if a woman had a deformity or had undergone reconstruction of a breast for cancer, wouldn't you expect her to be able to access surgery to make herself look and feel better about herself again? If someone had done everything they could to lose weight by diet and exercise and had reached an acceptable weight, but still had extremely large and heavy breasts that caused pain, intense backache and severe psychological distress, wouldn't you think that should be corrected?

So, media people, call it cosmetic surgery where it's cosmetic!!! Please! and make the point of stressing the difference!

/rant

Phew. I feel better now

Dang! Can't edit!!

'you're taxes' should of course be 'your taxes' - doh!

I've just noticed that the Home Page has a disclaimer about cosmetic surgery and advice to check out the issues seriously. Excellent - I hadn't noticed that before so that's great.

I see I have been misunderstood. I never meant to say that people who have cosmetic surgery are not good people. I was trying to say that it is a sad society indeed that holds good people as somehow inferior if they either look their age or have some cosmetic flaw in their appearance.
Back story: due to tendon problems in my right foot, I walk with a slight limp. I occasionally feel self-conscious about it, and it is embarrassing if people point it out. A few people have been unkind in the past.
There is surgery I could have to correct it, but it is excruciatingly painful and has a 6-month recovery time during which I would be unable to walk. Why should I put myself through this just to make myself acceptable to a small minority of unpleasant people ? Better just to concentrate on the positive and get on with life.
That sums up my attitude to changing one's body to fit in with the expectations of others.

I've seen some of Jan Staneks work before,good job tonights lady had her face lift free,Because had I'd paid his over the top price I'd have been very dissatisfied with the job.She still had an eye bag under her right eye and the lines were not any better that I could see,yes jowls very slight improvement,but verticle lines from chin to cheek exactly the same.We are talking about a 38 year old woman.I would have expected far greater results than that.Had I been asked in the street I'd have said at least 52.I noticed they asked very young people at the end,whose perception is less greater than people older to judge.Teeth fantastic job.Hair good and makeup.Overall could have had a better job done by another surgeon.

The show is fascinating to watch but I must be the only one who feels a bit disappointed at the end.

I think the clothes section is good and their teeth always look great (although it's frightening to look at - seeing as underneath it all they have no real teeth of their own, and what's going to happen in 10 years? Ugh!)

Apart from the facial peels and makeup, all the botox and line smoothing doesn't seem that great.

I saw a show the other day and this lady looked great afterwards but her face was still clearly heavily lined.

I would have still guessed her to be older due to this fact, so in my opinion not living up to the whole 10 years younger thing.

Dunno, maybe I'm expecting too much

I think the show is a waste of time, and I don't even watch it.