Originally posted by BB FAN CJ: Arent they similar things? Having scitzsophrinia (sp) is having a split personality isnt it?
They are similar but no they arn't the same. Scitzophrinia is imagining a person that is talking to you-where as Newt is talking for Eli as comformed in last nights E4. and there are loads of other reasons why I think it's a split personality. Like the writing on the wall-(he did)
A split personality usually consistes of the (other person) in Newts case Eli-to be a very restless and angry soul that takes the place of your anger and does things your too afraid to do in the form of another person- sorry if thats very complecated but I duno how to explain it properly. But it's somthing like that
Wait I think they are the same, I did some research and it says when people get Hallucinations. Maybe Newt is seeing these hallucinations of Eli? Oh now I am confused again lol Correct me if I am wrong (I think I am wrong) But I am starting to think their the same thing. Well theirs my explaination lol (Which I think is wrong lol) xoxoxoxox
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Wikipedia says: Schizophrenia (pronounced /ˌskɪtsəˈfriːniə/), from the Greek roots schizein (σχίζειν, "to split") and phrēn, phren- (φρήν, φρεν-, "mind"), is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a mental illness characterized by impairments in the perception or expression of reality, most commonly manifesting as auditory hallucinations, paranoid or bizarre delusions or disorganized speech and thinking in the context of significant social or occupational dysfunction. Onset of symptoms typically occurs in young adulthood,[1] with approximately 0.4–0.6%[2][3] of the population affected. Diagnosis is based on the patient's self-reported experiences and observed behavior.
I dunno what its on about..but thats like Newt imo
Dissociative Identity Disorder, as defined by the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a condition in which a single person displays multiple distinct identities or personalities, each with its own pattern of perceiving and interacting with the environment.[1] The diagnosis requires that at least two personalities routinely take control of the individual's behavior with an associated memory loss that goes beyond normal forgetfulness; in addition, symptoms cannot be due to substance abuse or medical condition. Earlier versions of the DSM named the condition multiple personality disorder (MPD) and the term is still used by the ICD-10. There is controversy around the existence, possible causes, appearance across cultures, and epidemiology of the condition.
Actually I didnt even know about that thing before but thats more right (Y)
It's def a split personality that he has. I found a really good explanation of the two from the BBC:
Many people believe, falsely, that having a 'split personality' is the same as schizophrenia. Well, it is not. There are, in fact, important differences.
The term schizophrenia is from Bleuler (1911), who firstly identified more and milder varieties of the disease. He spoke of a Gruppe der Schizophrenien (group of schizophrenics). Schizophrenia means 'split mind'... which goes some way to explaining the present confusion.
Schizophrenia
Schizophrenia is the label applied to a group of disorders characterized by severe personality disorganization, distortion of reality, and an inability to function in daily life1. Typical symptoms of schizophrenia include hallucinations, mostly visual and auditory. To try to interpret these very realistic hallucinations, the sufferer develops delusions. A common delusion is that a schizophrenic may think he has a magic power or that he is God. This is a psychotic state. A psychosis affects the brain and damages it.
Disorders in emotional perception, movement (stiff movements, for example) and problems with speech (such as abruptly stopping in the middle of a sentence and starting another), may make the sufferer look bizarre to others.
The most common form is paranoid schizophrenia. This is where the sufferer's thoughts are controlled by strong suspicious delusions, and auditory hallucinations, such as 'hearing voices' which is very common. In comparison with other forms of schizophrenia, the disorders of emotional perception, movement and speech are rather small.
The development of schizophrenia often starts during adolescence or young adulthood. It is believed that it is caused by genetic defects triggered by stress factors like depression, the death of a dear person, or other experiences that are hard to cope with.
The prognosis of schizophrenia is bad when the disease has developed slowly; when there were no significant factors to trigger it; when it started to develop early; and when there are more family members suffering from schizophrenia. Treatment includes the taking of medications to suppress psychosis and joining psychotherapy. During non-psychotic episodes the sufferer has to learn to live with the symptoms and to avoid the possible triggers which prompt the psychosis; such as pressure, unstable and unhealthy lifestyle, stress and insecure feelings.
Split Personality
A split personality has nothing to do with schizophrenia, but more with Multiple Personality Syndrome (MPS). This is a psychiatric disorder that causes the sufferer's personality to divide into sub personalities, also known as alters. The alters have their own memory, and don't know of each other's existence. Consequently, the sufferer has episodes of amnesia.
The development of MPS is almost always triggered by severe abuse, including sexual abuse. During the traumatic experience the person becomes dissociated from the experience, becomes 'not there', and an alter personality takes over the pain. For every traumatic experience an alter is created. The alternating of the alters is easily recognized by the changing of the voice of the sufferer.
MPS is one of the most severe forms of defence mechanisms used to cope with extremely traumatic experiences.
Since 1994, MPS has been officially classified as Dissociative Identity Disorder in the DSM-IV2 as the alters are more identities, rather than personalities, based on dissociations.
As MPS (or DID) is believed to be very rare, not much research has been done. Therefore, not much is known of the prognosis. It is considered that the later the development of the alters takes place, the better. Another outcome of research is the belief that:
... after the age of 50, the alternating of the alters would spontaneously reduce3. The experience gained by research is that sufferers who had re-integrated alters have a better recovery rate than sufferers with still divided alters. The integration of the alters is always accomplished by many years of intensive psychotherapy.
Confusion
There are many differences between schizophrenia and 'split personality' (or MPS/DID). In practice this doesn't always show immediately. Careful observation of the sufferer and his or her symptoms over a long period is needed before a diagnosis can be reached. This is a normal practice in psychiatry; every person is different, and all the symptoms mentioned above can look different. It is almost unavoidable that a person will be mis-diagnosed at the start of treatment. As long as treatment fits the sufferer and the diagnosis is adjusted along the way, there isn't a problem. Although it is often hard to recognise what kind of disease a person is suffering from, the differences between schizophrenia and MPS are rather different.
ok trust me they are not the same thing! and people with the same disorder can act very different cos they have different symptoms of the same disorder. for example, some schizophrenics see people, hear voices etc but my friend has it and is simply very paranoid and is sometimes unable to control her actions and feels as thought she is looking on at herself.
I highly doubt it is split/multiple personality disorder also known as dissociative identity disorder because that often results in amnesia and not being aware of the other personality. 80% of cases are not aware of the other identity so why would newt be able to talk to him. if you are right then i will be disapointed in hollyoaks for nopt researching it well enough.
and kerry21, they are different things so YOU get your facts right please
It's all very confusing. The way I understand Multiple Personality Disorder after studying it in psychology is that the true person (which I believe to be Newt in this case) does not actually know about the alter (Eli). When the alter takes over, the actual person experiences a black out and doesn't remember a thing that the alter has done. Therefore Newt cannot have MPD as he knows what he is doing and is totally aware of Eli. To me it seems more like schizophrenia.
Originally posted by kerrys21: u havnt a clue cause there the same thing ! get ur facts right ok
angel_eyes82 gave a very clear description of each disease and they are very different.
However, Newt's case is a little more confusing as he seems to have something halfway between the two - whether he is supposed to have a different illness, or they just havn't done their research propely I'm not sure.
On the one hand, he has separated the darker side of his personality into a different persona (we think, as a result of the traumatic experience of finding the dead bodies), which is reminiscent of MPS. However, in true MPS he wouldn't see this persona as another person, but would 'lose time' and have no memory of these episodes. Hearing and seeing another person is more akin to the hallucinations associated with schizophrenia. It is therefore very hard to discern what Newt is supposed to be suffering from.
Schizophrenia: the deteriation of the mind causing confusion about the personality, paranoia, and irrational behaviour. psychosis: the sufferers contact with reality becomes distorted. I believe that Newt has all of these symptoms.
He has not got MPS because he sees Eli as another person not as an extension of himself. if he had MPS he would not know who eli was because he would never be able to interact with him because his two personalities could not be together at the same time. It is more likly that newt is suffering from some sort of Psychosis or schizophrenia.
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