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Originally posted by littlestarprincess:

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Originally posted by xXUnknownXx:
I hate Justin! I used to like him till he did that to Becca. Now I just can't forgive him for that. I really don't want Charlie to be his, and if he is Justin's..then Justin should just die so that he doesn't get to keep the kid.

i agree with u apart from the dead justin bit, i think he should just leave. justins done just as much nasty thing as jake, maybe even more so i dont know why anyone would want him to be a dad and what about poor nancy when justin takes the baby??

and...that is so borin...child gets sick, we find out the daddy aint really the daddy please!!

The dead Justin part was not meant to be literal. I was just expressing dislike for him. Seriously, I used to like Justin up until the Becca death thing! I think that people are too quick to forget that he got her killed just because he was stroppy about her breaking up with him...when he was totally asking for it!

But yeah Jake has done bad things too of course,the hit and run thing was pretty evil. And of course the Nancy situation. I think that Jake and nancy as a couple is just too creepy anyway. I tend to switch opinions on Jake. But I prefer him to Justin now for some reason.

I soo want it to be justins! I happen to HATE jake right now and love justin! Lol gud storyline tho

i now wat wud b a gud storyline, if it turns out that niether jake or justin are charlies dad and he turns out 2 b someone else's in hollyoaks.

unknown;
no one has forgotten what justin has done, including him. the viewers cant forgive him despite the fact that she was deservedly in prison, just for the wrong thing, if hed told the truth the same fate would have befallen her, but he isnt responsible for her death. she chose to attack her pyscho cellmate and gloat that she was better than her, she also chose to break the law.

oops! didnt mean for that to be so long.

and unknown the only thing im replying to you about is that no one has forgot what justin did as jake and nancy wont allow it. whereas everyone has forgotten what jake has done as justin doent mention them and the valentines arent dwelling on the past, they are moving on. just like justin who doesnt mention his sisters a lot whereasd jake and nancy talk abouit becca as an innocent and justin as the devil.

Oh I know that Jake did some horrible things too. The hit and run being the worst IMO. I haven't forgotten them at all. I just thought that Justin went and reported Becca despite the fact that she was about to have a baby because he was throwing a kind of tantrum which was pretty selfish IMO. Woudld Becca have been sent to prison if she'd not been reported? I mean, nothing happened between her and Justin till he was sixteen. She would have lost her job as a teacher of course but prison?

Jake has done far worse things than Justin Unknown as did Justin stab Becca? No he didnt and did he know that she would pick a fight with her cellmate and end up stabbed? No again. So yes Justin was incredibly stupid to put Becca in prison and incredibly wrong but it doesnt make him the devil. He wasnt in the right head space at the time as his sisters had just died. Im not making excuses for his actions, im just explaining them more. I know what he did was wrong im disputinhg that but look at what Jake has done. He drove away from the scene when Mrs Valentine died and has never shown any sort of remorse in front of the family and sworns around now like nothing ever happened. im not saying dwell on it, just show remorse around Calvin and Sasha. Plus i know that the first time Jake beat up Justin he deserved it as he had found out about him sleeping with his wife and he was humiliated, but to burn the matress and beat him up again only a week later, why? Then to kidnap him just to stop him from putting Becca in prison was a bit extreme to say the least as he was leaving anyway and wasnt going to go to the trial. Plus to hold a knife to his throat was stupid as if Justin had died he would have went to prison and Charlie would have been brought up by his granny Mrs Hayton. For everyone to say Justin is worse havent read the facts to actualy say this as im sorry but Jake's crime far outway any of those crimes committed by Justin.

I want Justin to be the dad as he deserves to be brought up by someone who isnt over proctective and dominering like Jake. Justin could be a good dad if given the chance and lets face it anything could be better than Jake who constantly brushes him off on family just so he can get a break. Well being a parent doesnt allow for too many breaks.

No matter what Justin has done doesnt mean he will be a bad dad. Jake has started to manipulate Nancy as you can see happening now on screen and she reluctanly accepts his proposal. The child would be better of away from this type of man who in every way is worse than Jake. Im sorry but he is.

Last paragraph. Im meant anything could be better than Jake. I want Justin to be the dad.

I want the baby to be Justin's. I hate Jake. He is an immature pathetic idiot.

I don't see why you would think that just because Justin may turn out to be Charlie's dad he would automatically get custody of Charlie - this isnt the case at all. To get residential rights Justin would have to apply to the court and this is not automatic. the child's best interests are paramount in cases like these and I can't see any court awarding residential rights to Justin, even if he wanted them!

Wow quite a heated debate for Hollyoaks! Well, each to their own opinion eh?

mindi;
- justins fight for access etc would be the story. he would discover hes the daddy and donate to save his child. then whilst dealing with the grief, guilt re:becca he has to fight to save his relationship with katy as she struggles with the memory of his first love and not being no.1 in his life anymore.

on top he has to decide to go to the courts to get his son and then maybe he wont be the primary care giver - but he will have access as they cant stop him having access as he has no criminal conviction, mental illnes, etc, anything which would stop him having access. at some point he will have to rename his son - legally and in a naming ceremony/ christening to burton and might get rid of the middle name vincent as well as he has nowt to do with jakes grandad (the middle name). he might have to fight to get nancy and mum to agree with that as they might want him to be named hayton, there might have to be a compromise or one side might reluctantly givein, as a midle name he might name him after his dad for eg, or her dad. (ok im rambling here).

the fight for the right to be a dad to his son would be his story as jakes life collapsing around him is his.

maybe justin doesnt have custody but after proving his worth as a daddy, he could go again, but all of that is pointless as the fight is the story.

and unknown, i agree, a rocking debate on this forum, which im enjoying as we are all being allowed to write our p.o.v freely.

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Originally posted by fluffylynlyn:
How has Justin done nastier things than Jake. He put Becca in prison yes which resulted in her death but Jake has killed someone, kidnapped Justin, beat him up numorous times, he's homophobic(which frankly these days has no place in our society-there is nothing wrong with being gay!!) and lets not forget what he is doing to Nancy. Reading the spoilers for this week he is getting worse and Nancy reluctantly goes along with the naming ceremony and with his proposal. All these things make Justin much better and i think being a dad will mature him. Jake doesnt deserve Charlie or happiness quite frankly so lets hope he leaves the programme when the truth about Charlie and what he is doing to Nancy is out. I think Justin will be a good dad if given the chance and Warren and Louise will bond with the baby and realise he isnt as bad as he is made out to be by the community. They will help him when Katy leaves when Justin will struggle to cope with looking about a 1 year old who has effectively ended his relationship.

he punched his mum in the face. pushed his step sister threw a window bullied his step brother and pushed claire off a balcany and used becas money which they needed for the baby on an engagement ring

What Jake did when he run over Mrs Valentine was an accident.
Justin deliberately pushed Clare in cold blood which makes what he did worse.
Also Justin has shown homophobic tendenies and beat up Kris.

As for Justin not convicted for anything it's still on police record, something social services would still look at and consider in any custody battle.

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Originally posted by Odinlord:
What Jake did when he run over Mrs Valentine was an accident.
Justin deliberately pushed Clare in cold blood which makes what he did worse.
Also Justin has shown homophobic tendenies and beat up Kris.

As for Justin not convicted for anything it's still on police record, something social services would still look at and consider in any custody battle.

Ugh I had forgotten that he beat up Kris! Now I hate him more for being a homophobe!

justin didnt beat kris upo cos hes hommphobic, he wanted russ but kris got in the way. jake is homophobic. he wanted to hit russ for the same reason russ wanted warren or jake wanted justin. note they stopped, unlike kidnapper, attempted murderer jake.

he didnt bully ali - he didnt like him, then did but when on drugs he hated everyone - its not an excuse but ali was the one that revealed the secret - shoot the messenger and all that. after he was clean he bonded with ali and hung with macki to protect ali from a racist thug even tho it made him look racist. jake is a bully - justin, becca, nancy newt show this.

his mum was hit yes - but jake hit his wife - just as bad.

i know justin aint no angel but jake is just as bad, that is the point that im making.

and social services would only know of his drug dallianceas he went to a bootcamp sponsored by the social services. he absconded from prison, but that wouldnt be on his record. if the s.s know of it it would be through some other way but it couldnt be used against him. theyd get it in anyway but it is thsi which would be the story - the fight for his kid, a good solicitor would make the courts see him in a good lioght re the absconding etc. if he hadnt custody, hed have access and then hed have to prove his worth. this is the point im making - to prove his worth.

and all of justin badthings dont necessarily stop him being a good dad - let him fail and then judge him. he can only be better than jake who uses charlie as a bargaining tool for emotional blackmail, fobs him off on others and doesnt do good parenting when actually has him.

It's also worth thinking about the fact that Justin went through all these troubles as a teenager. It's quite clear the writers have made him grow up and he's becoming more down-to-earth, sensible and likable as he does so.

Jake, on the other hand, is a grown man. A prejudice, abusive, small-minded, manipulative, frankly unstable man. Jake is my least favourite character on Hollyoaks right now.

exactly. justins youth is not an excuse however. but he doesnt use it, or his grief as one.

unlike jake who used the affair as an axcuse to beat a woman, then a boy, kidnap a boy, attempt to murder a boy and wallow in self pity and drink, before getting behind the wheel of a car. then her death for his nancy behaviour. he might have accidentally hit mrs v but he deliberately ran away and deliberately didnt call an ambulance which migtt have saved her from dying.

justin on clare was in the heat of the moment when he heard her slag of his sisters - it was just as accidental as jakes drunk drive hit and run.

justin still has issues eg. the clare thing showed theres potential temper and he runs away when the going gets tough but all of that is immaterial as to how good a dad hed be, and id rather my dad ran away in an argument than threw mny mun around the room by her hair anyday. hed run so as to not turn violent. unlike jakey wakey.