i really wasn't expecting that about eko. i dunno if i feel it's a good think or not. i don't think it fitted the character and i've lost all empathy with eko now. dramatically speaking good twist though. it's very implausible but then little isn't in lost. i'm only watching to find out if there's a rational explaination. which i doubt - i'm sure 'god' or some other type of fictional explaination will be used...when it ends in like the year 2056. when they die of old age.

Well where do I even start, I didn’t see this coming at all!

Firstly Charlie, I don’t know if I want to kill him or take him home with me and look after him. I really don’t think he is using again, but he didn’t help his cause with Claire at all by lying to her. I do have my suspicions that he is gathering up those statues as some sort of test, like he is punishing himself, He did say to Claire “I feel safer having them around” or words to that effect. When I did see that he had at least half a dozen statues I was flinging things at the TV!

I understand that though our survivors are right to be suspicious of the Tailies Charlie would have made his life much easier by not lying to Eko, about the planes location. I really didn’t see the point of it and I wonder if he knew that Eko would want to get rid of the Drugs like he did and my only thought is that he didn’t want that to happen, which makes me really sad. I do hope that maybe this is the start of a strong friendship between Charlie and Eko, as I think he is in dire need of some guidance.

Mr Eko, I thought the opening scene of this episode was a good as any that we have seen, we found out that this is how Eko got his name Mr Eko, and I can only imagine the pain of saving his brothers life only to be ripped from the only family that he seemed to have. I can only imagine what “the others” did to him when they took him! I know he has killed at least 2 people we seen and been partly responsible for his brother’s death, but I just can’t see him as a “baddy” at the moment. I know that he killed the 2 men that he was doing the drugs deal with, but I think his heart was in the right place he did genuinely want to make sure that the drugs got out of Nigeria. When he let that boy live it was obvious the pain that was in his eyes and the prospect of what happened to him, happen to someone else, a little like history repeating its self. I’m sure he could see himself in the little boy.


Note the serious similarity with “the others” in Nigeria taking Children and “our others” apparent obsession with them. I am still thinking about this, and the possibility of the Black Rock coming from this area of the world too.

I do honestly believe that he never completely turned his back on his faith, and as he said “I did what I needed to, to survive” and sometimes that is just how life is. I was angry at him using the statues to hide the drugs in, but I don’t think there was another option considering that he was using a missionary plane, that would have been the safest way to get the drugs out of the country. I don’t, like many of you will probably, believe that he knew the plane was on the island, I think he may have been out looking for his “Friends” but when Claire told him about the Statue, he was completely shocked.

Now the Monster, why does it sound mechanical when it is only black smoke, is the black smoke THE monster, or is it just a cover for THE monster? Did it see in Eko what it also seen in Locke, as their reactions were quite similar? Oh so many questions and as usual no answers.

Again we seen how Eko has exceptional hearing, rather like he is in tune with the island, it makes me wonder if he was just an ordinary passenger on Flight 815?

One thing I did notice is that there were no dates at all in the episode and I really would like to know how long ago it was, I am sure that Jack said the priest had been there for about 5 years but that wasn’t exact?? I do think that Eko did return to his faith, I don’t know if he would have got away with replacing his brother as village priest though.

One little thing, just re the Charlie and Eko interaction again, it reminded me of The Moth with Locke and Charlie and I hope the writers are not trying to replace Locke?

I thought the recital of The Lord is my Shepard was absolutely beautiful, and that’s 3 times it has brought tears to my eyes, I thought it was very appropriate and I loved how Charlie joined in. Its a personal favourite of mine, and well it holds true for most people even the less religious.

Ok I know this was all over the shop, I was just writing as I was thinking but one last thought, Will the F.O.E survive this?

Is it possible to give an episode 12/10?

One more thing!

I wonder if Yemi, Eko's brother is involved somehow, it was just something I sensed when he was trying to stop Eko from getting on the plane!

Will need to think about it some more!

Great post Mushi. Another thing I noticed was that Eko's brother had hair on his head (when he picked him up to craddle him) and when he got on the plane he had a shaved head. Do you think this means something? did they stop off some where else before hand, did they crash then survive......?

Ok. I really don't have Long so I'm just gonna do I brief look over.

Wow...that was fantastic. A really good eppy, with lots of twists.

First off - EKO!!!! My goodness, what a flashback. I was so shocked that he was a bad guy. I mean, not just a bad guy...but an evil man. But still, I was shocked when his brother got shot. I didn't want that to happen, I wanted Eko to stay with his brother. Ironic how he still ended up on the island anyway!

Then - THE BLACK SMOKE!!! What the heck was that? And why didn't it hurt Eko? Come on...admit it, who jumped when it crashed through the jungle. Did y'all see the lightening, or like...electrical light flashed in it? I was so freaked....I mean, what was it?

Fnally - Sawyer. Awww....getting his hair cut. I was way nervous when Kate was holding thoe scissors near his neck...I yelled. But I love how, "everyone loves him now" it's so cute. The concern in Hurley's eyes...the offer of friendship. And then Mike, checking Sawyer was ok. Did you see Sawyer trying to supress a slight smile, and then snapping, "Don't even say a word" or something like that. It was so cute...and surprisingly made me cry.

And Sawyer, Kate and Jack in the musical montage at the end. Awww...I mean, Jack and sawyer seemed like friends...my baby's being accepted! Loved it...

Oh, and Charlie Pace...bad boy!

Mike - careful, I think it's a trick.

But yes...it was a fabulous episode, but perhaps not quite enough Sawyer as I would've liked.

(The E4 eppy was fab too! )

did anyone else see the forms in the black smoke? i think i saw some people when the 'lightening' flashes happened. i kept rewinding and replaying but they were flashed so briefly it's hard to make out. one looked a bit like the virgin Mary? if someone has screen caps we could probably see. someone suggested earlier in the thread they were images from his past. spooky
i though charlie had quite an evil look on his face when he was looking at his stash of statues, did anyone else?
and why doesn't michael tell anyone about his communication with walt (is that's who it is)?
i didn't understand how the computer screen was blank when jack looked at it.

Yet another truely stella episode last night..I knew Eko was layered..but not that layered..wow!

I loved his whole backstory..the way he saved his brother and as a result of this sacrifice it was he who lost his way..lost his faith [to an extent]. Yet he still wanted to do good things for his people despite the way life had conditioned him. When he sliced those men's throats I was shocked..very shocked..but after a while i understood..they were infiltrating his country with drugs..Eko wanted to get them out..he wanted to serve his country and use his position to protect his people..even if in the eyes of many he had become a bad man.

At last we saw the real Charlie in this episode..ive waited long and hard to have him back on top form and now it's clear that Claire is the one who rounded off his edge..he's far more interesting without her..his whole journeyt into the jungle with Eko was fantastic..and i loved the way they both said the prayer together...that has to be one of the most beautiful moments in Lost for me..and then at the end, just when i think that maybe..just maybe Charlie's faith has been restored..we see that he's got a whole stash of drugs..and then that little look..oh my..pure class, what a great ending!

Oh and the black smoke..my oh my..what can i say?..EKo is fearless! Oh and there's more..much more..but i need a cup of coffee first

That was a fairly average episode.

I love the way the guy playing Eko dosn't bother to act. He just says everything in that monotomous cod-african drawl whilst gazing away into the distance. In fact, he seems to playing almost exactly the same character as the one he played in Oz (the jamaican drug dealer psycho)

Charlie is an utter a*se and I hope he gets eaten by a monster/polar bear soon

There was no advance on the plot from last week. Where was the follow up about Michael talking to Walt on the computer? Oh thats right, it was hardly there. The writers thought we would be more interested in Ekos spiritual redemption. I thought when he started hugging his dead brother his rotting head was gonna fall off in his hands!

Oh, and by the way. If any of you watched the 'next time on Lost' bit at the end of the programme, then that pretty much covers the entire next episode so theres no need to watch it now

peace brothers and sisters

Wow what an episode, I have been waiting a whole week to discuss this.

First of all the smoke, I definately saw images in it, and having paused and played it back frame by frame, I think that there were several images linked to Eko. I definately saw a church and the face of a man and I think also the virgin Mary. Did Locke see a similar thing, only with images of his past/subconcious? I don't know whether the smoke is 'Pre-programmed' to show images related to the individual or whether it smehow sees into people's minds. It was interesting that Eko and Locke had a similar reaction to the smoke in that they both stood there starign at it. Is this why Locke wasn't scared of it in Exodus??

Secondly - the drugs plane. I was blown away by the fact that this plane was one that Eko had sent off. If Eko had managed to get on the drugs plane, he would have ended up on the island anyway. Could it be that the whole scenario was designed to get Eko onto the island. Could EKo be the key to why they are all there?
Also, he didn't seem particularly suprised to find the plane there. When Claire mentioned about the statue he immediately asked to see it as if he knew it would be one of his and had been waiting for someone to mention a statue so that he could find the plane. Did he already knew that the plane had crashed on this island?
Did Eko have something to do with the 815 crash?
Was he trying to get to his plane?

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Originally posted by Miss Piggy:

Also, he didn't seem particularly suprised to find the plane there.

I thought he was very shocked personally.

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When Claire mentioned about the statue he immediately asked to see it as if he knew it would be one of his and had been waiting for someone to mention a statue so that he could find the plane.

I think his reaction was logical..at first he only asked to see the statue..i would do the same thing..i mean those statues are the reason why his brother got shot, i would think such a mention of 'virgin mary statues' would raise his attention just like it did.

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Did he already knew that the plane had crashed on this island?

Doubt it..he would've gone looking for it ages ago if he knew if had crashed. All he knows is that it's a very strange island and that the pieces are beginning to come together..i doubt he knew anything else.

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Did Eko have something to do with the 815 crash?

I really doubt it.
Was he trying to get to his plane?[/QUOTE]

I just think that it is too much of a coincidence that Eko ends up on the island with the plane that he nearly boarded 5 years ago

I thought this was a really great episode. I always felt that there was a darker side to Eko...admittidly he did kill two of the others on the island but that was probably in self defence. I agree with what has been said that Eko did have his country's interests at heart when trying to get the drugs out of the country, but the fact remains that Eko seemed to have a pretty widespread reputation for being a man you don't mess with. As he said to his brother that drugs was not his usual business, you gotta wonder what then is his usual business that could instill so much fear from the locals??

The black smoke...wow....never saw that coming!!! I reckon the black cloud thing is some kind of scout for the part of the security system that rips up the trees...checking out what is head etc. I'm sure everyone also noticed how the black smoke can retain its form....if it were gaseous it would dissipate and diffuse outward.....the fact that it can maintain a cloud form is very interesting......as were the images from Eko's past that flashed up in the smoke. This isn't the first time the black smoke has displayed images: In Exodous when Kate throws the dynamite down the hole Locke is being pulled down, when the black smoke comes out and hovers above Jack's head, there is an image in the smoke of two of the guys off the boat that kidnapped Walt. I did make a thread about this (twice) but for some reason it got munched (twice)!!

As for Charlie and the drugs...I don't think he is using again because he knows that he could lose so much if he does. I can understand why Charlie has the stash of statues in the hole.....my grandad did a similar thing when he quit smoking: he would always have one cigarette sitting somewhere obvious like on the fireplace as a daily reminder of what he had given up....he would look at the cigerette and think 'You are not my friend....I will not smoke you'. I think it is the same for Charlie.

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Charlie is an utter a*se and I hope he gets eaten by a monster/polar bear soon

Charlies not an arse! Charlie's cool! He is just misunderstood and lacks faith in himself....

I thought that the smoke looked like it was taking pictures, or scanning something. It sounded like an old printer or scanning machine

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I just think that it is too much of a coincidence that Eko ends up on the island with the plane that he nearly boarded 5 years ago

See thats the thing..is it coincidence..or is it fate? [man-made fate btw]..it could be argued that there have been loads of [so-called] 'coincidences'..Jack's dad, the whispers, the characters paths crossing in their backstories etc etc..surely there comes a time when all of this stops being a 'coincidence' and we start to realise that everything was manufactured by the island. I reall y doubt that Eko had anything to do with the plane crashing..how and why would he?

Also, like i touched upon above, there have been loads of so-called coincidences..for me, this is just another evidence of [man-made] . In fact Eko himself said in WKD, "do not mistake coincidence for fate"..Eko knwos that all of this has the feel of a greater power at work [by 'greater power' i mean man/science/dharma/hanso = the island, hence man-made fate]

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Miss Piggy:
I just think that it is too much of a coincidence that Eko ends up on the island with the plane that he nearly boarded 5 years ago

See thats the thing..is it coincidence..or is it fate? [man-made fate btw]..it could be argued that there have been loads of [so-called] 'coincidences'..Jack's dad, the whispers, the characters paths crossing in their backstories etc etc..surely there comes a time when all of this stops being a 'coincidence' and we start to realise that everything was manufactured by the island. I reall y doubt that Eko had anything to do with the plane crashing..how and why would he?

Also, like i touched upon above, there have been loads of so-called coincidences..for me, this is just another evidence of [man-made] fate. In fact Eko himself said in WKD, "do not mistake coincidence for fate"..Eko knwos that all of this has the feel of a greater power at work [by 'greater power' i mean man/science/dharma/hanso = the island, hence man-made fate].

I think we are both saying the same thing. I think that it was definately engineered in this way that the drugs plane crashed on the island and then Eko ends up on the same island 5(?) years later.
But I wonder if the controllers of the island/the losties lives meant for Mr Eko to be on the drugs plane and to arrive on the island many years earlier. Maybe he was supposed to have been down the hatch with Desmond?
When he was stopped from getting on it, they had to arrange for him to be on flight 815.
I agree that it has been arranged that they are all on the island, but I wonder if the plans for Mr Ekos had to change when he failed to get on the Beechcraft

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Originally posted by Miss Piggy:
I think we are both saying the same thing. I think that it was definately engineered in this way that the drugs plane crashed on the island and then Eko ends up on the same island 5(?) years later.
But I wonder if the controllers of the island/the losties lives meant for Mr Eko to be on the drugs plane and to arrive on the island many years earlier. Maybe he was supposed to have been down the hatch with Desmond?
When he was stopped from getting on it, they had to arrange for him to be on flight 815.
I agree that it has been arranged that they are all on the island, but I wonder if the plans for Mr Ekos had to change when he failed to get on the Beechcraft

I see..so you're simply questionning whether Eko was actually meant to be on the island earlier [when Yemi and the other man 'crashed' there]..i thought you were saying that Eko KNEW about the 'chain of events' and was somehow involved in bring ing the plane down because he wanted to go to the island to retrieve his brother etc, lol.

So..now that thats all cleared up..yes, i suppose it is possible that Dharma/island [or whoever] planned for Eko to arrive there earlier..afterall it is a mystery how and why the beechcraft got on the island. Perosnally i dont feel that it was planned for him to arrive 5 years ago..i think that maybe it was used as a pre-designed 'tool' to get him to come to Australia..maybe he was told that his missing brothers body was seen in Oz or something? I think once we see his reason for being in Oz all will becme clearer. [just a guess btw]

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Originally posted by discobiscuit:

Charlie is an utter a*se and I hope he gets eaten by a monster/polar bear soon

Charlies not an arse! Charlie's cool! He is just misunderstood and lacks faith in himself....

I thought that the smoke looked like it was taking pictures, or scanning something. It sounded like an old printer or scanning machine

Charlie is an arse

A great weird episode!

Eko was a drug-smuggling warlord sociopathic priest, who could have guessed that? I did however guess he was involved with the drugs plane way back in "...and Found" but this was the best thought out and revealing flashback so far this series. We actually learned something for a change

Charlie is getting less annoying than he had been earlier this season, must have been Claire's influence making him that way.

All of Michael's scenes were excellent, its strange that the person he spends the most time with now is Locke! I loved their first exchange, though I'm pretty sure both of them are now completely insane. The Sawyer scene was good to see, I did feel bad for Michael though when Sawyer didnt really respond because he was embarrassed about it.

Weird computer, was he imagining it? Why did the text just disappear when Jack looked at the screen!? Something tells me that it's not Walt, the way that "he" wanted Michael to be alone was very suspicious. I suspect the Others want Michael out of the way or removed from the rest of the group for some reason and are using this to get him to run off on some hopeless search again. But why? Could it be something to do with those blast doors?