*Hands Roco a bag full of supplies, food, blankets and one of Locke’s knives* Now run, as fast as you can before the Jack-ies catch up with you.
Being serious though – I voted for ‘bad doctor’ because, in my opinion, he doesn’t really care too much about his patients. I can’t remember what it was about but aren’t doctors supposed to supply the best quality care that they can to anyone, even if they are, say, murderers? In regards to this Jack is a bad doctor, because he lets his personal feelings get in the way of how he performs. Such as, like you pointed out, leaving Locke on the ground and walking off when he was hit on the head by a bullet! I know that I’m going to get people coming in here and telling me that circumstances are different on the island but surely, if he had the principles of ‘highest-quality care for all’ then he wouldn’t just abandon them so easily when he’s on the island.
Ii think it boils down to when he told Rose that being a doctor chose him, because of Christian. He obviously didn’t want to be one in the first place, or, if he did, had no chance to do anything else so this could lead to him having resentment over being made, forced into being a doctor. Which is the same thing that they have done on the island to him.
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To be honest I dont think he is stable enough to be a doctor. He gets very worked up and emotional.
I know when he was supposedly trying to save Boone, it must have been hard given the conditions, but he was in my opinion close to having a breakdown, and I know if I were in Boones position I would much rather have had a calm and collected doctor working on me than Jack!
A good doctor will tell you that more than 50% of the job is having a good bedside manner, Jack I am afraid does not possess this. Its not good enough to say "They dont teach you that in Med School" as its something that he should have picked up, I mean I think he has possible been a doctor for about 10years and he came from a doctors family.
Im not going to say that he is a terrible doctor, but given the choice I would rather have medical treatment from someone else, perhaps libby even!
Of course hes a great doctor. his own dad reconises him has such in the real world. On the island he controlled Shannons breathing to a certain extent with that "jedi moment". How many doctors are open to alternative medicine? not many. He saved Roses and Charlies - how long did Charlie hang for, and he nearly saved Boone with very little medical help and dispite the fact the dude had a collapsed lung - even in a hospital that would have been hard to do. He also performed a mircale on Sarah. I think that he did show concern for her child and was noticablly worried, and wanted to make sure of the facts before giving out advice. Given that he was bleeding hes own blood into Boone at the time and afterwards wanted to ask Locke a few questions (lets be honest why wouldnt he not) Plus useful medical treatment from Sun? what medical treatment? Any good doctor will try to save thier paitent and do what it takes. With regrards to Locke being shot - he could see it was only a scratch so why bother. With regards to Saywer he treated him even though the guy told him not to. Granted it was due to his guilt but it must have been tempted to let him die. With regards to Claire he followed his docotors logic and tried to make her see sense. Yes ok hes bed side manner sucks but at least can we give him that? With reagards to the key, he knew what was in it and didnt want guns to fall into the worng hands and was doing it to protect the rest of the group. In terms of his doctor ethics - well the situation they are in is going to stetch these a little but gernerally they are good - trying to save has many has possible, making sure of the saftey of the group are those not good ethics?
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Roco...you're like me with Kate, never give her any slack! LOL!
- Yes, he was unable to help Shannon, but he did stop her going into Panic, he seemed to calm her until Sun made the eucalyptus available.
- This one I'm with you. Poor sweet Sawyer, he didn't say either way if he had the inhalers but Jack was quite happy to go along with the torture. This was unethical, and I was very disappointed. However, ya gotta give him some credit for stopping Sayid. And then saving Sawyer's life. Thank god.
- I think in the case of Charlie Jack started as a professional and then his desperation took over. He just wanted to save his friend.
- Jack saved Sarah in a way, he did say it was possible that she could walk. In fact this could show what a good doctor he is.
- Claire was stressed. Um...I'm not a fan of her...can't argue.
- Now this one, again I was horrified at Jack for this behaviour. How dare he threaten Sawyer with medication, especially if it involves Sawyer. Damn Kate!
- The Locke thing...I was with Shannon, so I don't feel I could do anything but applaud Jack.
- Claire was fine. Boone was dying. Like I said not a fan of Claire.
- If Locke had told Jack about Boone it would have eased his suffering earlier as Jack would have been able to tend to him in the correct way!
Off the island I feel he may have been a good doctor, perhaps even a great doctor, but on the island, I think with his stress....he's just lucky. But without the stress, he would be good.
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Originally posted by Beach Crew: Roco...you're like me with Kate, never give her any slack! LOL!
- Yes, he was unable to help Shannon, but he did stop her going into Panic, he seemed to calm her until Sun made the eucalyptus available.
- This one I'm with you. Poor sweet Sawyer, he didn't say either way if he had the inhalers but Jack was quite happy to go along with the torture. This was unethical, and I was very disappointed. However, ya gotta give him some credit for stopping Sayid. And then saving Sawyer's life. Thank god.
- I think in the case of Charlie Jack started as a professional and then his desperation took over. He just wanted to save his friend.
- Jack saved Sarah in a way, he did say it was possible that she could walk. In fact this could show what a good doctor he is.
- Claire was stressed. Um...I'm not a fan of her...can't argue.
- Now this one, again I was horrified at Jack for this behaviour. How dare he threaten Sawyer with medication, especially if it involves Sawyer. Damn Kate!
- The Locke thing...I was with Shannon, so I don't feel I could do anything but applaud Jack.
- Claire was fine. Boone was dying. Like I said not a fan of Claire.
- If Locke had told Jack about Boone it would have eased his suffering earlier as Jack would have been able to tend to him in the correct way!
Off the island I feel he may have been a good doctor, perhaps even a great doctor, but on the island, I think with his stress....he's just lucky. But without the stress, he would be good.
thanks beachy, you more or less put that better than I did!
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How many of you actually know a Doctor? and I dont just mean the visit to your GP, I mean personally know a doctor as if you did you would know that Matthew has put no work into the medical side of his character!
Originally posted by Audio Pineapple: *Hands Roco a bag full of supplies, food, blankets and one of Locke’s knives* Now run, as fast as you can before the Jack-ies catch up with you.
Being serious though – I voted for ‘bad doctor’ because, in my opinion, he doesn’t really care too much about his patients. I can’t remember what it was about but aren’t doctors supposed to supply the best quality care that they can to anyone, even if they are, say, murderers? In regards to this Jack is a bad doctor, because he lets his personal feelings get in the way of how he performs. Such as, like you pointed out, leaving Locke on the ground and walking off when he was hit on the head by a bullet! I know that I’m going to get people coming in here and telling me that circumstances are different on the island but surely, if he had the principles of ‘highest-quality care for all’ then he wouldn’t just abandon them so easily when he’s on the island.
Ii think it boils down to when he told Rose that being a doctor chose him, because of Christian. He obviously didn’t want to be one in the first place, or, if he did, had no chance to do anything else so this could lead to him having resentment over being made, forced into being a doctor. Which is the same thing that they have done on the island to him.
*Grabs a bag and runs as well.*
What a good post! I pretty much agree with all of the points you made AP. Youre also right in raising the fact that he told Rose that 'he was born into it' [OWTTE]..this helps illustrate why he appears to have a lack of passion for medicine [imo]..he cries a lot but for me that is not 'passion' and he doesnt seem to enjoy his job/role. That was also highlighted in his MOSMOF flashback. I also agree that he allows his personal feelings to cloud his judgement, therefore hidering him in making the right decisions.
Originally posted by esn: thanks beachy, you more or less put that better than I did!
LOL! No problem huni.
What's weird is that Jack isn't my fave, we all know who my fave is right? But he's a good guy, and I just think it's unfair the way people are judging him...
Espeically, as Snowy said...he saved Sawyer!
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The thing is why would his Dad, who had been hard on him all of his life tell him hes probably the best doctor in the city? and then later tell Sawyer that hes a good, probably a great doctor and that hes a better doctor than he will ever be? surely thats enough indication that Jacks okish at worst?
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Originally posted by esn: thanks beachy, you more or less put that better than I did!
LOL! No problem huni.
What's weird is that Jack isn't my fave, we all know who my fave is right? But he's a good guy, and I just think it's unfair the way people are judging him...
Espeically, as Snowy said...he saved Sawyer!
agreed im not has concerned about Saywer but hes done alright given the circumstanes. Think it would be hard not to be "unstable" - I ask, how much would you change if you were on that island?
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Originally posted by esn: The thing is why would his Dad, who had been hard on him all of his life tell him hes probably the best doctor in the city? and then later tell Sawyer that hes a good, probably a great doctor and that hes a better doctor than he will ever be? surely thats enough indication that Jacks okish at worst?
Well I personally feel that Christian is an agent-of-the-island so the things he said could have been a set-up.
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Originally posted by Mushi: *Prepares to get slaughtered by the Jack fans*
To be honest I dont think he is stable enough to be a doctor. He gets very worked up and emotional.
I know when he was supposedly trying to save Boone, it must have been hard given the conditions, but he was in my opinion close to having a breakdown, and I know if I were in Boones position I would much rather have had a calm and collected doctor working on me than Jack!
A good doctor will tell you that more than 50% of the job is having a good bedside manner, Jack I am afraid does not possess this. Its not good enough to say "They dont teach you that in Med School" as its something that he should have picked up, I mean I think he has possible been a doctor for about 10years and he came from a doctors family.
Im not going to say that he is a terrible doctor, but given the choice I would rather have medical treatment from someone else, perhaps libby even!
I agree Mush, he's too unstable for me. I wouldnt like him treating me. You would think that after all that time in med school and working at St. Sebastians that he would have picked up some bedside manner. I understand that this isnt perhaps the career path that he personally would have liked to have taken, but when people's lives are at stake sure you have to be more stable and more 'interested' in medicine. I keep thinking back to MOSMOF flashback when he just seemed disinterested [before he med Sarah] and it seems that this lack of passion is still redundant within him. He has loads of emotion but it's not constructive emotion and it doesnt amount to 'passion', it simply amounts to him battling against things which still haunt him from his past imo.
I remember Christian trying to get him to have more 'faith' [suprisingly] and adopt a more 'hopeful' outlook with his medical approach and I wonder if Sarah's so-called miracle was in fact organised by Christian/Dharma in order to 'open his sons eyes'?
Originally posted by esn: The thing is why would his Dad, who had been hard on him all of his life tell him hes probably the best doctor in the city? and then later tell Sawyer that hes a good, probably a great doctor and that hes a better doctor than he will ever be? surely thats enough indication that Jacks okish at worst?
Well I personally feel that Christian is an agent-of-the-island so the things he said could have been a set-up.
Maybe but if Jack werent any cop has a doctor he simply would have been fired long a go surely
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to be fair it wasn't particularly flattering but it wasn't THAT bad!!
Ps I voted terrible!
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Originally posted by KoR-evo: Im not being funny..but..is he?
Im not referring to Jack them man here [well, maybe a little ]..but as a doctor, is he any good?
The reason why im questioning his medical ability/ethics is as follows:
-He was unable to help Shannon with her breathing..it was Sun who 'saved' her with her idea to use eucalyptus as an alternative for the inhalers. He did help Shannon. He sat with her and calmed her breathing because he knew she was having a panic attack rather than a full on asthma attack. My mum has asthma, and when she had an attack that was the first thing she was told to do was control her breathing, then she was given a nebuliser. Since Jack doesn't have these things to hand, I feel he done the best job he could there..
-Jack tortured a man for those inhalers..i mean, how bad is this? He almost killed a man to save the life of another human being, based on no 'firm' evidence that Sawyer was witholding the inhalers. Is this right? ..Surely not! Ok..JACK DID NOT TORTURE SAWYER!!! SAYID DID..Yes, Jack stood by and watched, and yes I was appaulled by it, I didn't agree with it and still don't. But he did not torture him at all...
-Jack saved Charlie..yes, but im sure it was more down to luck than anything you know. I mean, the way he hamnmered at his chest, whilst it is a medical technique it also appeared that he was just, well, hitting and hoping. The technique used on Charlie is a medical one. Whether he was hitting and hoping or not, I don't know, I mean, he did seem pretty despreate, but it was his friend..They had become close by then. It worked though...It was a medical technique and it worked..
-Jack may think that he 'fixed' Sarah..but how could he have..he doesnt believe in miracles does he? Surely Sarah regained the use of her le
and I dont just mean the visit to your GP, I mean personally know a doctor as if you did you would know that Matthew has put no work into the medical side of his character! 
to be fair it wasn't particularly flattering but it wasn't THAT bad!!