The pivotal point of the episode was when Micheal told Sayid that Walt had been taken from the raft. This started to convince Sayid that the shooting had been manipulated in some way and that it wasn't entirely AL's fault.
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Although I wouldn't have hated him forever, Sayid would have lost my respect if he had killed AL.
My reason, well low and behold my reason stems from Sawyer.
When she was sayid that she's already dead, and he might as well just kill her it reminded me SO much of Sawyer and the many times he's put himself in danger to end his suffering. Now, many people like Jack nd Mike have noticed this, and have prevented it from happening.
Last night, and as much as it pains me to say this, Ana Lucia was acting like Sawyer...if he'd have killed her it wouldn't have been right. She was sucicidal, and to kill someone in that frame of mind is just wrong.
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Well he had the chance to take revenge and kill her put he decided not to because that is not the person Sayid is. Perhaps the old Sayid may have killed her but after what he did to Sawyer and the remorse he felt after that. I think Ana Lucia could learn a lot from Sayid and hopefully he will help her with guilt issues etc.
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Some good answers here, and I agree he should not have killed her. I like the point Beach Crew made that Ana Lucia is acting the way Sawyer did - self-destructive. She must truly be in a dark place of self-loathing right now. I also agree with Fluffy Bunny, that she could learn a lot from Sayid. Full marks to Sayid for showing compassion and intelligence even in the wake of his tragic loss of Shannon - the mark of a civilised man (not a savage).
Originally posted by Username815: The pivotal point of the episode was when Micheal told Sayid that Walt had been taken from the raft. This started to convince Sayid that the shooting had been manipulated in some way and that it wasn't entirely AL's fault.
Sayid did the right thing.
Hmm, good point and well observed regarding Mike telling him about the Others and Walt..come to think of it that did seem to get him 'thinking'..the question is, will he admit it to himslef..or will he stay in blissful denial..
This is difficult to say as I've just condoned AL taking justice on another thread. But here goes.
If Sayid had killed Ana Lucia, most viewers would have understood it - but it would not be in keeping with Sayid's character. As it is, your already healthy respect for Sayid grows by a power of ten. The whole scene is a dramatic device to contrast Sayid with AL - he has reason enough to take revenge on AL but realises that he will gain nothing by doing so. HOWEVER he is still in shock with the whole Shannon thing - which might explain his inaction. We don't know that he has let AL off the hook - we don't know whether he will bear a more slow burning grudge that will bring fruition in future.
Originally posted by LostCrab: This is difficult to say as I've just condoned AL taking justice on another thread. But here goes.
If Sayid had killed Ana Lucia, most viewers would have understood it - but it would not be in keeping with Sayid's character. As it is, your already healthy respect for Sayid grows by a power of ten. The whole scene is a dramatic device to contrast Sayid with AL - he has reason enough to take revenge on AL but realises that he will gain nothing by doing so. HOWEVER he is still in shock with the whole Shannon thing - which might explain his inaction. We don't know that he has let AL off the hook - we don't know whether he will bear a more slow burning grudge that will bring fruition in future.
The way Ana Lucia took revenge with Jason was a completely different scenario to the shooting of Shannon. He deliberately shot her 4 times. The death of Shannon was an accident. Although I wish she showed a bit more remorse earlier on instead of going all mental with the gun. I think deep down Sayid knew this as well. That's why he didn't take revenge.
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Originally posted by Beach Crew: Roco, you're making me test my loyalty to the original Lostees, and it shocks me what I'm about to say.
Although I wouldn't have hated him forever, Sayid would have lost my respect if he had killed AL.
He wouldnt have lost my respect but i would have understood more if he just shot her straight after he realised she had killed Shannon but since he had time to think about it, it would have been terrible had he killed her like that.
I think it differs from AL's slaughtering of the swine-Jason because he showned no remorse what what he did whereas Al was truely sorry..in fact she knows what it's like to lose someone to a bullet. Like several have said, they can kinda identify with each other in this respect.
When Sayid 'let her off' I was so proud of him, the guy is really remarkable, he does things with so much class and dignity..although he is a bit too reserved from my liking at times. Buts thats neither here nor there right now, lol
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When she was sayid that she's already dead, and he might as well just kill her it reminded me SO much of Sawyer and the many times he's put himself in danger to end his suffering.
Exactly..i swear I heard my heart break when she offered him the chance to kill her..she looks so defenceless..so lost. Aww..and then at the end when she saw Jack..her ickle eye's looked so sad..
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Last night, and as much as it pains me to say this, Ana Lucia was acting like Sawyer...if he'd have killed her it wouldn't have been right. She was sucicidal, and to kill someone in that frame of mind is just wrong.
Quite simply Sayid is a better man than Ana-Lucia. While he instinctively reached for his gun in the heat of the moment he had time to reflect on what Michael had said and decided Ana having to live with herself was more than a suitable punishment. Even though everyone else will now have to live with her in the process...
Ana on the other hand took a long time to reflect on it, months, and came to the conclusion shooting her assailant several times then pumping a few extra rounds into his corpse just for fun was the right thing to do.
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Sayid shouldnt shoot her but he shouldnt let it drop....
it may be of been accident but if Ana Lucia didnt get to happy with her gun then she wouldnt of shot Shannon in the first place...yeah i can understand that the whispers were there and they were all scared...but of all the people who should know...Ana should know that you dont fire at the first thing that moves!...it would be more understandable if she didnt know about the main guys...but she did!! and she knew that they could appear any second like Michael/Jin/Sawyer did...so could the Others...
Ana should of been more careful and watched and waited to see what came out the bushes..instead of firing out of impulse and tactics...
Also i dont think she should of tied up Sayid...yeah i know hes angry and shes scared that he might kill her! but its still no reason....Sayid already lost one love in his life and now his rebound love had been killed....he needs to grieve...not be tied up.....
They should of tried to calm down Sayid a little and i do think that Michael could have got involved more! tried talking to him....
In the long run i hope he doesnt make it easy for Ana...i mean dont make it last forever...but a few episodes....show his emotions...but just not let her off the hook....
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Originally posted by mantis_zero: Quite simply Sayid is a better man than Ana-Lucia.
Well I should think so considering Ana-Lucia is a female and not a man
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While he instinctively reached for his gun in the heat of the moment he had time to reflect on what Michael had said and decided Ana having to live with herself was more than a suitable punishment. Even though everyone else will now have to live with her in the process...
Heyy, that last part was uncalled for!
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Ana on the other hand took a long time to reflect on it, months, and came to the conclusion shooting her assailant several times then pumping a few extra rounds into his corpse just for fun was the right thing to do.
Ok fair enough she was maybe a tad over-zealous on the old revenge thing..maybe 6 bullets would have been sufficient? But i suppose it just goes to show just how much pain the sc umbag had caused her..she was in a pretty bad place [mentally and emotionally] and lets face it she was kinda unstable at the time. But if I was to say did the guy deserve it and can I undertsand her doing what she did? I would have to say yes..in fact I think he was lucky not to have a few more rounds lodged in his corpse. Dont forget he killed her baby..who knows what that child could have grown up to become?
Obviously ive never had a child killed in my womb and I cant imagine the pain and resentment that must cause..but for someone like her to lose a child must be devastating..also consider the fact that she didnt appear to have the best of relationships with her own mother..she must have dreamed that once she had her daughter/son that she would be as close and loving towards them as possible.
I have more pity for Ethan and Badwin than I do jason.
No I don't think Sayid should have taken revenge. I think from her actions Sayid must have realised she was derranged enough already by what she did. Didn't she say she was dead inside, so nothing he would do would make it any worse for her.
She was leading her troops through dangerous territory. She instictively shot to kill. Whose to say Sayid has never been in that situation himself. He doesn't seem a man to need revenge.
No , he shouldn't of killed her . Possibly if she had killed Shannon purposly , but I find killing her for something she did accidently incredibly harsh . Tying up Sayid wasn't that bad an idea for Ana . It gave him a chance to calm down and understand the situation better . Also it's just not Sayid's style I don't think . He's a very fair , understanding character .
Originally posted by Laura5678: He shouldnt have killed her. what good would it do?
Given her closure in the short term. Obviously she wasnt thinking too far ahead and the guilt which now seems to plague her. Because despite everything I do sense that she does feel 'some' [i would like to emphasise the word 'some']remorse for killing Jason.
I suppose at least we now know exactly what AL meant in Exodus when she told Jack:
"Dont worry, the hardest part is over"
..she was indeed talking from experience. Ironic in a way..this would indicate that she was just getting over killing Jason and getting 'used to the pain' [figure of speech btw]of losing her child and then 48 days later, island events bring then colliding back to her..poor girl!
Originally posted by Laura5678: He shouldnt have killed her. what good would it do?
Given her closure in the short term. Obviously she wasnt thinking too far ahead and the guilt which now seems to plague her. Because despite everything I do sense that she does feel 'some' [i would like to emphasise the word 'some']remorse for killing Jason.
I suppose at least we now know exactly what AL meant in Exodus when she told Jack:
"Dont worry, the hardest part is over"
..she was indeed talking from experience. Ironic in a way..this would indicate that she was just getting over killing Jason and getting 'used to the pain' [figure of speech btw]of losing her child and then 48 days later, island events bring then colliding back to her..poor girl!
D'oh! ..Just realised this is Sayid were talking about [wrong thread!]..got AL on the brain, lol
Originally posted by Snowy~Owl: No I don't think Sayid should have taken revenge. I think from her actions Sayid must have realised she was derranged enough already by what she did. Didn't she say she was dead inside, so nothing he would do would make it any worse for her.
She was leading her troops through dangerous territory. She instictively shot to kill. Whose to say Sayid has never been in that situation himself. He doesn't seem a man to need revenge.
I agree..althought her death may have given him some sort of bitter-sweet sense of justice..it wouldnt have lasted long for a man like Sayid. He realised that [unlike Jason] AL didnt mean to harm Shannon. Like you say it was an instinctive reaction borne out of a climate of fear and [seeming] manipulation by the island and their mischievious 'whispers' etc..
I don't think by any means that Sayid has 'let her off the hook'. Ana has got to live with the knowledge every day that she took a (second) life....someone who was not a thief or murderer but someone who was well liked and loved who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. She took the life from an innocent person and that is going to eat away at her like the torturing ate away at Sayid.
Letting her off the hook would have been to shoot her and put her out her misery since she was practically begging him to.
I don't think Sayid has finished with his revenge on Ana-Lucia by a long shot.
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Originally posted by chelle_b: I don't think by any means that Sayid has 'let her off the hook'. Ana has got to live with the knowledge every day that she took a (second) life....someone who was not a thief or murderer but someone who was well liked and loved who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. She took the life from an innocent person and that is going to eat away at her like the torturing ate away at Sayid.
Letting her off the hook would have been to shoot her and put her out her misery since she was practically begging him to.
I don't think Sayid has finished with his revenge on Ana-Lucia by a long shot.
I would still argue that he has 'let her off the hook' to a degree because surely the fact that he has spared her life means that she can still seek redemption, whereas if he had killed her that would have been out of the question..certainly in terms of redemption as we know it.
I suppose we will only really know whether or not she has been 'let off' in time.
