The Others made Michael promise to just bring the people on the list. No more no less. Had to be those specific people.
So...
Why did they send Hurley back after all that?
They could have sent anyone back. Why demand Hurley just to send HIM home. Why not ask for Charlie or Sayid and send them home.
Is there an alterior motive for getting Hurley there and sending him home again?
Did they do something to him when he was unconcious??

Charlie go......NO!!!!

But no it shouldn't have been Hurls.

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Did they do something to him when he was unconcious??

I didn't think they knocked him out!

Maybe Libby was one of the Others, and she was the only one who wanted Hurley. Know what I mean, she wanted him.

But then Michael killed her. They had a quick poll, and nobody else wanted Hurley.

Ahhhhhhhhhh.

my theory: those people were on the list because they were considered "bad ones".

Hurley was rejected because he had changed.

firstly his mental "instability" was cured by Libby.

and secondly by the death of Libby, which forced him to re-evaluate what was important in Life. instead of being angry and vengeful (like sawyer, kate and jack) Hurley wasn't as angered and nearly decided to stay at camp anyway.

also, he stated that he was only going along to help get Walt back. whereas the other three just wanted a fight.

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Originally posted by kitiara:
The Others made Michael promise to just bring the people on the list. No more no less. Had to be those specific people.
So...
Why did they send Hurley back after all that?
They could have sent anyone back. Why demand Hurley just to send HIM home. Why not ask for Charlie or Sayid and send them home.
Is there an alterior motive for getting Hurley there and sending him home again?
Did they do something to him when he was unconcious??

Maybe they wanted him to get a bit of exercise... lose some weight

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Maybe they wanted him to get a bit of exercise... lose some weight

That's a good one! How is he ever going to find his way back to the beach though.

I have a theory that events during the final stages of Season 2 were deliberately manipulated to mirror the final stages of season 1:

~ The survivors are given false information about the Others by a character trying to get their child back (S1 Dannielle / S2 Michael)

~ 5 characters set off across the island (Sawyer and Michael replace Arzt and Locke, otherwise it's the same characters).

~ The betraying character (Dannielle / Michael)is caught out and tearfully confesses and apologises, although we know they'd do it again if they thought it would help their child. Note, both times it's Sayid who detects the deception.

~ Michael and Walt leave the island on a boat. Jin is also on a boat in both finales.

~ A character of faith attempts (S1 Locke / S2 Eko) to gain access to the hatch by setting off dynamite.

So, I suggest that the Others chose Hurley because he was part of the S1 group to cross the island, and made the numbers right (5 both times). I don't know why the others would do this, but it makes as much sense as anything else they've done!

Also, perhaps they wanted an eye-witness to report back to the Losties' camp. Hurley has a reputation for blabbing everything he knows, and might be considered less threatening to have hanging around than, say, Sayid.

So, I think Hurley had to cross the island with the others to maintain the mirror effect. I don't know why the creators did it this way, but there way too many similarities for it to be accidental.

I thought it was weird that the bird Michael "shot" at shrieked Hurley's name. What was even more weird was that Sawyer heard it too. Why draw so much attention to him? Red Herring? Or is something going to happen to him on the way back?

In keeping with Cavegirl's point, the bird also appeared in the Season 1 finale aswell and may have shrieked his name there too. Spooky...

i think that hurley has changed and that the others sawyer etc are the bad ones or something

cavegirl: Danielle did not give false info about the others, and did not betray any of the survivors. if she did then please refresh my memory.

but on those other points I agree.

and no, sawyer did not hear the bird shout hurley's name. if I remember correctly he was being sarcastic, and made a joke.


also I already said why I think hurley was rejected.

before, when the others have made a list of names, those names have been considered the "good ones". but with this list, i think they are "bad ones", and hurley was rejected because he had changed or was making progress and was no longer considered "bad".

of course it could be the other way around. maybe jack, kate and sawyer are the good ones while hurley was rejected because he was deemed bad.

but its like Henry gale said. the others are the good guys (or at least they think they are). and they are trying hard to segregate themselves from the other islanders in an effort to exclude the "bad apples" and prevent their community being corrupted by sin/evil. maybe they are trying to create some kind of utopian society.

haha! i_luv_dogs!!, did you just copy me, or do you actually think that as well?

btw, at what point do we gain the right to edit our messages?

well done cavey!

Oh was Sawyer being sarcastic? My tv's sound was jumpin about the whole time and I didn't pick up on that. Sorry about that, what exactly happened? All I heard was "Did that just say my name?", "Yeah, it did" FFFFFZZZZZZZZZTTTT static for about 2 minutes

[QUOTE]Originally posted by conduit:
cavegirl: Danielle did not give false info about the others, and did not betray any of the survivors. if she did then please refresh my memory.

She told them that the column of black smoke meant the others were coming, although in fact she had created it herself. She then used the distraction she had created to kidnap Aaron, hoping to trade him for her own child. Later, when Sayid and Charlie caught up with her, she confessed this. Perhaps she did not technically tell a lie (as the Others did come), but she certainly misled them for her child's sake.

Michael's actions were very reminiscent of hers - acting in desperation, doing whatever it took to satisfy the Others, with no strong reason for believing the Others would really give his child back even if he did what they wanted.

'Still' - Yeah, hurley said:

"Did that bird just say my name?"
"Yeah, sure it did, then ( i forget what he actually said, and can't find a transcript -so - ) flew up my ass to kansas"

And cavey - wooooooooooo again

I feel that Hurley was chosen because he wouldn't really put up as much of a fight as Sayid, Jin, Locke, Eko or Charlie, as we've allready seen that when they think they are right, they don't take anything into consideration, they wouldn't turn around and leave and do as they were told. As the others have said they are good people I don't think they'd have chosen Claire or Sun because they have children, well Sun is with child anyway!!
Possibly the only other contender for the messenger would be Bernard.
I like the comparison between the two season endings, I hadn't noticed that but it's quite obvious now you mentioned it. Good spot Cavegirl.
Did the bird really say Hurley's name?? I didn't notice as the shock of the same bird appearing threw me off the scent!! A rewatch on Sunday is on the cards!!

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She told them that the column of black smoke meant the others were coming, although in fact she had created it herself. She then used the distraction she had created to kidnap Aaron, hoping to trade him for her own child. Later, when Sayid and Charlie caught up with her, she confessed this. Perhaps she did not technically tell a lie (as the Others did come), but she certainly misled them for her child's sake.

Michael's actions were very reminiscent of hers - acting in desperation, doing whatever it took to satisfy the Others, with no strong reason for believing the Others would really give his child back even if he did what they wanted.

Rousseau overheard the Others saying they were coming, "For the boy". She assumed they meant baby Aaron, probably because they took her own baby. So she tried to take advantage of what (she thought) was going to happen anyway.

On the other hand, Michael was manipulated by the Others (blackmailed) while Rousseau wasn't. And Rousseau didn't kill anybody.

Apart from those details, you're right - the end of both seasons are remarkably similar. It'd be great if someone can think of a reason for it that relates to the story or characters: I can't, so I reckon it's just 'for drama'.

As for Hurley, I'm with Charlie Rocks. The Others know (through Henry Gale, if no other way) that the rest of the Losties can't agree on anything, so you can't rely on any of them to do a simple job like go back and tell everyone to stay away! They'd all go charging off on missions oof their own!

I think Sawyer said 'yeah sure it did, right before it crapped gold'. Another gem from Sawyer's treasure chest of one-liners (or something).

By the way, well spotted on the similarities between the finales, Cavegirl!

i like the idea that libby could have been an other

Do you?

I think they chose Hurley because he's quite weak and wouldn't put up a fight to save J,K & S. Also, the message they told him to tell the camp would be more significant coming from Hurley as most people like and trust and feel sorry for him so it would just have more effect.

I think choose Hurley because he is the slowest. Those taking the longest to get back to camp. They sent him back so that the losties would know what happened to the others and not assume that they had been involved in an accident.

You see I may be wrong but wasnt Hurley the only one to know the answer to the snowman joke? We discussed on here about him being HIM? at the beginning of S2.
I thought if the Others were arware of that they might want him because of that. Also the bird calling his name and his association with the numbers seems to indicate he is the most likely of the survivors to be the one that should be there, I thought that was why he was special to them. But they only want him to carry a message. Just seemed a bit silly really. If they wanted someone slow what about Bernard or Claire??

Hurley has never said the line "smells like carrots", only Desmond...