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Originally posted by the used:
ace episode, was the first one i kinda guessed the plot twist like, they made it obvious that the canadian dude wasn't the spy by the fact ana lucia suspected him etc i thought it was a well thought out episode but kind of typical at the same time, shame about the slow-mo ending with the dodgy music in the rain. im so confused about 'the others' now like we've seen them, the tailies have fully interacted with one so we know they are human and fairly normal, but at the same time completely unormal, no labels on clothes or anything, and goodwin said to AL "they children are fine" and then something about them being better off, interesting is all i can say. can't wait for next week now as is every week.

Well Goodwin was very like Ethan now. This has also got rid of my thoughts about Ethan not being an other. I definately think he is now as he is too similar to Goodwin. I.e. pretending to be part of the camp etc. They are very similar. Ooooooooo Lost is interesting!

they took the strongest first then the 'good' people and children, they didn't tkae the strongest from the main group though say Sawyer, Jin, Jack, Sayid, Michael, Locke they could and as it turned out were 'threats' to the others perhaps Ethan was assessing the situation because the main group was clearly easier to infiltrate and just decided to take the 'good' Clair and her baby, and Walt was taken by the others on the raft actually that kind of links the different 'other' groups up.

Ah I have to be honest I absolutely hated this episode. I havent really warmed to any of the tailies except Eko, and he hardly said anything... but the main problem for me was Ana Lucia.

I know some people are saying they are starting to her after this, but why? Shes still the same bossy, annoying, arrogant, kill-happy sociapath from previous episodes.

The others never actually killed anyone, they didnt even want Ana and co so why was she so paranoid even after the Goodwin incident? Her treatment of Nathan was inexcusable, and if she had just let him go she could have prevented his death. Goodwin was actually defending himself during their fight aswell, she could have quizzed him more but no she has to go for the stab

Also I dont really care about EXACTLY what happened to the tailies, subsequently moments of tension were ineffective. Will Bernard plunge to his death!? Well no, because hes still alive. Will Goodwin kill Ana? Er, no because we already saw Goodwin impaled on a stick...

One thing of interest - Eko was on the plane. This means he didnt crash in the smugglers craft, but I still have a strong suspicion hes linked to the nigerian "priest". Especially with his religious beliefs becoming so apparant.

I did enjoy this episode but I wanted to scream in frustration as it had the same ending as last week so no further forward in that respect. I'd be really pleased if someone could help my arithmatic as well, 3 taken the first night, then 9, (12) Nathan and Goodwin dead (14), 5 left (19) where are the remaining (was going to use other)4 from the 23 who survived from the 'tailies'?

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Originally posted by smoking-hatch:
they took the strongest first then the 'good' people and children, they didn't tkae the strongest from the main group though say Sawyer, Jin, Jack, Sayid, Michael, Locke they could and as it turned out were 'threats' to the others perhaps Ethan was assessing the situation because the main group was clearly easier to infiltrate and just decided to take the 'good' Clair and her baby, and Walt was taken by the others on the raft actually that kind of links the different 'other' groups up.

My own guess is that the presence of the "security system" prevented the "Others" from making a mass attack on the mid-section castaways. If dear old "Lostzilla" is in fact attending to their security, it might also explain why Rousseau has not - during her sixteen-year stint in the dark territory - been fatally bushwhacked in her sleep, or why the Swan base was never gutted like the Arrow.

Granted, Ethan somehow managed to infiltrate, but it looks as though he was the only one, and had cause to bide his time until he was forced to act (by Hurley's census). He was also seemingly more skilled and powerful than the "Others" Goodwin was acting on behalf of, who seemed to die fairly easily.

I wonder if "good" people in this instance implies moral, useful, or merely flavoursome... Or just how ironic the name "Good-win" is intended to be.

Ok bear with me as this is the 3rd time I have seen this episode.

I agree Mr Eko staying silent for 40 days does most definently make him religious, possibly as we would put it a man of the cloth.

Well least we know now where the teddy bears came from, I found that quite distressing, possibly the female meternal instinct in me reaching out. Talking of maternal insticts I may be wrong but I strongly suspect that Ana Lucia either had a baby or lost a baby at some point, the long pause when Goodwin asked her if she had any Children then the "mothering of the 2 kids, whose names elude me at the moment (did we even find out their names)

Oh and the music, well the drums that covered the last 4 days or so following the Capture of Jin were completely amazing.

I shall add more tomorrow but Im at a bit of a loss right now for words amazing episode, part of me agrees with Beachy that it is the best yet, it is most certainly the most revealing.

Hmmm... maybe I'm just falling into a trap, but I can't help but think Nathan was suspect too (Goodwyn did say he was bad...)

Has Ethan, in your view, ever really fitted into the people on the boat? A group versus one guy. They seem to operate very differently.

So, maybe the Goodwyn-gang are linked to the boat people, and Nathan is linked to Ethan (they even looked similar!

For example, Ethan seemed pretty much indestructible, yet Mr. Eko single handedly took care of two of the Goodwyn-gang. That strikes me as odd.

Also, even though Goodwyn was on his own as a spy, the whole group of them came to get everyone. Ethan worked on his own. Again, the patterns don't match.

I wonder if Nathan and/or Ethan are a bit like Danielle? She tried to kidnap Aaron to get Alex back, so what if they had someone stolen and were also trying to get another kid to exchange for theirs? I know Ethan was pretty brutal, but let's face it, Ana was also quite brutal and she's a "normal" person. How far would she go if the kids were hers?

Very good episode. So much to think about!!

Hi guys!

I have to agree with the minority on this episode that it is not bad but not amazing as a lot of people are making out. I dont the characters are as good as the main losties (which is why probably most of them have been killed off).

But i do reckon the ending was brilliant especially the music and the next episode is what im really waiting for it looked well good from the clips ive seen.

Might have to invest in a freeview box to be able to watch them on E4!

For me this was a truly great episode..my favourite of S2 so far..

I absolutely loved the beginning when we see the tail-section plummet from the sky..i think it was more impactful because i had no idea what to expect..i was completely taken aback!

Loving Eko..the guy is amazing. When they couldnt drag him off even i was whooping

ANd waht about Goodwin..oh my! I must admit i did suspect Nathan..the whole being from Canada thing along with the fact he was a good hunter, his name was similar to 'Ethans' and he even looked a bit like the guy made me think he was infact 'Nathan Rom'!

I love how Ana, though she was most suspicious of Nathan..she also had suspicioun of Goodwin..some of the looks she gave him indicated that. It was almost as if she knew one of the was iffy but couldnt work out which, until Libby also gave her [wrong] suspicions of Nathan..

I also adored the end sequence..i see that some people didnt like it..personally i thought it was so exciting and the music just rocked!

I cant really say enough about this eppy..simply grea!

My reason for using the "amazing" word, is that never has one episode of ANY show never mind lost changed my opinion of someone so much, not that I shall be joining any Ana Lucia fan clubs but I shall stop saying I want to hit her with a brick!

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Originally posted by Mushi:
Ok bear with me as this is the 3rd time I have seen this episode.

I agree Mr Eko staying silent for 40 days does most definently make him religious, possibly as we would put it a man of the cloth.

Yeah..so it seems that whilst Locke and Eko are both men of faith..they have actually tied Eko down to a particular faith..Christianity. Not suprising really considering i still think he has links with the Nigerian 'priest' and the beachcraft..i accept he was on the plane but I think he's from Nigeria and will at some point turn out to know of them.

I loved his scene with Ana..perhaps the most beautiful scene of the whole show for me..God those tow can act!

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Well least we know now where the teddy bears came from, I found that quite distressing, possibly the female meternal instinct in me reaching out. Talking of maternal insticts I may be wrong but I strongly suspect that Ana Lucia either had a baby or lost a baby at some point, the long pause when Goodwin asked her if she had any Children then the "mothering of the 2 kids, whose names elude me at the moment (did we even find out their names)

Ttoally agree..the same thing crossed my mind when Goodwin asked her if she had kids. She had 'that' look on her face didnt she..

Well we know that the girl is called Emma..her bro was shouting it out when Ek's saved him.

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Oh and the music, well the drums that covered the last 4 days or so following the Capture of Jin were completely amazing.

I shall add more tomorrow but Im at a bit of a loss right now for words amazing episode, part of me agrees with Beachy that it is the best yet, it is most certainly the most revealing.

Totally agree..Loved it..for me this is up there with Deus ex..and for sheer content may even be my fave of the whole 31[?] episodes to date.

I liked the change of scenery and getting a break from the usual Losties - from this episode it looks like the Tailies had a much tougher time and they needed someone to take charge which Ana Lucia did. I think the reason why the others attacked them the way they did was that A) the tailies may have crashed much closer to where the others live and B) there are less tailies than in the main group so it would be easier to take them on. I'm not sure about the whole taking the 'good' people thing - haven't thought about that much to be honest. Am glad we found out about the children we saw in an earlier episode and at least it means that they are alive. It kinda makes me think that maybe the Others aren't as bad as they are made out to be - yes their methods may be rather questionable but as someone pointed out earlier I think, we haven't seen the others kill anyone (apart from Ethan killing Scott but there is debate as to whether he is one of them).

Goodwin Killed Nathan, though it is debatable that both of them might be "others"

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Goodwin Killed Nathan, though it is debatable that both of them might be "others"

Yeah, i think that may still be possible..rival others perhaps?

Ah Mushi, I completely forgot about the scene between Goodwin and Nathan!

Still not sure what to think about Nathan - everything about him just reminded me of Ethan like obvious things saying he was from Canada and the hunting of rabbits. But perhaps that was just a red herring and I fell for it.

I fell for that too Fluffy, but I agree with Roco, why would Goodwin say that Nathan was bad, if they were working together.

I think you're right Mushi, they're not on the same side as it were.

I'm still thinking that Nathan was a bit... bad.

If we get introduced to some Jonathan guy from Canada who knows how to hunt, I'll be keeping a close eye!

i loved this episode too!
ana lucia's behaviour is now much more understandable, and we can see why she was so horrible to jin, sawyer and michael as she was worried they could be others too.
didn't it seem crazily risky that she went up the top of the hill wth goodwin if she suspected him? she has some guts!
what do people think about the fact that the others had a list of the tailies? how did they get this and could they have had it even before the plane landed if the plane and its passengers were indeed brought to the island deliberately. and how do they know who's 'good' and who's 'bad'???

Good point shycat...

I knid of thought that Goodwyn spent a few days with them to suss them out, but prhaps this was a bit more planned.

There was us thinking it was all about "our lot", and maybe it's all about the tail enders after all. I mean, Bernard wasn't supposed to be at the back, he'd just gone to the loo, and did they want him? No.

Yeah..at one point i was thinking that he meant he was 'bad' because Nathan wasnt 'good enough' for them in terms of strength, age etc..but then i considered that he's a pretty big guy and looked like a useful candidate to be taken..so when Goodwin said he's bad..it must surely mean its because he already knew him and because he's another other?

WHich would point to them competiting against one another maybe..or maybe Goodwin had a long held grudge against him and didnt like him so saw it as his opportunity to get rid of him?

I just feel that eitherway Nathan was an other because the similarities between him and Ethan are vast. It's almost like he's their version of Ethan..i was thinking is ther an anagram of 'Nathan Rom'..wouldnt it be funny if there was..?

In was thinking it could spell out A.N.O.T.H.E.R. M.A.N..but that doesnt work..shame that..

OMG..actually..it does work..i think?

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so when Goodwin said he's bad..it must surely mean its because he already knew him and because he's another other?

but the others/goodwin seemed to know who was good and bad amongst the plane passengers too but that doesn't mean that goodwin knew all of them.

Sorry Rocco, I don't think it does.

Although Nathan Rem would.

Like ROM-ulus and REM-us. Maybe they (or their family) were there first of all.

Or am I taking this waaay too far?