This has got to be the coldest first 5 and a half months i can ever remember.
We know the planet has been cooling down over the last 10 years, yet there's still numerous people trying to tell us that the reason its howling outside my window is because the planet is getting warming and human's are to blame.
global warming is a term rather than a warming for everyone. the uk is likely to get a great deal colder as the gulf stream stops and the jet stream sits over the uk.
the prevailing winds used to be westerlies this year [and last] they have been easterlies or from the north.
The fact is that manmade global is now a discredited theory alongwith MMR, the millenium bug scare, salmonella in chickens and a host of other scares that seemed so real when the press hounds were on the scent, but which are quietly forgotten by embarrassed "officials" (do the press and politicians have this emotion) when the overwhelming evidence against the scare turns up.
Originally posted by Dixion: I agree. May and June were never this chilly. I'm a global warming sceptic.
Dixion, if only it were that simple. The reason the theory is discredited, is because for a theory to have scientific credibility it must make predictions, and those predictions must be tested against the evidence.
The Met office used the theory of manmade global warming to make predictions and 100% were high which makes the probability of the theory being correct less than 0.5%.
The reason is of course that following a rise in temperatures at the end of the 20th century, the "climb-it" scientists used the old oracle's trick of telling everyone the trend will continue forever and therefore told us all the warming would continue until we all burnt in some fiery hell (unless we bought their indulgences = carbon offsets).
Fortunately, real scientists wait for the evidence and the evidence since 2001 is of cooling global temperatures and that cooling trend is now accelerating (although it is too early to say just how quickly temperatures are about to plumet)
Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary, Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore, While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping, As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door. (The Raven, E A Poe 1845)
Originally posted by eruption: This has got to be the coldest first 5 and a half months i can ever remember.
We know the planet has been cooling down over the last 10 years, yet there's still numerous people trying to tell us that the reason its howling outside my window is because the planet is getting warming and human's are to blame.
When will the madness end?
Global warming is not about melting ice-caps in Blighty!
Well if it isn't real somebody better tell the Government and the BBC because it seems they fink it's a done deal. Anyone not in the know will believe it and that will be quite difficult to turn around. As usual man thinks he is smarter than he is and the sheeep will follow.
Originally posted by queenstomper: It may seem chillier in the late spring and summer months but I think if you take an all year view temperatures have risen.
We have amazingly mild winters now compared to not so long ago.
That is utter drivel. Even the worst scaremongers can't fabricate the data to get more than 1C warming which is so insignificant none of us could tell whether the temperature today was within 1C of a hour ago, let alone a day, a month, a year or decades as you imply.
The fact is that if you can feal the temperature difference, then it's nothing to do with the scientific discussion about whether there has been a 0.4C rise in global temperatures of the air, sea, deep ocean etc.
Originally posted by Bonmot: Well if it isn't real somebody better tell the Government and the BBC because it seems they fink it's a done deal. Anyone not in the know will believe it and that will be quite difficult to turn around. As usual man thinks he is smarter than he is and the sheeep will follow.
Bonmot, I was in the wind industry around 2000 when temperatures had been on a 3 decade rise and people like me were unaware how flimsy the supposed link was between manmade use of fossil fuel and rising temperatures.
At that time we couldn't understand why they weren't treating the subject seriously and it tooks years, even decades to start getting some response - so, now that the evidence has turned, and politicians & journalists have hitched themselves to the bandwagon of global warming we can expect years if not decades before they finally admit it was all a big mistake.
The best analogy I can use is that politicians are a bit like dinosaurs - even if you kick them between the legs, their brains are so decrepid that it takes four or five years for the nerve impulse to make its way slowly up the spinal cord and into the tiny little brain before the dinosaur suddenly says: Owww and does anything.
The "global" in the term "global warming" means global, not local....Idiots
Anyways, cleaning up our act is definatly not a bad thing.
In my industry (mechanical building services engineering) we have to now design building systems that rely on between 15 and 20% renewable energy source.
Even if man made global warming is not true, how can this possibly be a bad thing. As we get more populated, surly it would be a good idea to clean up our act.
Well I have read extensively on this subject and it is this scientists opinion that there is little we can do to change the climate. It is too big and powerful and too complex for our over-inflated opinions of our intelligence to comprehend. When data don't show anything but after a computer modeller gets hold of it it does then you know there's something amis.
Now if they simply said that fuel is gonna run out and we better cut back, then I would stoke up my wood burning stove and save on my Gas bill. Come to think of it, I'll save a few bob and do that anyway.
Originally posted by Bonmot: Well if it isn't real somebody better tell the Government and the BBC because it seems they fink it's a done deal. Anyone not in the know will believe it and that will be quite difficult to turn around. As usual man thinks he is smarter than he is and the sheeep will follow.
Man has always believed the planet is sustainable. Then we killed off the Dodo, Tasmanian devil and 30% of other species. Now we think we can pollute without consequences.
Originally posted by Bonmot: Well if it isn't real somebody better tell the Government and the BBC because it seems they fink it's a done deal. Anyone not in the know will believe it and that will be quite difficult to turn around. As usual man thinks he is smarter than he is and the sheeep will follow.
Man has always believed the planet is sustainable. Then we killed off the Dodo, Tasmanian devil and 30% of other species. Now we think we can pollute without consequences.
When will we learn...
Did we do for the Dinosaurs or was that some other global temp change thingy?
Originally posted by askubala: The "global" in the term "global warming" means global, not local....Idiots
Anyways, cleaning up our act is definatly not a bad thing.
In my industry (mechanical building services engineering) we have to now design building systems that rely on between 15 and 20% renewable energy source.
Even if man made global warming is not true, how can this possibly be a bad thing. As we get more populated, surly it would be a good idea to clean up our act.
The problem with global warming is that it fed us the lie that "if we choose to continue as we are ...."
So for the last decade the public have been under the mistaken belief that we have a choice about how much energy we can use as if continuing to consume more and more will always be possible despite the limited stocks of fossil fuel.
Perversely the result has been a massive increase in energy use, and a massive increase in energy intensive economic infrastructe like out-of-town supermarkets and leisure centres which are inaccessible without burning oil.
Whilst, we could easily live with a third the energy we use now (I.e. go back to around the 1970s usage), we can't do this if our entire economic infrastructure is designed to consume 100% ... no more than 100% because we are still designing new roads expecting more and more oil to be available.
That is the real damage of global warming. 2C rise in temperature was never going to be noticed by anyone except climate nerds, but a 5 fold rise in energy prices as some are predicting after peak oil is something we are all going to suffer ... particularly if we have no option but to continue using fuel at today's rates of consumption because the infrastructure has been designed to consume more oil than we can realistically obtain.
Originally posted by askubala: The "global" in the term "global warming" means global, not local....Idiots
Anyways, cleaning up our act is definatly not a bad thing.
In my industry (mechanical building services engineering) we have to now design building systems that rely on between 15 and 20% renewable energy source.
Even if man made global warming is not true, how can this possibly be a bad thing. As we get more populated, surly it would be a good idea to clean up our act.
The problem with global warming is that it fed us the lie that "if we choose to continue as we are .... floods, doom, gloom for polar bears, ... , but otherwise fine"
So for the last decade the public have been under the mistaken belief that we have a choice about how much energy we can use as if continuing to consume more and more will always be possible despite the limited stocks of fossil fuel.
Perversely the result has been a massive increase in energy use, and a massive increase in energy intensive economic infrastructe like out-of-town supermarkets and leisure centres which are inaccessible without burning oil.
Whilst, we could easily live with a third the energy we use now (I.e. go back to around the 1970s usage), we can't do this if our entire economic infrastructure is designed to consume 100% ... no more than 100% because we are still designing new roads expecting more and more oil to be available.
That is the real damage of global warming. 2C rise in temperature was never going to be noticed by anyone except climate nerds, but a 5 fold rise in energy prices as some are predicting after peak oil is something we are all going to suffer ... particularly if we have no option but to continue using fuel at today's rates of consumption because the infrastructure has been designed to consume more oil than we can realistically obtain.
The best stunt ever was the 10 year 'GW on hold' theory. Brilliant, it's not here afterall but it will be. Fuel is going to get shorter and man is going to breed more and more billions of people. Great idea.
Originally posted by Bonmot: Well I have read extensively on this subject and it is this scientists opinion that there is little we can do to change the climate. It is too big and powerful and too complex for our over-inflated opinions of our intelligence to comprehend. When data don't show anything but after a computer modeller gets hold of it it does then you know there's something amis.
Now if they simply said that fuel is gonna run out and we better cut back, then I would stoke up my wood burning stove and save on my Gas bill. Come to think of it, I'll save a few bob and do that anyway.
Bonmot, there are a couple of facts you can't escape. Carbon dioxide is greenhouse gas, and the concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere has greatly increased since the industrial revolution. Even most skeptics agree that the excess CO2 is man-made.
Whatever some bloggers say, temperature trends are on the up! FACT! Yet you still choose to to say the earth is flat despite all the evidence showing it is round!
Originally posted by Bonmot: Well if it isn't real somebody better tell the Government and the BBC because it seems they fink it's a done deal. Anyone not in the know will believe it and that will be quite difficult to turn around. As usual man thinks he is smarter than he is and the sheeep will follow.
Man has always believed the planet is sustainable. Then we killed off the Dodo, Tasmanian devil and 30% of other species. Now we think we can pollute without consequences.
When will we learn...
Did we do for the Dinosaurs or was that some other global temp change thingy?
Geez, the dinosaurs were millions of years ago! The earth was a very different place then. There wasn't even an Atlantic! How can you make comparisons like that!
Originally posted by Bonmot: Well I have read extensively on this subject and it is this scientists opinion that there is little we can do to change the climate. It is too big and powerful and too complex for our over-inflated opinions of our intelligence to comprehend. When data don't show anything but after a computer modeller gets hold of it it does then you know there's something amis.
Now if they simply said that fuel is gonna run out and we better cut back, then I would stoke up my wood burning stove and save on my Gas bill. Come to think of it, I'll save a few bob and do that anyway.
Bonmot, there are a couple of facts you can't escape. Carbon dioxide is greenhouse gas, and the concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere has greatly increased since the industrial revolution. Even most skeptics agree that the excess CO2 is man-made.
Whatever some bloggers say, temperature trends are on the up! FACT! Yet you still choose to to say the earth is flat despite all the evidence showing it is round!
How strong a greenhouse gas is it, is the trend with concentration linear by any chance? Does CO2 correlate with temperature at all? What has happened with other greenhouse gases and are they affected by temperature? Are you happy to discard the sun as a factor in temperature changes, especially when our means of measuring potential effects is limited to ones we can measure? Got any answers?
