They say Islam is a threat to the world, it intends to rule the world. That is far from the truth, Islam is about the word of God and the prophecies and hadiths of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, The Prophet prophesized that Constantinople will become Muslim, he also said Rome will become Muslim. The first part of the prophecy has come true, Constantinople did become Muslim, but the second part of the prophecy has not been fulfilled yet. Let us just say the prophecies shall be fulfilled and the will of Allah shall be done, There are two types of Muslim who are trying to fulfill this prophecy, the first think it to be an invasion, so you see the armament or the militarizing of Muslims, the other think like myself that Rome will become Muslim when the Pope becomes Muslim, I see that happening maybe not in my lifetime but happening nonetheless.
When people who are compelled to the belief in the Trinity, they become rejectionists or apologists, the rejectionists of the Trinity fall into two groups, those who become believers in Satan, or devil worshippers and the other who believe in a God, but because of the slander and hatred of the Church against Islam, the second group of rejectionists find it difficult if not impossible to accept Islam but some make it.
The apologists continue to believe in the Trinity, but they are only sympathetic and apologetic towards it. The rejectionist of the Trinity also become believers in Satan, simply because they see the fallacy of the Trinity, because if God is one of three then they would believe Satan is more powerful, and the crucifixion has a major bearing on their beliefs and due to teachings of the Church, become believers of Satan, this is apparent with the Free Masons whose members include the Queen, the Duke of Edinburgh, the President of the USA.
The Polish are the apologists who think that the Pope will become good, the Americans are the rejectionist who secretly believe in Satan, the British are the rejectionists who believe in a God but haven't accepted Islam because of the history of Christianity and the way the Pope has slandered the Apostle of Allah, Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him and the deen al- Islam, and have chosen a monarchy as head of church. There was another group who blatantly believed in Satan in their lives, those were the Nazis, I shall say no more of them. The Americans blatantly accept Satan in their lives.
The British rejected the Pope, the Americans rejected the monarchy, the Germans rejected the Masons, and the Polish said the Pope will become good.
Here is a hadith which prophesizes for all you to know and maybe see it happen in our time or lifetimes:
"Rome shall become Muslim"
So Pope it is your turn now what shall it be light or darkness, it is in your court now. Because as the argument goes the Pope should go first and be first of the West to accept Islam.
Who are you accountable to, Pope? Everyone even the Queen of England feels she needs to believe in something, when many believe in her, so who would believe in the Masons, or Allah, Exalted is He!
It is time to read the shahada, the declaration of faith in Islam, I testify that There is no god except Allah, and Muhammad is His slave and Messenger.
Can someone go to the Pope and make him read the Shahada in Arabic.
Originally posted by kashif786: Islam is about the word of God and the prophecies and hadiths of the Prophet Muhammad
OK Mr Silly explain this one. Your monotheist POV requires prophecy and that means that the future must be set - a consequence of an omniscient god. However, your idiotic bronze age mythology also requires that we are guilty for our sins - the concept of freewill.
So please do explain to us all how the two mutually exclusive concepts can co-exist. Oh and while you are at it please do tell us where slavery is condemned in the Koran. Great morals in your religion.
Truth, eh? You wouldn't recognise it if it jumped up and bit you on the arse.
I am not a religious person, but Mr kashif786 I respect your views and your right to express them. What I do not respect is any persons right to tell me I am damned if I do not follow their way. For whose way should I follow? Yours? Jesus'? Maybe the Horned God of old times? I deny all gods, all religion and ask to be left to my own beliefs. My belief is in the right of man, any man to make his life good as he sees good. This puts me in mind of Dave Allen, when he said at the end of his show 'May YOUR God go with you'. Your God is sacred to me, because you truly believe. But do not ask me to have the same belief.
To Kashif786: I really sympathise with how your reasoning faculties have been utterly eroded simply because you were unfortunate enough to be born into / acquired a religion of such extreme absolutist doctrine. The fact that you seem to 'know' the rights and wrongs and facts of the world should utterly terrify anyone who wishes to employ reason to try and engage with you. Whilst you may be entitled to your opinions (or should I say 'facts') from a legal and societal point of view, I can afford you no modicum of respect for the dangerous outlook on life you adhere to.
Originally posted by kashif786: Islam is about the word of God and the prophecies and hadiths of the Prophet Muhammad
OK Mr Silly explain this one. Your monotheist POV requires prophecy and that means that the future must be set - a consequence of an omniscient god. However, your idiotic bronze age mythology also requires that we are guilty for our sins - the concept of freewill.
So please do explain to us all how the two mutually exclusive concepts can co-exist. Oh and while you are at it please do tell us where slavery is condemned in the Koran. Great morals in your religion.
Truth, eh? You wouldn't recognise it if it jumped up and bit you on the arse.
Ive often wondered about predestination, I think this is how it is possible.
God knows the sum total of every chenical interaction at every synapse within our brains exactly to no error. Knowing this God should therefore be able to know what we will do, but the action was taken by the individual not God, hence we are still responsible for them.
Your reasoning is an astonishingly weak attempt to just shoehorn in a religious viewpoint by using biochemistry as a back-up. If "God knows the sum total of every chemical interaction at every synapse within our brains exactly to no error", this STILL prevents our freewill no matter how you want to dress it up with pseudoscientific assertions. If we truly have freewill, does that mean that God cannot know how we will behave and the choices we will make in advance? If he does know in advance and we grant that he created humans - we cannot have freewill. If he doesn't know in advance how we will act, he is not Omniscient and therefore, by definition of one of God's so called necessary attributes, he cannot exist.
Your reasoning is an astonishingly weak attempt to just shoehorn in a religious viewpoint by using biochemistry as a back-up. If "God knows the sum total of every chemical interaction at every synapse within our brains exactly to no error", this STILL prevents our freewill no matter how you want to dress it up with pseudoscientific assertions. If we truly have freewill, does that mean that God cannot know how we will behave and the choices we will make in advance? If he does know in advance and we grant that he created humans - we cannot have freewill. If he doesn't know in advance how we will act, he is not Omniscient and therefore, by definition of one of God's so called necessary attributes, he cannot exist.
Free will is thought to come from the inherrent irrational and random events of quantum mechanics, which no human, but God if omniscient does understand, hence if he knows every such quantum interaction with the exact correct mathematical model, it is possible to plan out every single thing a human will do, its beyond human thought of course... also our thoughts are changing at every moment, depending on stimuli etc... If God knew these variables and their values change constantl;y my theory would work.
"The Prophet prophesized that Constantinople will become Muslim, he also said Rome will become Muslim. The first part of the prophecy has come true, Constantinople did become Muslim, but the second part of the prophecy has not been fulfilled yet. Let us just say the prophecies shall be fulfilled and the will of Allah shall be done, There are two types of Muslim who are trying to fulfill this prophecy, the first think it to be an invasion, so you see the armament or the militarizing of Muslims, the other think like myself that Rome will become Muslim when the Pope becomes Muslim, I see that happening maybe not in my lifetime but happening nonetheless." Kashif786
Would you provide sources for your assertions? I'm a Muslim and havent come across these prophesies in any research I have done. Also before making assertions about the trinity and other concepts of Christianity you should do some objective research. The trinity basically speaks of three facets of God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, in essence Christianity is a monotheistic religion believing in one God. You seem to have forgotten that Christians are classed as people of the book along with Jewish people and do not have to convert to Islam.
After all of the arguments I think that the only solution to these religious differences is for all religions to declare that there is one God whatever name they choose call it. How many Gods can there be? The importance to those who believe is the act of worship ...if you are all worshiping the same God ...does it really matter how you do it? Or is religion just about power over people, if that is the case then there is no place for it in our society.
Originally posted by Omnia mea mecum porto: After all of the arguments I think that the only solution to these religious differences is for all religions to declare that there is one God whatever name they choose call it. How many Gods can there be? The importance to those who believe is the act of worship ...if you are all worshiping the same God ...does it really matter how you do it? Or is religion just about power over people, if that is the case then there is no place for it in our society.
If you read the theology of those competing religions you'll see the description and dictates of representing Gods are diametrically opposed.
Its a bit like saying Marxists and Socialists are just the same why can't they all agree.
Its down to choice, the ability to choose what we want to follow.
As for saying religion is just about power over people so there should be no place in society is interesting.
Have you thought how the society you live in has got where it is and your freedom to express this. Its seems that our attention spam for History and the heritage of how and where democracy has evloved, from has been forgotten.
Every ideology including secularism has its religion/ mandates. Its just not as obvious. It is obvious that without an understanding of that we have people making general statements about the nature of religion.
They say Islam is a threat to the world, it intends to rule the world. That is far from the truth, Islam is about the word of God and the prophecies and hadiths of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, The Prophet prophesized that Constantinople will become Muslim,
Constantinople was subjugagted in the 15th cetury by the Ottoman Empire using the Tactics that Mohammid had used to subjugate unbelievers.
He was a great general, perhaps the most talented of the 7th century. The Ottoman Empire endeavored to carry on his principles as best and sincere as they could.
His prophesy has been fulfilled by force of arms. Its certainly wasn't about people making deciding Islam a conscience choice.
Thanks for your informative post all the same. I enjoyed reading it.
I must add though that your understanding of the west and its belief in the Pope is really not very accurate.
You really stress the masons as being more important and influencial than they really are. However, this I see fits well with the Muslims world view of things.
They say Islam is a threat to the world, it intends to rule the world. That is far from the truth, Islam is about the word of God and the prophecies and hadiths of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, The Prophet prophesized that Constantinople will become Muslim,
Constantinople was subjugagted in the 15th cetury by the Ottoman Empire using the Tactics that Mohammid had used to subjugate unbelievers.
He was a great general, perhaps the most talented of the 7th century. The Ottoman Empire endeavored to carry on his principles as best and sincere as they could.
His prophesy has been fulfilled by force of arms. Its certainly wasn't about people making deciding Islam a conscience choice.
Thanks for your informative post all the same. I enjoyed reading it.
Had not the Eastern Roman Emperor Heraclius not been going through premature dementia at the time Mohammed and would have been kicked back to the dust from whence they came.
Heraclius was probably the finest general of the C7, and Charles Martel of the C8.
They say Islam is a threat to the world, it intends to rule the world. That is far from the truth, Islam is about the word of God and the prophecies and hadiths of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, The Prophet prophesized that Constantinople will become Muslim,
Constantinople was subjugagted in the 15th cetury by the Ottoman Empire using the Tactics that Mohammid had used to subjugate unbelievers.
He was a great general, perhaps the most talented of the 7th century. The Ottoman Empire endeavored to carry on his principles as best and sincere as they could.
His prophesy has been fulfilled by force of arms. Its certainly wasn't about people making deciding Islam a conscience choice.
Thanks for your informative post all the same. I enjoyed reading it.
Had not the Eastern Roman Emperor Heraclius not been going through premature dementia at the time Mohammed and would have been kicked back to the dust from whence they came.
Heraclius was probably the finest general of the C7, and Charles Martel of the C8.
Originally posted by kashif786: They say Islam is a threat to the world, it intends to rule the world. That is far from the truth, Islam is about the word of God and the prophecies and hadiths of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, The Prophet prophesized that Constantinople will become Muslim, he also said Rome will become Muslim. The first part of the prophecy has come true, Constantinople did become Muslim, but the second part of the prophecy has not been fulfilled yet. Let us just say the prophecies shall be fulfilled and the will of Allah shall be done, There are two types of Muslim who are trying to fulfill this prophecy, the first think it to be an invasion, so you see the armament or the militarizing of Muslims, the other think like myself that Rome will become Muslim when the Pope becomes Muslim, I see that happening maybe not in my lifetime but happening nonetheless.
When people who are compelled to the belief in the Trinity, they become rejectionists or apologists, the rejectionists of the Trinity fall into two groups, those who become believers in Satan, or devil worshippers and the other who believe in a God, but because of the slander and hatred of the Church against Islam, the second group of rejectionists find it difficult if not impossible to accept Islam but some make it.
The apologists continue to believe in the Trinity, but they are only sympathetic and apologetic towards it. The rejectionist of the Trinity also become believers in Satan, simply because they see the fallacy of the Trinity, because if God is one of three then they would believe Satan is more powerful, and the crucifixion has a major bearing on their beliefs and due to teachings of the Church, become believers of Satan, this is apparent with the Free Masons whose members include the Queen, the Duke of Edinburgh, the President of the USA.
The Polish are the apologists who think that the Pope will become good, the Americans are the rejectionist who secretly believe in Satan, the British are the rejectionists who believe in a God but haven't accepted Islam because of the history of Christianity and the way the Pope has slandered the Apostle of Allah, Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him and the deen al- Islam, and have chosen a monarchy as head of church. There was another group who blatantly believed in Satan in their lives, those were the Nazis, I shall say no more of them. The Americans blatantly accept Satan in their lives.
The British rejected the Pope, the Americans rejected the monarchy, the Germans rejected the Masons, and the Polish said the Pope will become good.
Here is a hadith which prophesizes for all you to know and maybe see it happen in our time or lifetimes:
"Rome shall become Muslim"
So Pope it is your turn now what shall it be light or darkness, it is in your court now. Because as the argument goes the Pope should go first and be first of the West to accept Islam.
Who are you accountable to, Pope? Everyone even the Queen of England feels she needs to believe in something, when many believe in her, so who would believe in the Masons, or Allah, Exalted is He!
It is time to read the shahada, the declaration of faith in Islam, I testify that There is no god except Allah, and Muhammad is His slave and Messenger.
Can someone go to the Pope and make him read the Shahada in Arabic.
kashif
No offence intended, but I don't want to be a Muslim. I'm quite happy with my life as it is. I consider Islam only to be an extension of ancient Judaism used by an adventurer to mould his people into an army to invade his surrounding area.
I have to agree, I have no interest in Islam. The more I study the Koran and his Hadith the less inclined I am towards it.
Its a real shame for humanity in a lot of Muslim states that people don't have a choice. They can't declare that they want to try another religion or belief.
I am not a fan of the Pope either, but why would he be interested and why should he be interested .
They say Islam is a threat to the world, it intends to rule the world. That is far from the truth, Islam is about the word of God and the prophecies and hadiths of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, The Prophet prophesized that Constantinople will become Muslim,
Constantinople was subjugagted in the 15th cetury by the Ottoman Empire using the Tactics that Mohammid had used to subjugate unbelievers.
He was a great general, perhaps the most talented of the 7th century. The Ottoman Empire endeavored to carry on his principles as best and sincere as they could.
His prophesy has been fulfilled by force of arms. Its certainly wasn't about people making deciding Islam a conscience choice.
Thanks for your informative post all the same. I enjoyed reading it.
Had not the Eastern Roman Emperor Heraclius not been going through premature dementia at the time Mohammed and would have been kicked back to the dust from whence they came.
Heraclius was probably the finest general of the C7, and Charles Martel of the C8.
I go look for info on Heraclius. Thanks nursery cryme
There is a good publication on Mohammid achievements in regard to unifying Arab warring tribes and his tactics are coming out very soon. The periodical I read on the topic look fascinating.
Originally posted by gt: I have to agree, I have no interest in Islam. The more I study the Koran and his Hadith the less inclined I am towards it.
Its a real shame for humanity in a lot of Muslim states that people don't have a choice. They can't declare that they want to try another religion or belief.
I am not a fan of the Pope either, but why would he be interested and why should he be interested .
Horses for courses
careful GT you'll be cursed to hell just like Mother Teresa
Originally posted by kashif786: Islam is about the word of God and the prophecies and hadiths of the Prophet Muhammad
OK Mr Silly explain this one. Your monotheist POV requires prophecy and that means that the future must be set - a consequence of an omniscient god. However, your idiotic bronze age mythology also requires that we are guilty for our sins - the concept of freewill.
So please do explain to us all how the two mutually exclusive concepts can co-exist. Oh and while you are at it please do tell us where slavery is condemned in the Koran. Great morals in your religion.
Truth, eh? You wouldn't recognise it if it jumped up and bit you on the arse.
Free will or consciousness is not even close to being understood on a scientific level and may never be, but it may have something to do with the seemingly random nature of quantum mechanics . If God understands this, which God must if omniscient, then it is popssible for predetermination and free will of a kind as a reslt of our own neuronal interactions.
Originally posted by kashif786: Islam is about the word of God and the prophecies and hadiths of the Prophet Muhammad
OK Mr Silly explain this one. Your monotheist POV requires prophecy and that means that the future must be set - a consequence of an omniscient god. However, your idiotic bronze age mythology also requires that we are guilty for our sins - the concept of freewill.
So please do explain to us all how the two mutually exclusive concepts can co-exist. Oh and while you are at it please do tell us where slavery is condemned in the Koran. Great morals in your religion.
Truth, eh? You wouldn't recognise it if it jumped up and bit you on the arse.
Actions speak louder than words. The prophet freed Bilal and gave him the honour of reciting Adhan every day for the prophet and his followers.
from a legal and societal point of view, I can afford you no modicum of respect for the dangerous outlook on life you adhere to.
