has jen 18 no love or fellings for unborn babies?
also jen if unborn babies are not human what on earth are they?

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Originally posted by medicalbreakthrough:
Human "being" suggests independence, which a foetus certainly doesn't have.

No. Human "being" suggests existence, which a foetus certainly does have.

There are many people in this world who could not reasonably be considered "independent". They are still human beings, and to suggest that their lack of independence somehow makes them anything less than a human being is extremely offensive.

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Originally posted by Silver_Rose:

Also, the people who are 'pro-life' wish to change the law, to prevent abortions/make it harder for anyone to have one.

Damn right they do! OF COURSE any right-thinking person would want to make it very hard indeed for anyone to have the legal right to kill a child! Indeed, it never should have got to be so widespread and "acceptable" in the first place. It's an absolute OUTRAGE that people are killing children as a matter of routine, day in, day out, for nothing more than their own selfish reasons! Surely any sane individual can see that!

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Originally posted by Silver_Rose:

I feel i should stand up for my rights, and the rights of anyone else who wishes to have an abortion.

Well lucky for you that you're able to do that! No one is trying to take away YOUR right to LIFE though, are they! Just your right to take somebody else's life! What about the rights of the unborn child? If they COULD speak, do you think they'd say "oh no, you go right ahead, I don't mind at all that I'm about to face a brutal death for absolutely NO GOOD REASON"? Oh but hang on, these tiny new human children don't have a cat in hell's chance of speaking up for themselves, do they - because you (that's a general "you") get in there quick and kill them before they ever get the chance to protest, don't you! And best of all, you don't even have to put up with the screaming you would get from an older child! Yeah ok I guess you do have a point then

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Originally posted by Silver_Rose:

A foetus may look like a human being, especially towards the end of gestation, but that does not mean it has the qualities (such as thought or emotion) and independance children and adults have.

"It" looks like a human being because that's exactly what "it" is! (Much easier to deny that someone dies during an abortion when you refer to them as an object, don't you think?) I don't believe anyone has suggested that an unborn child has the same "qualities" as an older, born child, but so what?! What do you expect? Unborn children are NOT SUPPOSED to have the qualities of older children until they BECOME older children, are they! But you people don't give them the chance to get to be that older child! Abortion punishes children with death, simply for being too young and too small to have been born yet, because YOU WOULDN'T LET THEM! If you people can't see that as the most outrageous, evil form of discrimination then there's no hope of a decent future whatsoever really is there.

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Originally posted by Silver_Rose:

Its not about being size or ageist.

On the contrary - it obviously IS, isn't it!

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Originally posted by Silver_Rose:

It just hasn't developed far enough for that to apply.

For what to apply? Prejudice? Discrimination? Are you serious?

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an absolute OUTRAGE that people are killing children as a matter of routine, day in, day out, for nothing more than their own selfish reasons

Firstly, a foetus is not a child. There is a massive difference! Why is it a good thing that every foetus is born? 37% of mothers who orgiginally wanted an abortion resent their children. I wonder how many of these children get abused? Also, there are many, many reasons that are not selfish, such as wanting to provide for your child when you decide to have one. I don't think YOU have the right to decide what is and isn't a good reason for anyone.

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because you (that's a general "you") get in there quick and kill them before they ever get the chance to protest, don't you!

Thats an assumption. There are millions of suicides a year, some people just can't live anymore. Not everyone and everything wishes to live. My light to life would actually be affected by abortion law, becase if a foetus was granted personhood, i would not be unable to undergo any lifesaving treatment for myself that might endanger the foetus. So it'd be death or jail for 'murder'. I covered your 'no good reason' assumption further up.

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It" looks like a human being because that's exactly what "it" is! (Much easier to deny that someone dies during an abortion when you refer to them as an object, don't you think?) I don't believe anyone has suggested that an unborn child has the same "qualities" as an older, born child, but so what?! What do you expect? Unborn children are NOT SUPPOSED to have the qualities of older children until they BECOME older children, are they! But you people don't give them the chance to get to be that older child! Abortion punishes children with death, simply for being too young and too small to have been born yet, because YOU WOULDN'T LET THEM! If you people can't see that as the most outrageous, evil form of discrimination then there's no hope of a decent future whatsoever really is there.

No, its a human in species. Human being implies its the same as you or i and is a sentient being with an independant life. Which it most definatly is not. oh, and where did i call a foetus an object? *looks* Im still looking...

You are suggesting a foetus has the same qualities as a child by reapeatedly, and misguidedly calling it a child.


I fail to see where you 'Discrimiation' rant is going. Ageism? sexism? Im not aborting a foetus because i dont like its sex, or its age (which would be quite stupid) And no, as a foetus isn't actually consious, or a seperate person it would be slightly impossible to discrimiate against it. Its half-formed tissue, and by law has no rights.

You seem to think abortion is for women who want to 'punish' foetuses. You forget abortion is not about the foetus, its about the woman and her rights. I have all right to choose not to bring something into the word that i cannot care for and will have a MASSIVE negative impact on my life and body. Abortions a hard choice for anyone to make, and you seem to forget that. Maybe you've been reading a little too much passioned, emotive propaganda?