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Ok, the little ole horse had had far too much time to think today and not enough sugar...

This theory, although full of holes, is related somewhat to the earlier mentioned theory about a "snow globe"...

The theory is that the Dharma initiative began as an experiment in time travel which opened up a semi-permanent rift in the space time continuum. The rift opens every 108 minutes. Typing the numbers into the computer sets off a magnetic chain reaction (heavy duty magnetic-physics hardware in the Swan Station) that basically shuts the rift, much like a tear being the re-sewn in a piece of cloth.

When Desmond was on the other side of the island forgetting to type in the numbers, the rift opened, and in flew flight 815, into the far future.

The future is the post-apocalyptic earth, after many years of global warming and rising sea levels. This "island" is actually the peak of a large mountain, once located in Antarctica.

After the original Dharma time-travel project, past the present time, The Dharma company realized that rising sea levels would wipe out the human race. They decided to colonize the area in the Antarctic with a surviving group of humans, thus the Others. The Others are the last surviving remnants of human beings on the planet.

The Others were left with all human records, including the information on one flight 815 that disappeared completely in September of 2004. All of the passenger information was (or will be?) in one big Other Library.

When Benry told Jack about the major events that had happened (Red Sox winning the series, Bush being reelected etc) since the plane crash, he had been basically reading a history book.

When Desmond went off in the boat and returned saying there was nothing out there, he was telling the truth. The whole world has been submerged by the rising oceans.

Desmond hasn't been made clairvoyant. He's been to the near future and back due to the implosion of the Swan. He doesn't quite realize what he's experienced or where (when) he's been.

Desmond's girl Penelope is on to the whole Time rift thing. She's got a couple of Portuguese scientists sitting near the area in the Antarctic, mapping out magnetic disturbances.

The black smoke is a somewhat human manifestation of the time rift. It wants to survive. It uses the memories of those who threaten it to defend itself.

Hmmm? Ninja


JUST BRINGING THE THEORIES TO THE TOP AGAIN! Razz


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Hmmmm thanks Horsey...

So when Ben said he could send Jack home, was he lying or is ther a way?
When Michael Walt (and Vincent?) sailed off into the sunset, where are they going to?

They have made hints a few times to possible differences in time, when Hurley & Sayid were on the beach & picked up the radio signal Hurley wonderd if it was from a different time....or are they playing with us again?


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Wow black horse this is awsome i like the idea about the black smoke monster.
 
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Definately something up with the 'time' on the island...


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Definately something up with the 'time' on the island...


I think it is more of the same time but another dimension, might be that when it rains on the island it is switching between them. It is the only thing I think it can be. Unless it rains to mask something the island does't want the losties to see like a doorway to the other dimension, like a secret passage way behind a waterfall. Nice thought but probaly wrong again.


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It is a good thought Torry. The rain also always seemed to be around when Walt was able to project his image and send messages to the Losties. The rain also seems to get rid of the monster too wouldn't you say?


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It is a good thought Torry. The rain also always seemed to be around when Walt was able to project his image and send messages to the Losties. The rain also seems to get rid of the monster too wouldn't you say?


In the pilot episode when we hear the monster in the jungle for the first time had to laugh at Charlies response to the situation Smile
I would like to think that the rain from the island and the BSM are tring to cancel each other out in some way. But the BSM does seem to stalk like a pack animal. It could be that tear in the fabric of space and time and the BSM is actualy leaking through into the losties island! Eek


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TIME REFERENCES BY SEASON: Big Grin

Season 1
Charlie says "Really, last I heard we were positively made of time." ("Walkabout")
Jin is asked to deliver watches for Mr. Paik. ("...In Translation")
Sawyer was seen reading A Wrinkle in Time. ("Deus Ex Machina")
Kate's time capsule was her driving purpose in several of her actions as a fugitive. ("Born to Run")
Hurley nearly missed the plane, because the alarm clock in his hotel room stopped working. ("Exodus: Part 2")

Season 2
Jack says "I've got time." ("Man of Science, Man of Faith")
The countdown timer repeatedly counted down indicating when the Numbers needed typed in. ("Adrift")
Referring to a source of a radio transmission, Sayid said, "It could be coming from anywhere." Hurley responded, "Or any time. Just kidding, dude." ("The Long Con")
Michael was given three minutes with Walt, also the title of the episode. ("Three Minutes")

Season 3
Jack looked for a clock to announce the time of death for Colleen, but he couldn't find one. ("Every Man for Himself")
Aldo was reading A Brief History of Time when he was guarding the building holding Karl. ("Not in Portland")
Ben asks Jack for "3 minutes" since he has only "27 minutes to live". ("Not in Portland")
Dr. Alpert asks Juliet to work for him for six months. ("Not in Portland")
Juliet gives the exact length of her stay on the island. ("Not in Portland")
The company name: Mittelos is an anagram for "lost time". ("Not in Portland")
The voice of a woman repeating "Only fools are enslaved by time and space" can be heard in the reversed version of the Room 23 brainwashing video. This hidden clue may be another Buddhist reference: "The wise know how to use time and space perfectly; they lead free and harmonious lives. Fools are enslaved by time and space; they are busy running around all day. Wise or foolish, the difference is obvious." ("Not in Portland")


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TIME REFERENCES BY SEASON: Big Grin

Season 1
Charlie says "Really, last I heard we were positively made of time." ("Walkabout")
Jin is asked to deliver watches for Mr. Paik. ("...In Translation")
Sawyer was seen reading A Wrinkle in Time. ("Deus Ex Machina")
Kate's time capsule was her driving purpose in several of her actions as a fugitive. ("Born to Run")
Hurley nearly missed the plane, because the alarm clock in his hotel room stopped working. ("Exodus: Part 2")

Season 2
Jack says "I've got time." ("Man of Science, Man of Faith")
The countdown timer repeatedly counted down indicating when the Numbers needed typed in. ("Adrift")
Referring to a source of a radio transmission, Sayid said, "It could be coming from anywhere." Hurley responded, "Or any time. Just kidding, dude." ("The Long Con")
Michael was given three minutes with Walt, also the title of the episode. ("Three Minutes")

Season 3
Jack looked for a clock to announce the time of death for Colleen, but he couldn't find one. ("Every Man for Himself")
Aldo was reading A Brief History of Time when he was guarding the building holding Karl. ("Not in Portland")
Ben asks Jack for "3 minutes" since he has only "27 minutes to live". ("Not in Portland")
Dr. Alpert asks Juliet to work for him for six months. ("Not in Portland")
Juliet gives the exact length of her stay on the island. ("Not in Portland")
The company name: Mittelos is an anagram for "lost time". ("Not in Portland")
The voice of a woman repeating "Only fools are enslaved by time and space" can be heard in the reversed version of the Room 23 brainwashing video. This hidden clue may be another Buddhist reference: "The wise know how to use time and space perfectly; they lead free and harmonious lives. Fools are enslaved by time and space; they are busy running around all day. Wise or foolish, the difference is obvious." ("Not in Portland")


Confidence Man-Jessica sees the time on the alarm clock, which leads to Sawyer's con.

Further Instructions-(Locke to Eddie) these things take time.


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TIME REFERENCES BY SEASON: Big Grin

Season 1
Charlie says "Really, last I heard we were positively made of time." ("Walkabout")
Jin is asked to deliver watches for Mr. Paik. ("...In Translation")
Sawyer was seen reading A Wrinkle in Time. ("Deus Ex Machina")
Kate's time capsule was her driving purpose in several of her actions as a fugitive. ("Born to Run")
Hurley nearly missed the plane, because the alarm clock in his hotel room stopped working. ("Exodus: Part 2")

Season 2
Jack says "I've got time." ("Man of Science, Man of Faith")
The countdown timer repeatedly counted down indicating when the Numbers needed typed in. ("Adrift")
Referring to a source of a radio transmission, Sayid said, "It could be coming from anywhere." Hurley responded, "Or any time. Just kidding, dude." ("The Long Con")
Michael was given three minutes with Walt, also the title of the episode. ("Three Minutes")

Season 3
Jack looked for a clock to announce the time of death for Colleen, but he couldn't find one. ("Every Man for Himself")
Aldo was reading A Brief History of Time when he was guarding the building holding Karl. ("Not in Portland")
Ben asks Jack for "3 minutes" since he has only "27 minutes to live". ("Not in Portland")
Dr. Alpert asks Juliet to work for him for six months. ("Not in Portland")
Juliet gives the exact length of her stay on the island. ("Not in Portland")
The company name: Mittelos is an anagram for "lost time". ("Not in Portland")
The voice of a woman repeating "Only fools are enslaved by time and space" can be heard in the reversed version of the Room 23 brainwashing video. This hidden clue may be another Buddhist reference: "The wise know how to use time and space perfectly; they lead free and harmonious lives. Fools are enslaved by time and space; they are busy running around all day. Wise or foolish, the difference is obvious." ("Not in Portland")


Confidence Man-Jessica sees the time on the alarm clock, which leads to Sawyer's con.

Further Instructions-(Locke to Eddie) these things take time.


Well spotted Kiki! Cool
Anyone else got any time related quotes to add?


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Just a thought on this whole Time malarky...

Has anyone seen any clocks anywhere on either island?
I think some of the Losties have watches, but without any comparison or reference how would they know if the had the right time?
Is this intentional, or an oversight.

Is time passing at a different rate...have they been on the island longer than they think...?


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There are NO clocks on the island, if you remeber back to the pilot there were some losties looking at their watches to see that they were indeed broken. Jack also looks around for a clock to pronounce the time of death to the others after the one that was shot by Sun dies on his operating table...

...how much more proof do we need? Ninja


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Do you remember a film called millenium, Where they jumped though time to sort Time paradoxs.
They were coming back and removing people from Aircraft in flight, which was spooky in it's self, they left Kadivers in the place of the people they removed.
But The Watches broken and turning backwards was a clue to the investigators in this Wink
Might be that the incident in lost's story, played with the events in time and main players in the world were removed before they had carried out, what they had set out to do, like killing Hitler before he became the dictator he did.
Just a thought Wink


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Do you remember a film called millenium, Where they jumped though time to sort Time paradoxs.
They were coming back and removing people from Aircraft in flight, which was spooky in it's self, they left Kadivers in the place of the people they removed.
But The Watches broken and turning backwards was a clue to the investigators in this Wink
Might be that the incident in lost's story, played with the events in time and main players in the world were removed before they had carried out, what they had set out to do, like killing Hitler before he became the dictator he did.
Just a thought Wink


Well BH this so looks like the direction it is going after they dismissed the idea aswell. Cool


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So now we have proof of the time travel phenomenon with Desmond to futher support this theory! Eek

I believe Desmond looked into time itself when he turned that key and saw not only his own life flash before him but also the life of everyone else on the island and what will happen to them in the future.

At the moment he is trying to protect Charlie from death, but he may well have seen other happenings that he also cannot control...


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I think Des has realised that once your card's marked, your card's marked! If you attempt to alter history (or Fate) the knock on effects are incalcuable...it will come around & bite you in the ass somehow!


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Playing with time and a time Pardox will ultimately happen no matter how careful you are.


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So he can't change it even if he wanted too. Hmmm, it is the whole FATE thing again isn't it! Charlie has it tatooed on his knuckles!!!


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