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Originally posted by GoodOmen:
But then again, the writers have said that the next series we will be left thinking one thing, but then series 6 will come along & blow it all out of the water & give us the truth...this could be....fun!

So in Series 5 we are going to get mislead!!!

I agree that Jack is very important. What I'm trying to work out why the island let him go home in the first place. Maybe there is something he needs to do back home first?

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Originally posted by chocolate box:

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Originally posted by GoodOmen:
But then again, the writers have said that the next series we will be left thinking one thing, but then series 6 will come along & blow it all out of the water & give us the truth...this could be....fun!

So in Series 5 we are going to get mislead!!!

I agree that Jack is very important. What I'm trying to work out why the island let him go home in the first place. Maybe there is something he needs to do back home first?

But Jack was ill (juliette saved him!). It was Richard who made the deal to let him go (then when Jack mentioned it to Ben he just agreed).
So it was Richard who said he could go, does he have the authority? Maybe its because they know he will go back.

Hmmm I'm not too sure about that being Richard's decision... Ben must have known about it somehow, everything is always his idea...

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Originally posted by da_bomb:
Hmmm I'm not too sure about that being Richard's decision... Ben must have known about it somehow, everything is always his idea...

Definitly, but Jack asked Richard FIRST (that doesnt mean that they hadnt forseen this eventuality)....im sure Ben knew........he always has a plan

Ok I just realized one of my main reasons for hating Jack. Everything he does is so predictable, you KNOW he's going to run off and be the hero, you Know he'll get all broody and angsty when things aren't going his way or someone dies/is ill, I even predicted when he got 'stomach cramps' he'd have some life threatening illness that he'd get helped with like the part- time Damsel in Distress he is. The only un-predictable thing he's ever done that comes to mind is try and shoot Locke and even that didn't work. He drives me insane. He's not even fit, doesn't hold a candle to Sawyer, Sayid or Des (or Ben in Omens case) but thats a matter of opinion I suppose. (Oh and Btw OF COURSE Jack got of the island. *grumbles*)...I apologize for my outburst, I'm having a bad day and probably should buy a stress ball. ......*is carted back to the mad house*

...Outburst duly noted Lizzie

I wonder wether our reaction to Jack was forseen. Hes handsom (not my scene, but you have to admit he is good looking) & a doctor, so you would automatically assume that we would gravitiate towards him as the hero.
Maybe they underestimated the power of sarcasm & being hot (Sawyer), being too cute & Scottish (Des), being handsom & able to snap peoples necks with your feet (Sayid), or just being....driven, uncompramising, sarcastic...& cute (i think) (Ben).


Hero's aint what they used to be are they?

you're absolutely right Omen

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Originally posted by GoodOmen:
...Outburst duly noted Lizzie

I wonder wether our reaction to Jack was forseen. Hes handsom (not my scene, but you have to admit he is good looking) & a doctor, so you would automatically assume that we would gravitiate towards him as the hero.
Maybe they underestimated the power of sarcasm & being hot (Sawyer), being too cute & Scottish (Des), being handsom & able to snap peoples necks with your feet (Sayid), or just being....driven, uncompramising, sarcastic...& cute (i think) (Ben).


Hero's aint what they used to be are they?

I think your right about Jack being seen as a natural leader by the viewers. However I think they knew what they were doing when they put Sawyer in there. Saywer was meant to draw attention away from Jack( not for me personally but that's just me ).

...apparently they considered killing Jack in the Pilot!
Well, its an American show, so its the law to have pretty, all American Male & Female leads (Jack & Kate), all the other characters are seen as supports (Ben...a support...how very DARE they! ).

Yeah Jack was definitely the leader, as the Doc he was the one in charge of the post crash rescue effort...

He cant accept someone else being the leader... and would probably rather eat Vincent then recognise Locke as being in command....

...even so I still love him! minus that horrible beard!

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Originally posted by da_bomb:
Yeah Jack was definitely the leader, as the Doc he was the one in charge of the post crash rescue effort...

He cant accept someone else being the leader... and would probably rather eat Vincent then recognise Locke as being in command....

...even so I still love him! minus that horrible beard!

..its not a good beard is it?
Your right, hes in charge & thats it! Even though at the beginning he fought against it!

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Originally posted by GoodOmen:


..its not a good beard is it?
Your right, hes in charge & thats it! Even though at the beginning he fought against it!

Oooh he was just trying to be a modest chappie!

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Originally posted by GoodOmen:
...apparently they considered killing Jack in the Pilot!
Well, its an American show, so its the law to have pretty, all American Male & Female leads (Jack & Kate), all the other characters are seen as supports (Ben...a support...how very DARE they! ).

All of the interesting characters are seen as the support characters to me. I like Jack but he isn't as interesting as Des, Sayid, Eko, Ben or Locke.

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Originally posted by da_bomb:
...even so I still love him! minus that horrible beard!

If you mean the future beard then what the heck was he thinking.

He probably thinks it makes him look edgy and so driven to his goal that he has no time for grooming.
...it just makes him look like a handsome dude with a crap beard. And it makes him look a bit smelly!

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Originally posted by GoodOmen:
...apparently they considered killing Jack in the Pilot!
Well, its an American show, so its the law to have pretty, all American Male & Female leads (Jack & Kate), all the other characters are seen as supports (Ben...a support...how very DARE they! ).

Considering killing him off in the pilot makes you wonder what his relevance to the whole show is. I personally still think he's very important though.
I'd love to know how Lost would have been without him. What did they have in mind back then?

Well if they originally meant for Kate to lead the survivors then she must have some relavence... I dont see it though!

I think I'm right in saying the only connection she has to the island is the horse we saw in season 1.

If they planned to kill Jack off, do you think that having Jack's father in it was an afterthought? Not originally intended?

hey omen just read idea. Nice, I like the idea of a double bluff on jack by his father, Rather like Locke being made seem he wasn't good enough with Alpert. The more they are told no, the more they want to prove people they can achieve what they want if they don't know it yet.
Jacob will have some relation to jack, i'm sure of it

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Originally posted by da_bomb:
Well if they originally meant for Kate to lead the survivors then she must have some relavence... I dont see it though!

I think I'm right in saying the only connection she has to the island is the horse we saw in season 1.

If they planned to kill Jack off, do you think that having Jack's father in it was an afterthought? Not originally intended?

Kate doesn't seem to have any connection to the island as you say Bombie except for the horse. However she is the one who is raising Aaron ( for now ).

Even if they had killed off Jack in the pilot I think they would still have Christian. He has a connection to Clare and Aaron.

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Originally posted by blacklove:
hey omen just read idea. Nice, I like the idea of a double bluff on jack by his father, Rather like Locke being made seem he wasn't good enough with Alpert. The more they are told no, the more they want to prove people they can achieve what they want if they don't know it yet.
Jacob will have some relation to jack, i'm sure of it

Cheers Blackie
I just think its too much of a co-inky-dink to reveal all the family connections, and then for it not to mean anything. Especially with there being that many members of one family.
I love a good old fasioned double bluff!

Hmm.... what would the show be like without Jack..... *daydreams* ..... I looked upon a future with no Jack and I thought it good.