An interesting thing I noticed in the post I made about Carlton & Lindhoffs interview.
They stated that the show inregards red sox was to reflect the time as it occurs so that when we look back in years certain aspects make sense. With this in mind I took the Christmas eve Desmond phones on ie 24/12/2004 and subtracted the 94 days that have occurred which gives us the day Lost aired ie September 22 2004.

This is very interesting as it would show that they are trying to keep it exact as possible so that they are running in real time from when they first aired and have been keeping it in sequence consciously.

The episode with Desmond seems to highlight that it may be the subconscious mind of characters that drift from past to future mentally but remain in boy form where they are even though they co exist in both ie Minkowski who was strapped to the bed but on a ferris wheel.

The islands timeline is possibly exactly the same as the outside world but you have to pass through a time field to get onto it which alters your perception of where you are and when. Like with Desmond when he thought he was in 1996 but was actually in the present. He was there physically but not mentally.

The name "wormhole" comes from an analogy used to explain the phenomenon. If a worm is travelling over the skin of an apple, then the worm could take a shortcut to the opposite side of the apple's skin by burrowing through its center, rather than travelling the entire distance around, just as a wormhole traveler could take a shortcut to the opposite side of the universe through a topologically nontrivial tunnel.
In other words they are in real time but you must drift in time to access the island by traversing the timeline. That would explain why it cant be seen. Ben” God cant even see this place”
The possibility of traversable wormholes in general relativity was first demonstrated by Kip Thorne and his graduate student Mike Morris in a 1988 paper; for this reason, the type of traversable wormhole they proposed, held open by a spherical shell of exotic matter, is referred to as a Morris-Thorne wormhole.
Later, other types of traversable wormholes were discovered as allowable solutions to the equations of general relativity, including a variety analyzed in a 1989 paper by Matt Visser, in which a path through the wormhole can be made in which the traversing path does not pass through a region of exotic matter. A type held open by negative mass cosmic strings was put forth by Visser in collaboration with Cramer et al.,[2], in which it was proposed that such wormholes could have been naturally created in the early universe.

The black rock is the exotic matter I would assume in question and therefore I would assume that this is what gives the island its special properties in regards timelines and the ability of those on island leaving it to experience “ the sickness” ie jumps in time subconciously.

Exotic matter is a hypothetical concept of particle physics. It covers any material which violates one or more classical conditions or is not made of known baryonic particles. Such materials would possess qualities like negative mass or being repelled rather than attracted by gravity. It is used in certain speculative theories, such as on the construction of wormholes. The closest known real representative of exotic matter is a region of pseudo-negative pressure density produced by the Casimir effect.
Einstein-Rosen bridges are bridges between areas of space that can be modeled as vacuum solutions to the Einstein field equations by combining models of a black hole and a white hole. This solution was deemed inadequate as time pinched and not even light would make it through but what if that is what Dharma were working on and found a way through Einsteins procedure.

“ two sides, one black one white”

In his famous work on Special Relativity in 1905, Albert Einstein predicted that when two clocks were brought together and synchronised, and then one was moved away and brought back, the clock which had undergone the traveling would be found to be lagging behind the clock which had stayed put. Einstein considered this to be a natural consequence of Special Relativity, not a paradox as some suggested, and in 1911, he restated and elaborated on this result in the following form:
If we placed a living organism in a box ... one could arrange that the organism, after any arbitrary lengthy flight, could be returned to its original spot in a scarcely altered condition, while corresponding organisms which had remained in their original positions had already long since given way to new generations. For the moving organism the lengthy time of the journey was a mere instant, provided the motion took place with approximately the speed of light. (in Resnick and Halliday, 1992)
Consider a space ship traveling from Earth to the nearest star system outside of our solar system: a distance d = 4.45 light years away, at a speed v = 0.866c (i.e., 86.6 percent of the speed of light, relative to the Earth). The Earth-based mission control reasons about the journey this way (for convenience in this thought experiment the ship is assumed to immediately attain its full speed upon departure): the round trip will take t = 2d / v = 10.28 years in Earth time (i.e. everybody on earth will be 10.28 years older when the ship returns). The flow of time on the ship and aging of the travelers during their trip will be slowed by the factor , the reciprocal of the Lorentz factor. In this case and the travelers will have aged only 0.5×10.28 = 5.14 years when they return.
So here we have what looks like is going on in Lost, a continuation of the theory of relativity and the use of said theory to exploit wormholes and time travel subconsciously. Minowski was the main mathematician in regards the mathematic aspect of relativity theory.
If a pair of twins are born on the day the ship leaves, and one goes on the journey while the other stays on Earth, they will meet again when the traveler is 5.14 years old and the stay-at-home twin is 10.28 years old. The calculation illustrates the usage of the phenomenon of length contraction and the experimentally verified phenomenon of time dilation to describe and calculate consequences and predictions of Einstein's special theory of relativity.
So here we see how they are experiencing time differently. The trip through the electromagnetic field has caused them to experience time differently but in reality it passes the same. Might explain why Sayid asked about them leaving at dusk and arriving at midday but Frank just looked puzzled at him.
Now, how would each twin observe the other during the trip? Or, if each twin always carried a clock indicating his age, what time would each see in the image of their distant twin and his clock? The solution to this observational problem can be found in the relativistic Doppler effect. The frequency of clock-ticks which one sees from a source with rest frequency frest is
when the source is moving directly away (a reduction in frequency; "red-shifted"). When the source is coming directly back, the observed frequency is higher ("blue-shifted") and given by
This combines the effects of time dilation (reduction in source frequency due to motion by factor ε) and the Doppler shift in received frequency by factor (1 v/c)-1, which would apply even for velocity-independent clock rates. For the example case above where v / c = 0.866, the high and low frequencies received are 3.732 and 0.268 times the rest frequency. That is, both twins would see the images of their sibling aging at a rate only 0.268 times their own rate, or expressed the other way, they would both measure their own aging rate as being 3.732 that of their twin. In other words, each twin will see that for each hour that passes for them, their twin experiences just over 16 minutes.
Looking at it this way we must assume that this is where Faradays frequency of 2342 comes from with an oscillation of 11. It is this that depicts said time difference .
Minkowskis opening quote at a german assembly in regards his space time theory:
The views of space and time which I wish to lay before you have sprung from the soil of experimental physics, and therein lies their strength. They are radical. Henceforth space by itself, and time by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality.
Minkowski believed that light passing through material with have a great electromagnetic force. The island being that material enhanced by the black rock which is our exotic material would explain the sky turning blue in a highly propelled and unstable band of electromagnetism.
Overall
1. They are in real time
2. The islands black rock provides the basis for time travel through relativity
3. The doppler effect shows that the ageing process would be different with the time jump eg Richard Alpert. Also explains the rabbits in the orchid not being able to see each other as they have no constant in both past and future.
4. Special relativity by Einstein shows the time lag in regards the clocks Faraday has as Einstein clearly showed that the clock doing the travelling would lag in time. The payload was 31 minutes off but was the clock doing the travelling hence the time lag. Also Faradays watch had the same time lag due to the fact he too travelled through the field surrounding the island.

Wow...that was so intense i nearly had a nose bleed (a-la Des!).
Can i ask though why would the Black Rock be exotic matter?

I think my eyes just fell out my head from not blinking

The exotic matter would be the black rock as in it has a different make up physically and scientifically and contains a source of radiation.The rock is believed to be from a meteorite so contains elements from space not common to earth.
The sickness on island is high expoure to the radiation hinted at by Faraday with his special jacket. The black rock acts as a conductor for the time shift. The water source on the island and food would be contamintaed by the black rock hence the losties would be affected. The flashforwards could be vivid dreams like des thought he was having that they are experiencing over the black rock affecting their systems

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Originally posted by blacklove:
The exotic matter would be the black rock as in it has a different make up physically and scientifically and contains a source of radiation.The rock is believed to be from a meteorite so contains elements from space not common to earth.
The sickness on island is high expoure to the radiation hinted at by Faraday with his special jacket. The black rock acts as a conductor for the time shift. The water source on the island and food would be contamintaed by the black rock hence the losties would be affected. The flashforwards could be vivid dreams like des thought he was having that they are experiencing over the black rock affecting their systems

Ahaaaaa..i forgot about the whole metiorite thing!
So is it high exposure to radiation that causes people to jump time?

The combination of the black rock and the magnetic field causes it in a percentage of people depending on their genetic make up i assume. as Faraday staed uit only some people have side affects ie Des but not sayid but remember that Des has been on island longer.

There is also the Roman ring, which is a configuration of more than one wormhole. This ring seems to allow a closed time loop with stable wormholes when analyzed using semiclassical gravity, although without a full theory of quantum gravity it is uncertain whether the semiclassical approach is reliable in this case.

In Carl Sagan's novel Contact and subsequent 1997 film starring Jodie Foster and Matthew McConaughey, Foster's character Ellie travels 26 light years through a series of wormholes to the star Vega. The round trip, which to Ellie lasts 18 hours, passes by in a fraction of a second on Earth, making it seem that she didn't go anywhere. In her defense, Foster mentions an Einstein-Rosen bridge and tells how she was able to travel faster than light and time. Analysis of the situation by Kip Thorne, on the request of Sagan, is quoted by Thorne as being his original impetus for analyzing the physics of wormholes.
The concept of a "theory of everything" is rooted in the ancient idea of causality, famously expressed by Laplace:
An intellect which at a certain moment would know all forces that set nature in motion, and all positions of all items of which nature is composed, if this intellect were also vast enough to submit these data to analysis, it would embrace in a single formula the movements of the greatest bodies of the universe and those of the tiniest atom; for such an intellect nothing would be uncertain and the future just like the past would be present before its eyes.
– Essai philosophique sur les probabilités, Introduction. 1814
So are they trying to create a theory Of Everything Trying to understand the cogs of time like the Mayans so that they may prepare for the endd like I stated earlier and get a utopian society ready to enter the worlds next epoch after it renews itself. The earth like us must die to be reborn

A noahs Ark scenario

"we must go back"

Too late Jack you were on the ark and jumped ship

Ahaaaa! (again), i was just looking up Mrs Hawking (for another thread), ans she tells Des that he must go to the Island or "We will all die", the producers said that this meant everyone on the planet!!

and more

the Schwarzschild metric admits negative square root as well as positive square root solutions for the geometry.

The complete Schwarzschild geometry consists of a black hole, a white hole, and two Universes connected at their horizons by a wormhole.

The negative square root solution inside the horizon represents a white hole. A white hole is a black hole running backwards in time. Just as black holes swallow things irretrievably, so also do white holes spit them out. White holes cannot exist, since they violate the second law of thermodynamics.

General Relativity is time symmetric. It does not know about the second law of thermodynamics, and it does not know about which way cause and effect go. But we do.

The negative square root solution outside the horizon represents another Universe. The wormhole joining the two separate Universes is known as the Einstein-Rosen bridge.

In electromagnetism, Maxwell's equations are a set of four equations that were first presented as a distinct group in 1884 by Oliver Heaviside in conjunction with Willard Gibbs. These equations had appeared throughout James Clerk Maxwell's 1861 paper entitled On Physical Lines of Force.

Those equations describe the interrelationship between electric field, magnetic field, electric charge, and electric current. Although Maxwell himself was the originator of only one of these equations (by virtue of modifying an already existing equation), he derived them all again independently in conjunction with his molecular vortex model of Faraday's "lines of force".

Faraday's law of induction (or the law of electromagnetic induction) states that the induced electromotive force in a closed loop is directly proportional to the time rate of change of magnetic flux through the loop.

Moving a permanent magnet near a conductor (such as a metal wire) produces a voltage in that conductor. The resulting voltage is proportional to the speed of movement: moving the magnet twice as fast produces twice the voltage.

A closed timelike curve can be created if a series of such light cones are set up so as to loop back on themselves, so it would be possible for an object to move around this loop and return to the same place and time that it started. An object in such an orbit would repeatedly return to the same point in spacetime if it stays in free fall. Returning to the original spacetime location would be only one possibility; the object's future light cone would include spacetime points both forwards and backwards in time, and so it should be possible for the object to engage in time travel under these conditions.

Time dilation is the phenomenon whereby an observer finds that another's clock which is physically identical to their own is ticking at a slower rate as measured by their own clock. This is often taken to mean that time has "slowed down" for the other clock, but that is only true in the context of the observer's frame of reference. Locally (i.e., from the perspective of any observer within the same frame of reference, without reference to another frame of reference), time always passes at the same rate. The time dilation phenomenon applies to any process that manifests change over time.

So it looks like this is what Daniel was doing with the clocks, measuring the dilation effect of the island using the freighter as his reference.

Suddenly makes sense with the dilation on a loop but I would assume that the button not being pushed has effected the control mechanism. If they were creating said utopian society then they would need to be within the loop in the event of a massive change outside it to survive the effects of the external change ie world ending.

So while the island time loops it protects the timeline and the numbers but now we wait to see what happens. While time continues as normal the relative force of the electromagnetic field protects the island from intereference from an outside timeline which runs parrallel to it.
ie the island and outside world.

After rewatching I was blown away.

Faraday makes a nod to twin paradox

He cant remember meeting Desmond and alludes to it during Desmonds time travel subconciously.

Even though he doubted the island he chose Desmond as his constant as he became aware in 1996 that their paths would cross so he used Des for protection.

The communications cut and the comment they left fiji. In episode one of s1 when they ran into trouble the pilot had turned towards fiji so we should take it they are in pacific.

It looks like Widmore knows a lot more than he should and may be aware of the time thing already as he gave des that address too easily as if he knew there was a higher purpose.

Sweet tooth pointed out my posts can be a little complex and he/she is right as to be honest they baffle me a little as I am not a fully fledged physicist so I am posting a few points to the above theory in a more simplified form.

1. Time on the island is the same as the outside world but there perception of it is different due to exposure from the black rock and the electromagnetic field surrounding the island. Einsteins clock experiment shows this by the fact that if 2 clocks at the same time are separated the clock that travels will lag.
2. The twin paradox explains how if two siblings are separated and placed in a different timeline they experience time differently and one will age quicker due to the speed of light and perceived length of journey .
3. The jumps happen in time subconsciously by the mind or soul. The body is merely flesh. Highlighted by Desmond writing on his hand but his hand had no writing in 1996.
4. The rabbits in the orchid with the number 15 highlight the presence in both times but they cant see each other as they have no constant like Eloise.
5. The roman ring style wormhole operates in a loop. Time doesn’t go back or forth but the electromagnetic field holds it in place protecting it. Things and events don’t occur again and again but continue to operate within the mathematics of the loops physical presence. It is a protective shield. Rather than exiting at one point and not being able to return, with this you can. With a black hole you enter but you are spat out so to speak from a white hole.
6. By understanding how all this works which I feel is dharmas goal you would become aware of all the cogs of the universe and why it orbits, oscillates etc. Like Hawkings theory on the big bang you could realise the point when it akll began. Like taking off the bonnet of a car to see how the engine operates, you would now see how the world works, ie why oceans create waves at certain times, why plates shift, why people react. Relativuty in the simplest form as Einstein would call it.
7. The electromagnetic field around the island is the bridge or wormhole to the island much like the Bermuda triangle. It sucks objects through like flight 815, the black rock etc
8. As Faraday states every equation needs a constant. Desmond and the others are variables in this equation in regards the island, they need a constant to come and go in regards the time jumps. That is what he was drawing on the board in 1996. It was a version of the real Faradays line of force.

Blue lines show the planes of simultaneity for the traveling twin during the first leg of the journey; red lines, during the second leg. Just before turnover, the traveling twin calculates the age of the resting twin by measuring the interval along the vertical axis from the origin to the upper blue line. Just after turnover, if he recalculates, he'll measure the interval from the origin to the lower red line. In a sense, during the U-turn the plane of simultaneity jumps from blue to red and very quickly sweeps over a large segment of the lifeline of the resting twin. The resting twin has suddenly "aged" very fast, in the reckoning of the traveling twin.

So could charlies guitar turning blue to red be a hint at this travelling in time