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"Jate or SKate?"

It is a question that has caused great debate (and occasionally argument) among many LOST fans and I thought it would be nice to have a thread where we can have nice, in depth, disscusions about it.

For those who don't know:

Jate = Jack & Kate
SKate = Sawyer & Kate

So basically, just put across any points you would like to make about the two ships. Please try not to just put "Im a jater/skater coz its kl".

Expand your answers, and find evidence to back up your points. Have a nice rant about the opposite ship maybe! Big Grin

If this works well, then hopefully it will be a good read. But please, do not get into any arguments! I don't want to be held responsible for all hell breaking loose! Wink
 
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Jate is fate...you cant fight it! Theyre meant for each other Big Grin
Angie
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Jate! I mean, they obviously care about each other. Let's face it, Skate is just a bit of fun until Jack and Kate realise they really like each other! **BTW, the kiss scene in season 2 episode 9 made my day when I saw that!**
 
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yeah hi angie by the way
jate is fate!!!
skate is not fate
 
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Wow...they're all Jaters on here so far!
 
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Poor Sawyer...all he wants is a little love! Kate makes him happy...

Afterall he admits to Jack that he loves her, albeit in a confused state but still...

Sawyer deserves some happiness in his life...and as much as it pains me, it's what he wants...

I'll just have to...*sob*...deal!

So yeah...Skate...*sob*



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wwoooohhhoooo!!!!!
you know what they all say.... jate is fate!!
 
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i want skate i think there better together and...**dont you think jacks been more into ana lucia latley**


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Kate:"where did it come from"
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Kate:"i meant the gun not the bear".
Sawyer:"Thought it would come in handy...Guess what i just shot a bear"
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I actually think that Skate seems more likely than Jate...Jack seems to be cosey with AL since she came into it...I would rather Jate than Jana but I can't see it..Sawyer and she have more in common..They are like two peas in a pod..


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I actually think that Skate seems more likely than Jate...Jack seems to be cosey with AL since she came into it...I would rather Jate than Jana but I can't see it..Sawyer and she have more in common..They are like two peas in a pod..

As much as it hurts I think I have to agree...
 
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I actually think that Skate seems more likely than Jate...Jack seems to be cosey with AL since she came into it...I would rather Jate than Jana but I can't see it..Sawyer and she have more in common..They are like two peas in a pod..


sawyer and who...**Ana lucia**


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#17 of the hurleys so funny club#2 of FTP#2 of the 'fan of all lost fan clubs' club

Kate:"where did it come from"
Sawyer:"probably bear village, how the hell am i suposed to know"
Kate:"i meant the gun not the bear".
Sawyer:"Thought it would come in handy...Guess what i just shot a bear"
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Jate is fate....as it should be.
Beachy, don't you want Sawyer to yourself?
 
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Hey Sindrocks...haven't seen you around for a while?

OF COURSE I want Sawyer to myself...love him with all my heart!

But like I said...IN LOST...he wants Kate...so to join in with the debate I chose Skate...

But in real life we all know the truth right?!

SAWYER AND BEACHY FOREVER!



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Yeah..I think he and Kate will get together rather than Jack and Kate..Like I say. Jack seems to be into Al doesn't he?? I would rather Jate than Jana though....But..Don't see it at all. Unless Al disappears..ohhhh theres an idea.. I mean. Kates character annoys the heck out of me, but Al..words can not describe....

Oh my..I said Kate lots and it didn't hurt at all..Wow..I'm proud of myself..AL will always be AL though i'm afraid..


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Oh my..I said Kate lots and it didn't hurt at all..Wow..I'm proud of myself..AL will always be AL though i'm afraid..

Well done, krekk! I always knew you had it in ya! Wink
 
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I actually think that Skate seems more likely than Jate...Jack seems to be cosey with AL since she came into it...I would rather Jate than Jana but I can't see it..Sawyer and she have more in common..They are like two peas in a pod..


Dont be fooled Krekk. Matt has said repeatedly that Jack is way in love with Kate Big Grin
I think the whole Ana thing is just a diversion. For some reason hes able to open up to her, and her to him. Not to the extent that he and Kate were, but Ana is just someone Jack can be with whilst he sorts his head out a little after what happened in "What Kate did"

Angie
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*#78 of Matthew Fox/Jack Sheppard Fan Club*

"There are five stages of love: the first is denial, then the second is sex, then there's acceptance, then there's divorce, and then there's more sex, if you're lucky." Al - Quantum Leap

Jesus died and rose from the dead in 3 days. It took Jack Bauer less than an hour. And he's done it twice.

R.I.P Tiffy 14/7/92 - 6/7/06...best friend and confidant. I will love you forever. Your were the best friend I could ever have. I love you. I hope you run once again, forever young, through all of eternity
 
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Oh yeah..I forgot about that eppy...Ohhh Maybe they will get together then. I do remember Matt sayin in an interview that he and Kate would get together...

Oh my...Jack all happy...I will be happy then too...Very very hasppy. If Jacks smiling, so am I...
Oh how I love him so....


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jate is fate. end of
 
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nothing can beat jate is fate. i'm setting up the jate is fate fanclub dudes. stay tuned
 
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Well....time for me to add my (more than) two cents....Wink

WARNING! THIS POST CONTAINS SPOILERS FOR SEASON 2. DO NOT READ IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE SPOILED, AS THEY WILL NOT BE WRITTEN IN WHITE!

Right, here goes..

Sawyer & Kate
Sawyer and Kate seem to have a very complex relationship. It is obvious that Sawyer has feelings for Kate, and it's pretty obvious that she has feelings for him too. But their realtionship is very..how should i put it?..'immature'..if you get what i mean. It's the kind of 'I-fancy-her-so-i'll-pull-her-pigtails' type of relationship. One that, in my oppinion, cannot go very far. Nobody can deny that there is a strong chemistry between the two, but Sawyer is bad for Kate. We saw this in 'Outlaws' when they played the drinking game. Many SKaters see this as a moment for SKate, when they open up to eachother. But in my oppinion, although they do open up to eachother, Sawyer opens up all the badness inside Kate..bringing everything she has done in the past, everything she wanted to forget on the island back to the surface. Not a good thing.
The Kiss:
The SKate kiss was, like their relationship, a very complex one.
There is the obvious Jater argument that 'Sawyer was tied to a tree and forced Kate to kiss him in order to get the inhalers..' This is true, but i don't think Kate really needed to kiss him the way she did, or for as long as she did..Wink
There was a lot of emotion in that kiss, but it was completely ruined by the context that the kiss was put into. Kate was indeed 'forced' to kiss Sawyer. It was a pathetic attempt from Sawyer to get some 'action' going on between him and Kate, and i am glad he got that punch afterwards. He deserved it for being such a pig..
The raft:
The whole raft thing, and the episodes around it, were one of the SKate moments (though i hate to say it) that i though was really kinda cute..
In 'Born to Run' we see how upset Sawyer makes Kate by exposing her identity to the entire camp. I thought this was really horrible, and heartless. But then i started thinking..perhaps he did that because he didn't want Kate to go on the raft. Perhaps he was protecting her from the dangers, and also, perhaps he thought it would make it easier for him to say goodbye....

Later on in Exodus, Kate offers to go with Jack on the trip with Danielle. Throughout this scene she seemed on the verge of tears, and i think it was because she was thinking about the prospect of Sawyer leaving..she was also thinking that by going on the hike, she would be able forget about Sawyer. And she didn't want to be there to watch him leave.

Then we get the bottle moment, in season 2. This is the 'cute' moment for me. Kate was really upset when Sun mentioned that the bottle had washed up onshore, and the line "I didn't say goodbye" was quite touching.

There is also the pill scene, but it's late and i'm tired! And i need to stop depressing myself with all this SKate....

Basically..i think that with everything that is going on between Jack & Kate, a fling with Sawyer is an almost certainty. But i feel that this wont last very long, and Kate will see the light and go running into the arms of....Jack! Big Grin

Jack & Kate
Jack and Kate's relationship is also a very complicated one. But in a very different way. While Sawyer and Kate's may be complicated because they are so similar, Jack and Kate's is comlicated because they are so different.

But, you know what they say....opposites attract! Wink

And this is definately the case with Jack and Kate! No SKater can deny that there is something between Jack and Kate!
Kate and Jack have a much more mature relationship. The understand eachother, and Jack is gradually helping Kate to become a better person. Like he says in Tabula Rasa "We should all be able to start over."
Jack knew that Kate didn't really want to tell him what she had done, and he didn't pressure her into it. Infact, he told her he didn't want to know. He likes Kate regardless of her past, he accepts he for who she is and not how perfect she is.
The Kiss:
Ah..the kiss! Many SKaters use the argument "Kate was crazy and confused, she didn't know what she was doing and she ran away afterwards" While it may be true that she was pretty unstable at the time, but the reason she kissed him was because he was so understanding. He comforted her and, for Kate that was the last straw. She has wanted to kiss him for so long and the way he calmed her down just made her go for it.
But, despite all that, she didrun away afterwards (crazy lady..running away from Foxy like that..) which takes away a few Jater points i'm afraid....
But, regardless of running away (which i think she only did because she felt she has made a mistake) that was a much more beautiful kiss, and it didn't end with either of the getting hit in the jaw..Razz
Guava seeds, Golf, showers & food:
Just some of the many, many Jate scenes that prove they have a sweet relationship.
Guava Seeds - This was a beautiful scene. The smile on Kate's face was lovely to see, and it just shows how happy Jack makes her, because this was the first 'real' smile we had seen from Kate throughout the first 13 episodes.
Golf - Oh the flirty, flirty golf!! That was some major Jate there. The raised eyebrows and 'accuracy' were so great you were almost like 'Sawyer who?'
But then he came back..*shudders*....lets leave it here while we are still thinking about the flirtyness! Big Grin
Showers - For all you people who think Jack is gay, this is the scene that proves you wrong!
The look on his face after she walked past him....need i say anymore?
Sharing Food - This was another 'happy scene' that showed just how much they make eachother smile. The face on Jack when she took his food was adorable! And, of course, we got that all too rare 'real' smile from Kate!
The *sigh* ignoring..
Well....Jate at the moment aint looking too good is it..
But..i feel this is just an obstacle they have to get through. Let them both use Sawyer and Ana-Whats-her-face to get over this and they will be back on track soon!



Phew...that was a long post. You all still awake?

But yeah..basically, i feel that it will be a SKate fling, but Jate all the way for ever and ever.

BTW, there will probably be like a gazillion typos in that, but it's just cause i'm really really tired!! Smile
 
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Why is everyone calling them "Jate" and "Skate". It's really annoying. Can't we just call them "Jack and Kate" it sounds so less immature.
 
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I wrote this in "The Hunting Party" thread, about why Jack and Kate cant seem to get together, its kinda relevant here so I'll post it again...its a look into Jacks phsyche and why he acts the way he does:

I always thought it was bad news for him and Kate because Sarah left him for another man. He was so in love with her. He had made some mistakes but was ready to change, and ready to fix them and she ddint want to know. SHe hurt him. Really broke his heart.

Jack (this is speculation) didnt have the most loving or stable upbringing. His mother, as we saw in White Rabbit is a very hard woman. I assume that she had to be to cope with Chritians long hours, drinking and his affairs (hinted at in ep 11)

Christian as we all know was an alcaholic. He probably wasnt around much. Doesnt look like his mother was completely loving towards him so he probably had to learn responsibility from a young age.
In White Rabbit the "pep talk" that hristian gives his son, desptie trying to help him and prevent him from getting emotionally hurt does the opposite. Christian cuts him deeper. Because its his own father telling him that he is weak. That he isnt good enough. Another layer to his emotional scarring.

Its also been hinted at frequently by others that the relationship Jack had with his parents may have also contained physical abuse...

He certainly has it drummed into him that he will never succeed. So much so it even becomes part of him wedding vows:
"Maybe Im a fraid of what wil happen if I fail"
"...Because I cant let go..."

Through out his entire life Jack has been told he's not good enough by his parents. And one day he was told it by his wife.
"You are the best man I have ever known, but you'll always ned something to fix."

Jack strives to fix things, to prove he can do it. To prove his father was wrong about him. But Christian was right. Jack cant let go...and doing so hurts him.

He had to let go of Sarah and loose her to another man.
And now he knows that Sawyer wants Kate...after ep 11 we can see from the way hes treating Kate that he has his full guard up. He doesnt want to let her in. Not even a little bit. He is trying to convince himself he doesnt care...because if Kate goes to Sawyer...and he looses out to another man again with the woman he loves...I think he'd crack...

The guy is under so much emotional stress, hes trying to protect himself by building a wall, driving everybody away and not letting anyone in.

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It wont let me edit my post...just wanted to add:

His father just died & no one can put up a brave front forever... All the first season was about pushing his grief aside & taking care of everyone else. But like how we all need food, how can you take care of others when you're not getting what you need? That extends to our emotional well being...I think he's been bottling up his feelings & trying to take on overwhelming things. So what we're seeing now is all of that coming to a head...In addition, Kate was his 1 indulgence & his emotional support but he now believes she's gone so to speak.

Angie
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*#78 of Matthew Fox/Jack Sheppard Fan Club*

"There are five stages of love: the first is denial, then the second is sex, then there's acceptance, then there's divorce, and then there's more sex, if you're lucky." Al - Quantum Leap

Jesus died and rose from the dead in 3 days. It took Jack Bauer less than an hour. And he's done it twice.

R.I.P Tiffy 14/7/92 - 6/7/06...best friend and confidant. I will love you forever. Your were the best friend I could ever have. I love you. I hope you run once again, forever young, through all of eternity