At first that does seem the obvious reason 'ilovepink06', but then you have to wonder how the 'others' know this.
The prouducers have already said there is a scientific answer to the island, as in not mystical. Ok I suppose it's obvious that Charlie is a junkie, and he has killed an other, along with Ana-lucia.
But there is not 'others' situated all around the world watching them as there life pans out. To know if they are a bad person or not.
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i think that it might have to do with 'him' that henry has mentioned when in the hatch, asin his 'boss'/'leader'. It seems that this character is a prolific one as henry is so scared of him. I think that the others dont know untill they have monitored them on the island, remember for 30days the front section survivors knew nothing of these 'others' while the tail section were being taken.
It seems that somehow that their lives pre-Island have been tracked in some way by whoever is running this experiment, unless once someone arrives on The Island their soul becomes transparent so that it is possible for The Others to determine that they are a good person.
As an aside how do we know that Jack is good person because in recent episodes he has been shown to be very good at playing cards and an excellent shot.
Originally posted by roving_reporter: It seems that somehow that their lives pre-Island have been tracked in some way by whoever is running this experiment, unless once someone arrives on The Island their soul becomes transparent so that it is possible for The Others to determine that they are a good person.
As an aside how do we know that Jack is good person because in recent episodes he has been shown to be very good at playing cards and an excellent shot.
That last point is a good one, why is he an excellent shot? Interesting *rubs chin*
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Remember that the others don't want kate, so I would agree that she is a bad person, cause if she was good they would of taken her, when they had the chance.
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Yeah I agree that it's hard to decide whether Jack is the good guy or bad at the moment. Somewhere earlier in the series, Jack said that he didn't want to put guns in the hands of people who didn't know how to use them which kind of implied that he did know how to use one. And as you pointed out, he certainly proved to be a surprisingly good shot in the net scene - why would a doctor be so handy with a gun?!
Also, did anyone notice this the Hunting Party? When Locke asked bearded Other how he knew their names, Jack completely overrided the question and quickly asked something else to change the subject. Locke's question seemed a perfectly normal and valid one in the circumstances, and you would've thought Jack would've been interested to hear Zeke's answer too, no?
ok, i've having a think about the Good/Bad thing and maybe it's about choices. Check out my list and tell me what you think.
Jack - unknown goodie or baddie goodside - superdoc, leader & all round reluctant hero badside - unknown, possible alcoholic
Kate - chose to be baddie goodside - unknown, genuine guilt for previous wrong doing badside - bank robber, murderer
John - chose a good life goodside - gave up kidney to help evil father, man of faith & potential leader badside - unknown, possibly could have stopped Boone from being killed
Sawyer - chose a bad life goodside - led into trade because of tragic childhood, misunderstood & so sexy (that probably doesn't count though) badside - conman, devious, self-motivated and murderer (the man he thought was original sawyer.)Also paid Charlie to assault Sun.
Sayid - chose a bad life goodside - showed genuine love for childhood sweetheart and saved her from death, loved and comforted Shannon after death of her brother, Boone badside - torturer for Iraqi's, double agent (in league with US)
Michael - unknown goodie or baddie - i did originally think that Michael was an all round goodie but he did just do that very bad thing on E4 eppy goodside - wants to be a good father to Walt. badside - those who wactched E4 this week will know
Walt - innocent child, therefore goodie
Charlie - chose a bad life goodside - helpful, caring and a good heart badside - junkie and assaulted Sun to aide Sawyer in getting the guns
Claire - chose a good life goodside - excellent mother, only wants the best for her child, very protective badside - a bit whiney (doesn't really count though)
Hurly - chose a good life goodside - funny, caring, helpfull dude! badside - bit of a gossip
Jin - chose a bad life (albeit reluctantly) goodside - reformed husband, head fisherman & consciencious member of the group badside - mafia style henchman for father-in-law, denied existence of own father& poor husband (pre-crash)
Sun - chose a good life goodside - good wife, stood by her husband, head gardener, babysitter, excellent friend and all round helpy helper badside - lied to husbadn about english lessons & possible adultress
Eko - unknown goodside - very much a man of faith, forced into bad life to save younger brother. Helpfull member of group and excellent listener badside - previous dodgy, drug smuggling, menacing past. Mystery darkside
Libby - unknown goodside - good friend, helpfull, lovely to Hurly badside - potential nutter and a bit mysterious
Ana-Lucia - chose a bad life goodside - previously a police officer, wants todo what is right (even though it may lead to wrong) badside - murderer, alcoholic
Rose and Bernard - chose a good life goodside - genuinely in love with each other, want what best for each other and the group. badside - bernard can be a bit annoying and head strong (doesn't really count though)
Anyway, lets have your thoughts, especailly on the unknowns.
Ekko I think lost faith as a child but regained it on the island. Methinks
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you cant cast anyone as good or bad yet cause there is still so many things to be yet revield about the losties past so you never know we might find something shocking about them. also ive read another intresting theory that the black smoke judges whose good or bad like it did with mr.Eko when his life flashes inside the smoke maybe the smoke tells the others who is bad and who is good by seeing their past life. anyway something like that sorry if youve heard it before *****************************************
oh oh oh also they tried to take lock remember the black smoke but jack saved him does that proove that lock is good cause theyve already tried to get him once before and now with henry. ***********************************************8
Sorry if this is a really stupid question but why do people think that Jack might be an alcoholic? There's not been much proof of it - ok so his dad obviously was and it usually runs in the family, but having a drink at the airport bar and then having another on the plane doesn't necessarily make you an alkie does it? (I knew he was given 2 extra bottles of vodka on the plane but he didn't exactly ask for them outright and he only drank one of them).
The prouducers have already said there is a scientific answer to the island, as in not mystical
For a scientific answer that still leaves the 'good or bad' question open to interpretation, look to evolutionary psychology.
The thing that makes humans markedly different from other species isn't our genes or the size of our brains, it's the size of the groups we live in. In humans, reproductive success depends strongly on social skills - and reproductive success determines the kind of people who form the next generation.
One important social skill is lying, and knowing when someone is lying. "Lying" means all kinds of deception, including keeping a secret. (Plenty of that going on in LOST!)
If you can't tell when someone else is lying, you risk losing out all the time. But in order to tell when someone else is lying, you have to be able to lie yourself. This is an aspect of Theory Of Mind - the idea that we can imagine what someone else is thinking, including the possiblity that they're trying to work out what we're thinking!
This is an ability that can be detected in children around about 4 years old. That's long before it's possible to explain it to them and teach them how to do it, so it must be something that's "wired into" our brains.
That, in turn, means it's not something that is ethically "good" or "bad". It's just part of human nature: we've all got it, and we all need to use it.
It means that life is like a game of poker. You aren't given a choice about whether or not to lie and cheat; bluffing (and knowing when someone else is bluffing) and cheating (or spotting a cheat) are all part of the game. But you can't bluff/cheat all the time, because people then know you're a bluffer/cheat and you will lose. Likewise, you can't assume other players are always bluffing/cheating.
So it could be that good and bad people is meant in the same way as good and bad poker players.
How do you think the Others determine who is good or bad on the island. Do they look at their time before the island or on the island. If it is their time before the crash, then:
Good: John Locke Libby Michael Dawson Walt Lloyd Hugo "Hurley" Reyes Mr Eko Sun Kwon Vincent Rose Bernard
Bad: Dr. Jack Shepard Kate Austen Charlie Pace James "Sawyer" Ford Ana Lucia Cortez Sayid Jarrah
I think the others tell if someone is good or bad by what they have done ON the island. Locke would be classed as good because he is basically telling people to do everything the others would want them to do - for example he made Jack press the button, etc. He is guiding the losties into taking part in the others' experiment (thats what i think it is). Ana-Lucia would be bad because she killed Goodwin.
Random question - dont you think its strange that he was called GOODWIN - GOOD and WIN - both positive words, yet he was an other? Maybe thats trying to tell
