Just wondered if this might help with what Hanso believe will happen http://thehansofoundation.org/adkahdskja2897429834ahjkn...hanso_noshutdown.swf

OK, I've had a look at a globe now. If you were to stick a knitting needle straight through from the Central African Republic you would end up in the middle of the Pacific Ocean (hooray!) I havn't done any kind of accurate measurment but I reckon we're looking at somewhere just below where the Equator meets the International Date Line, perhaps round about the Phoenix Islands. So this possibly could give us a location for the Lost island. I'm not sure what the implications would be of creating new magnetic poles around the Equator would be though.

Any comments HH?

btw KB, if we're barking up the wrong tree, we can just create 15 quirky new characters to fit our script and flog it on to ABC. lol

Given a point on the globe, the opposite side of the world is called the antipode (we call N.Zealand the antipodes).

Latitude 4 8 15 Longitude 16 23 42 is in the Central African Republic, a few hundred miles East of Nigeria. It's antipode is in the Pacific Ocean somewhere near Western Samoa and American Samoa.

Latitude 16 23 42 Longitude 4 8 15 is on the border between Mali and Niger, a few hundred miles North West of Nigeria. It's antipode is about 100 miles North West of Fiji.

(Western Samoa is several hundred miles East of Fiji)

So, if like me you've been wondering how a Beechcraft 18 plane with a range of 1,200 miles can take off from Nigeria and crash 13,000 miles away on the opposite side of the World...

krymsk babe, what's the Magic Number?

Maybe the time and space bending possibilities of The Philidelphia Project have been applied to the plane. Tricky one.

...and I've tried a whole bunch of magic words. I'm sure KB'll know.

Look at the magnetic field diagrams - the iron filings round a bar magnet. They have a North and South Pole. If one pole is pointing directly out of the Earth somewhere in the South Pacific near Fiji, the other pole will be pointing towards Nigeria!

Pity Locke/Boone/Sayid/Charlie/Mr.Eko didn't checked the plane's compass.

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Maybe the time and space bending possibilities of The Philidelphia Project have been applied to the plane. Tricky one.

...and I've tried a whole bunch of magic words. I'm sure KB'll know.

Ive replied to the above post, the mods took it for some reason, not at all sure why but hopefully it will turn up. Im pretty gutted there was some good info in that Took me ages to do as well the swiiiiines. Anyway, feeling worse because you appeared to have so much faith that I will hold the code. I unfortunatley dont Did you get a message from Persephone I take it asking for it in that link yeah? It better be a damned good frame from the glyph after all the trouble its put me to, thats all I can say.

How many frames do you guys have now by the way?

Maybe the implication is that if you fly over one of these new poles you can be transported to the other. Nah that sounds rubbish.

And now I've got an image of a Beechcraft 18 hurtling along on some form of magnetic rip tide, that I'm sure doesn't exist.

We need more Mr Eko flashbacks. Even if it doesn't shed any more light on this particular theory, we just need more.

btw KB, I'm sure one of us will find that code soon. I'm not going to pull my hair out. Sri Lanka vid up to 42 frags now I think, it's getting good.

Krymsk babe,

I replied to your question about women conceiving more girls when they've been unfaithful, but the whole thread disappeared.

You can find the explanation in "The Language of the Genes" by Steve Jones, and "***** Wars" by Robin Baker. ***** is a 5-letter word: sp something something something, rhymes with germ. I think it was that word that got the whole thread pulled.

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Sorry HH, I'm trying to keep up, but I don't know what the data on the Observatory Map means.

On the graphs, the top one ('X') is the strength of the Earth's magnetic field towards the North. The middle one ('Y') is the strength towards the East. The bottom one ('Z') is the strength towards the Up. (!)

What they mean is that a compass needle "freely floating' in the air with no other forces acting on it, would swing round to point North, ever so slightly to West, and dip down about a quarter of the way to pointing at the ground.

They also show the the EMF varies a bit, and over 5 years has moved very slightly to the East and up.

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Originally posted by Apollo Rising:
Maybe the implication is that if you fly over one of these new poles you can be transported to the other. Nah that sounds rubbish.

And now I've got an image of a Beechcraft 18 hurtling along on some form of magnetic rip tide, that I'm sure doesn't exist.

We need more Mr Eko flashbacks. Even if it doesn't shed any more light on this particular theory, we just need more.

btw KB, I'm sure one of us will find that code soon. I'm not going to pull my hair out. Sri Lanka vid up to 42 frags now I think, it's getting good.

Of course, we are forgetting something, the small jet could have refuelled then carried on Its certainly an odd direction for them to have been going in though. A magnetic riptide in something like lost isnt such a bad theory IMO In reality, well we dont expect reality REALLY from lost do we?

Im reckon we will get more Eko flash backs, though Im not sure we will get one about the plane journey he was MEANT to be on which is what we REALLY need simply because there were no survivors, or were there? There may be one with the others but I doubt it

How many vids are there? I thought there was just the one. I only started doing the lost experience a few nights ago so havent gotten very far yet. I think I have about 30 clips or something but I thought they were all one vid. That explains why they are all so different

HH thanks for that info, I read your post before it was removed and utterly deserved the response you agve for my @r$£ of an attitude. Dont know WHAT was up with me that night but I kinda let loose on a few popel all over the forums Went round apologising to folks after, I dont know if I posted an apology on that thread or if I did and you read it.

The post was interesting i theory though I dont fully agree with all of it. I dont know if theres an appropriate forum to discuss it in more depth to prevent the removal of a very good thread here by discussing it. If I find one I'll let you know because I'd like to discuss it, maybe I have the wrong end of the stick on acouple of things. In the meantime, will look up that info Cant believe they deleted the thread because of a scientifically correct word madness, really is

Yeah, I saw your apologies here and there. No worries, it was all a good laugh.

From Mr.Eko's flashback, the Beechcraft was in the same condition when it crashed as it was when it took off from Nigeria, including the maps and dead bodies on board. So it looks like it got there direct from Nigeria.

There will definitely be more Mr.Eko flashbacks about why he was on Oceanic 815. The Beechcraft gives him a strong connection to the island - like Hurley with the numbers, and Claire with the psychic who put her on the flight. I don't think any other characters have a direct link to the island, just indirect links with each other.

Thats what comes of posting whilst inebriated Im afraid, must think on not to do so in future, especially after a pretty bad week. I feel quite ashamed about what a B1tch I was actually. Im a pussy cat really

Anyway on with the show... without wanting to give any spoilers, any future flashbacks may not help in how Eko's brother ended up in the island as they are likely to be more about Eko.

You pussy cats are the WORST drunks! Everything you've suppressed while sober comes pouring out when a bit of alcohol releases those inhibitions!

Actually, that makes you the best drunks, doesn't it?

Makes us great at parties, and very popular lack of inhibition and all that

Apollo,

Did you read my last post on the 'Satellites and 108 minutes' thread?

There aren't any satellites (or combination of satellites) that pass over the S.Pacific every 108 minutes, as before.

Instead, I figured if there was one in an equatorial orbit (circles the equator, never goes near the poles, never sees over half the Earth's surface), it would be visible from a S.Pacific island every 108 minutes - if it's orbital altitude was over 1,100 km.

That altitude would put it *just* beneath the Van Allen radiation belts. These belts are where the charged particles from the Sun end up - trapped by the Earth's Magnetic Field.

While there aren't any real satellites in that orbit (there's no reason to put one there, and every reason to avoid the radiation belts), that doesn't stop us supposing that there could be one. If there was, it's a hypothetical link between the island, a satellite, and the Earth's Magnetic Field.

Hi HH,

Yeah I saw it and had a bit of a chuckle to myself. But it's okay, because for the purposes of Lost we have a model that works. Assuming that all previous theorising turns out to be correct.

I'm still of a mind to discount the idea that you would leave something like a data upload/download to/from a satellite to be controlled by system that is not run like clockwork and with such high margin for human error.

There would surely have to be some other piece of equipment required to be monitored by humans whereby it was necesary to visually compensate for some kind of variable factor, that would require the station to be manned. Maybe that piece of equipment has ceased to exist, and they just keep obeying the robotic part of the job because they dont know any different.

There is also the school of thought that the EM device works very nicely on its own without having to be operated, or can be remotely operated from elsewhere. Then the button pushing would simply be a test of faith.

Cheers for the update though. I hope we get more clues soon.

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Cheers for the update though. I hope we get more clues soon.

Me too. To be honest, I'm losing patience with the way the whole thing is being drawn out. In Lockdown, I was actually yawning over the "Ohmygod, how do we get to the computer? The alarm is going!". Now in Dave, we have Locke agonising over whether the button actually does anything. That's a question you can only answer by not pressing it, there's no point debating it.

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll see someone NOT enter the numbers until the end of this series. Don't know if we'll see what happens (if anything), maybe they'll save that for the next series. Doh!

Meanwhile, it's far more interesting to ask what the thing in the hatch might be.

As for the automation. This was discussed before. Made me think of the 2-key system they have for launching nuclear missiles from silos.
That made me think that entering the numbers was a manual override - for which there has to be a man!
That in turn led me to the power-up/down/trigger idea. I still think that explanation is the best.

But, like I say, partly because the "The numbers don't do anything" discusiion is never going to go anywhere.

This thread ain't dead!
Been on a Wikipedia tour, so don't expect this to be too coherent.

(1) Interactions between the Solar wind and ionosphere cause changes in the outer part of the earth's magnetic field. These generate electric currents in the Earth's surface (called Telluric currents).

Telluric currents were used to power the early telegraph system across the USA; they are also used to measure the geologic structure and composition of the Earth's crust - in oil, water and mineral prospecting, for example, also geothermal energy and plate tectonics.

Telluric currents are also involved in electrification of the atmosphere, including charging the bases of thunderstorms. There were proposals to tap this source of energy (it was something Nikola Tesla was working on), but I couldn't find out if they were ever made to work.

(2) The area inbetween the two Van Allen radiation belts is like a current loop powered by the Solar wind. The charged environment is damaging to satellites (and people), and difficult and expensive to shield against.

There were proposals to drain away the current loop, similar to draining lightning from a thunderstorm by flying a kite or shooting a tethered rocket into it. But these plans were rejected because the Van Allen belts help protect organisms and electronics from the solar wind.
A weakening of the belts might also influence the Telluric currents and change the behaviour of the Earth's magnetic field.

(3) Starfish Prime was a high-altitude (400km) nuclear bomb test over the Pacific in 1962. About 1500km away in Hawaii, the Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) caused street lights to fail, TVs and radios to malfunction, burglar alarms to go off and power lines to fuse. On Kauai, the telephone microwave link to other islands was burned out.

Also, an artificial aurora was created over the Pacific, a trace elements in the fallout were used to study the mixing of polar and tropical air masses, and some radioactive particles were accumulated in organisms like fungi and lichen.

So there you go, planty of ways for powerful electromagnetic experiments to instigate The End Of The World!

Hoot if it hasnt been said before then im saying now .....YOU ARE A FREAKING GENIUS hehe
Love the proof you've found of just how the whole EM connection could indeed bring about big ole armageddon type action .
And glad youve resurrected this thread ......an oldie but a goodie !

Hi guys,great thread


Not sure where i stand on the valeenti code(sp)
Tbh not sure where i stand on anything regarding lost..


Someone put a link up in this thread(was appollo rising(He was saying he had allready written somit before he replied(or somit like that)))
Anyway what he linked was to a site about a merge between Hanso foundation and oceanic...And thery had been testing a auto pilted plane(with a bad result)
Lol anyway you know the site i mean?

I have a siomply question about the site
Who hosts/runs it?
Is it part of a clue in the lost experience?

If it is a fake site(by lost expereince or whatever)
Then the sub sites on them are fake?

I am thinking of the Sub links for the Mental health remedies and the the Memerory Remedies...

Lol do u understand what i mean?

hi this isnt really relevant to this post at all, but i didnt know where else to put it (surely there has to be some main threads, stickies, something about popular topics like this one?!) anyway, all the numbers seem to fit in somewhere - the flight was number 815 = 8, 15
- correct me if im wrong but when they thought there were just the front end survivors there were 42 of them?? I thought of something else last night but i cant remember it! whaddaya reckon?