Medication. hmm. Is that what they call whisky nowdays eh?

Originally posted by smokeysbandit:
Medication. hmm. Is that what they call whisky nowdays eh?

could be

As lost slowly draws closer to the start of season 4. (Which might be even delayed due to a writers strike) hopefully not. (I canny take it anymore captain) I will plod along with my insane thought to what is going on in Lost .
I guess if I think of all the possibilities one of my ideas will surely be right.
Why are people speculating so much as to what is going on in this show.
I like a lot of other shows and never felt the need to try and find out what is going on in them.
I am quite bad when watching films now as I try and work out the ending (usually wrong
One of the awful endings in lost is that it is all in Hurley’s head which is possible because he seems to have a link to the numbers more than any other lostie
The numbers are quite interesting the Valenzetti equation the numbers that depict the end of days.
My recent research on the numbers took a direction on the Masonic eye which could be the connection that has been shown at the start of every season beginning as from the eye of Jack to Juliette and has been seen on the mural in the Swan hatch.
Here is some connections to the numbers connected by the view that the illuminate is at work on the island and not Hurley’s head.
Anyhoo here is those damn numbers
Number 4 is the tetrad or Quaternary of the Pythagoreans! and it is a sacred number in the advanced Degrees. The Pythagoreans called it a perfect number, and hence it has been adopted as a sacred number in the Degree of Perfect Master. In many nations of antiquity the name of God consists of four letters, as the Adad, of the Syrians, the Amum of the Egyptians, the efos of the Greeks, the Deus of the Romans, and pre-eminently the Tetragrammaton or four-lettered name of the Jews. But in Symbolic Freemasonry this number has no special significance.
Number 8-Among the Pythagoreans the number eight was esteemed as the first cube, being formed by the continued multiplication of 2 by 2 by 2, and signified friendship, prudence, counsel, and justice; and, as the cube or reduplication of the first even number, it was made to refer to the primitive law of nature, which supposes all men to be equal.
Christian numerical symbologists have called it the symbol of the resurrection, because Jesus rose on the 8th day, that is, the day after the 7th, and because the name of Jesus in Greek numerals, corresponding to its Greek letters, is 10, 8, 200, 70, 400, 200, which, being added up, is 888. Hence, too, they call it the Dominical Number. As eight persons were saved in the ark, those who, like Faber, have adopted the theory that the Arkite Rites pervaded all the religions of antiquity, find an important symbolism in this number, and as Noah was the type of the resumetion, they again find in it a reference to that doctrine. It can, however, be scarcely reckoned among the numerical symbols of Freemasonry.
Number 15 A sacred number symbolic of the name of God, because the letters of the holy name YOD HE, Jah, are equal, in the Hebrew mode of numeration by the letters of the alphabet, to fifteen; YOD is equal to ten, and HE is equal to five. Hence, from veneration for this sacred name, the Hebrews do not, in ordinary computations, when they wish to express the number fifteen, make use of these two letters, but of two others, which are equivalent to nine and six.
Number 16 is significant to the occultist; it is 4x4 (Remember that the four upper points of the Goathead Pentagram represent the Four Elements of which the earth is constructed). Number 16 literally means "felicity", means blissful happiness or anything which will produce such a state. Certainly, blissful happiness is the stated goal of any satanic system. A corollary meaning of 16 is love.
Number 23
The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not be in want. He makes me lie down in green pastures, he leads me beside quiet waters, he restores my soul. He guides me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows. Surely goodness and love will follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.
Number 42 the meaning of life according to Douglas Adams'
Source: Mackey's Encyclopaedia of Freemasonry and other weird sites.
Quite interesting that the free masonry/illuminati has been very influential in the United States.
And in Masonic practise though out the years have strong connections to numbers.
And some of the streets in Washington are laid out to form a pentangle the sign of the devil and a belief in an new world order.
It could be that the good and evil black and white references in lost could be taking on this fight. It could be that the island depicted in lost is the inner workings of Hurley’s head and we are seeing his fight for control of his sanity, through the imaginary fight of the losties and others.

you do this to me torry

lol that's too much coffee not enough hmm hmm that makes you smokey

Excellent stuff Torry. check out Mani the prophet and his light vs dark idea in his ohilosophy, i'll get some and post it actually for ya.

Mani was an exceptionally gifted child and he inherited his father's mystic temperament. It is said that communications of a supernatural character came to him. He traveled far and wide including Turkistan, India and Iran, among others, with many disciples to carry out evangelism. After forty years of travel he returned with his retinue to Persia and converted Peroz, King Shapur's brother to his teaching.

Mani, being influenced by Mandaeanism, began preaching at a young age. According to biographical accounts by al-Biruni, preserved in the 10th-century encyclopedia the Fihrist of Ibn al-Nadim, during his youth, Mani received a revelation from a spirit whom he would later call the Syzygos or Twin, who taught him the divine truths of the religion. During this period, the large existing religious groups, most notably Christianity and Zoroastrianism, were competing for stronger political and social power. Mani also followed the holy books Puran and Kural. Although having fewer adherents than Zoroastrianism, for example, Manichaeism won the support of high ranking political figures and with the aid of the Persian Empire, Mani would initiate several missionary excursions.

Mani's first excursion was to the Kushan Empire in northwestern India (several religious paintings in Bamiyan are attributed to him), where he is believed to have lived and taught for some time. He is said to have sailed to the Indus valley area of India in 240 or 241 CE, and to have converted a Buddhist King, the Turan Shah of India. On that occasion various Buddhist influences seem to have permeated Manichaeism: "Buddhist influences were significant in the formation of Mani's religious thought. The transmigration of souls became a Manichaean belief, and the quadripartite structure of the Manichaean community, divided between male and female monks (the "elect") and lay followers (the "hearers") who supported them, appears to be based on that of the Buddhist sangha."

After failing to win the favor of the next generation, and being disapproved of by the Zoroastrian clergy, Mani is reported to have died in prison awaiting execution by the Persian Emperor Bahram I, while alternate accounts have it that he was either flayed to death or beheaded.


[edit] Accounts by Christian writers
According to Cyril of Jerusalem the knowledge acquired by Mani derived from the travels to India of a man named Scythianus in 50CE. After the death of Scythianus, his pupil Terebinthus went to Palestine and Judaea ("becoming known and condemned in Judaea") and Babylon. He used the name 'Buddas', which could mean he presented himself as a Buddha and may suggest a link between his philosophy and Buddhism [1]. Terebinthus brought with him the books of Scythianus, which he presented upon his death to his lodger, a widow with a slave named Cubricus, who later changed his name to Mani (from "Manes" in Persian, meaning "discourse"). Mani is said to have studied the books, which thereby become the source of Manichean doctrine [2]

Also in the fourth century, Ephraim attacked Mani for letting himself be overcome by "the Lie" from India, introducing "two powers which were against each other."

There has been a black and white symbolism through out lost from the black and white stones found with the skeletons named Adam and eve to the back gammon pieces. When Claire has her nightmarish visions/dreams,
one is of Locke with one white eye & one black eye
The glasses made for Sawyer are a fusing of two
frames: one white & one black
The plume/tower of smoke that supposedly signals that “the others” are coming is black. (The same tower of smoke went up before “the others” took Danielle’s daughter Alex.)
The “monster” is, apparently, a wisp of black smoke
The polar bear was white (and, just for the record: polar bears have black skin)
Jack’s suit in the first episode was black & white
Charlie’s shoes (Vans?) that he hid his drugs in had a black & white checkerboard pattern.
Jack chooses “standard black” as the thread colour for his stitches.
In the first episode, Jack passes a white shoe hanging from a tree with a black lining
So all this symbolism of black and white is it to good and evil ??
Taking that there are many religions Mani could be one of them Blacklove but only one evil so who are the good guys? Ben claims that they are and who are the bad guys?
Why so many secrets, Juliet says to Sayid when she was picking up the serum to help Claire, if you knew what we were up to you would kill me. What is she and the others up to?
Questions don’t know answers!!!

The whole idea of manichaesm Torry is that there really isnt good or bad only a choice that pertains to such. Like the old adage in Christianity, let he who has not sinned cast the first stone highlighting that who are we to judge.Mani sees the light as the soul and the dark as the body that houses the light. They conflict each other. I mentioned in a post earlier that maybe we have been slightly fooled, maybe Sayid would kill them as under maniuchaesm the world is flawed and they are using the valenzetti equation not to save but rather destroy the world. The experimenst in black rock and mirror matter may be a way of surviving into an alternate time if the present is destroyed. Check the post i left on Bayes theorem and hugh Everett.

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Originally posted by blacklove:
The whole idea of manichaesm Torry is that there really isnt good or bad only a choice that pertains to such. Like the old adage in Christianity, let he who has not sinned cast the first stone highlighting that who are we to judge.Mani sees the light as the soul and the dark as the body that houses the light. They conflict each other. I mentioned in a post earlier that maybe we have been slightly fooled, maybe Sayid would kill them as under maniuchaesm the world is flawed and they are using the valenzetti equation not to save but rather destroy the world. The experimenst in black rock and mirror matter may be a way of surviving into an alternate time if the present is destroyed. Check the post i left on Bayes theorem and hugh Everett.

The alternate time is such a cool idea but as we have said before the writers have dismissed this idea damn them

I was looking back at some of the things that seemed to be odd and one thing that was put in our view, was the ring worn by Charlie, with DS on it. This is the ring which inspired the group Driveshaft.
It is supposed to be a family heirloom from great grandfather Dexter Stratton, which is possibly the connection to (DS) I think this ring has more meaning. (is that so)


Well on closer inspection the ring has a six point star in the background and could have a magical /Occult connection or Masonic background and the DS could infact stand for Dog Star (Sirius) which has strong meaning to the Egyptians, Masons and.
Many cultures have historically attached special significance to Sirius. The star was worshipped as Sothis in the valley of the Nile long before Rome was founded. The Middle Kingdom of Egyptians based their calendar on the heliacal rising of Sirius, which occurred just before the annual flooding of the Nile and the summer solstice. The hieroglyph for Sothis features a star and a triangle. Interestingly, Sothis was identified with the great goddess Isis who formed a part of a trinity with her husband Osiris and their son Horus. In Greek mythology.
The ring to me looks like it could be a ritual ring might be of some use at this Temple we haven't seen yet?
It might be that Arron is the second coming and the ring was his destiny who knows

I dont have the patience or brain capacity to read & take in all this information. I'll just sit it out till S4... Tis going to be a loooong winter.

Jamie don't sell your self short, you like the Idea's behind lost and that's what counts
and yes it is brass monkey's just now

On going with the Masonic/Iluminati/Magnets
The Black Rock was owned and run by the British trading group the New World Sea Traders and was one of the three slaving ships the company ran. The slave trade had been outlawed in 1807, indicating the New World Sea Traders operated in the black market.
The Masons were influential in the end of Slavery and if you check out William Blake
It is a well-established fact that William and his wife Catherine in April 1789 attended the first General Conference of the Swedenborgian New Jerusalem Church in Great Eastcheap, London, and that they both put their signatures to a document of forty-two propositions in support of its doctrines.
But, if many of the mystical-magnetic healers in question claimed to derive their theories of morality, society, state and cosmos from the teachings of the Swedish visionary Emanuel Swedenborg, this was based on certain radical readings of the prophet that were treated as heresies by the more conservative clerics who came to dominate the Swedenborgian New Jerusalem Church in London. The conflict is important for a consideration of Blake. One of the great unexplained mysteries in Blake research has been why he suddenly withdrew his support for the Swedenborgian Church to launch a virulent attack on the prophet in the satire The Marriage of Heaven and Hell.
Oh so close
Were the masons involved with saving these Slaves and forcing the boat aground using some divine power.
The dates are in keeping with the story of the Black Rock.
The only other mystery is how the hell did the Black rock get so far inland, is it to do with what has said here before with the Philadelphia experiment.
Is there a river Styx encircling around the island, where no one is allowed to escape.
Who knows

Torry

The masons originated from the stonemasons, didnt they? Their symbols are from stonmasonry tools hanyways. Maybe they made the four toed statue??

I wonder if the Black Rock got there because of a tsunami or something similar. They have happened regularly in the earths history havent they. They have something to do with the earths tectonic plates moving, (teehe, hark at me, when really I just happened to watch a tv programme on it the other day!)

Hanyways, despite thinking that I sounded clever, I now have no idea where I was going with that!!

Hey smokey I'm not to sure about that, but there are secret symbols for the masons all over the place.
I think it goes back further to the Templers and the holywars.

Great stuff on the ring Torry. I very interested in Egyptian mythology and think the Dog star thing is very significant.
i have the eye of horus as a tattoo on my back.
Will recheck some of my books for some stuff and post some info back

I was quite excited when I saw the ring that Charlie was wearing. It had more meaning to the story and the mystery behind the Masons, could be what is going on with the Windmore family. this could be the connection that I have been looking for.