Drifting in the Past( Updated)
Thanks to Horseys mate for the mathematical calculations and the horsemeister for posting them.
So we can see that for every 2 minutes on island that 31 minutes elapse on the outside world.
For every hour on the island 15.5 have elapsed off the island.
For every day 15.5 days have occurred off island
For every year 15.5 years have occurred off the island.
WHAT TIME IS IT?
Oceanic Flight 815 crashed on september 22nd 2004...
They have now been on the Island for 93 Island days...
Or 3.95 outer world years...
Meaning while the events on the island happen it is realy the start of September 2008
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DANIELLE
Danielle has been on the Island for 16 years, Apparently
Meaning 248 outside world years
Concluding that she arrived between 1756 and 1760
(This will also mean Alex is 248 years old)
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REPRODUCTION ON THE ISLAND
On the Island only one thing ages at the outside worlds rate, and that is the reproductive system of the women
The opposite effect happens to men, the reproductive system is boosted.
Women die in there 3rd trimester, if they get pregnant at all because the baby grows at an abnormal rate, not allowing changes to occur in the body
A 26 year old was mistaken for having the womb of a baron woman in her 70s, this is due to the time lapse.
This point highlights the fact that the ie the womb is no longer fertile and also that in the real world the child if they were to exist would be older than the parent themselves thereby making them non existent through the laws of science.
Locke
Now let’s look at Locke and his sudden ability to walk. Locke arrived on the island in an invalidated state. On the island he found her had the ability to walk again. This has occurred as the island has drifted into the past and has passed the point where Lock lost the use of his legs and therefore is now able to walk. If Locke was able to leave the island then he would be unable to walk again.
Aaron
If the idea is correct then we have to presume that at some stage soon that aaron will pass the point of his birth while on the island, thereby ceasing to exist and existing at the same time. Aaron though since born on the island will not die and this could explain why Aaron is 4 years old in the flashforward. Aaron is about 2 months old on the island there fore in the real world he would be 620 days old which is roughly two years old so if Aaron is four in the flashforward then we could assume that with time of trial etc that Aaron leaves the island in approximately the next ten island days which would go with the spoiler we have read about how he gets off the island.
Helicopter
The helicopter hasn’t made it back to the freighter yet. What should have been a routine 20 minute flight has turned out to be longer. Using the calculations then it should take them 20*31 =620 minutes = over ten hours which would coincide with their arrival on the freighter in the next episode.
The Science Bit
If you have a very small pinpointed field of energy, or in this case a naturally occurring magnetism, around the island it may effectively bend light which is nothing more than a form of radiation around it. Therefore making it invisible to the naked eye and to navigational instrumentation.
If the force is bending light, it is also bending time and space (space contraction, time dilatation: Einstein), which make the time run slowly on the island. This would make the island priceless for the others and financially attractive for the Dharma initiative and explain so many strange phenomenon’s. If they have been there 6 months and are finally rescued.,back in LA it might be 2 years later or even more. The Losties think and feel they are still in 2004, but the fact is that they are neither in 2004 nor in 2006. When they get off the island they are in 2006, but on the island, since the time goes slowly for a seriously long period of time.
Ben
Ben arrived on the island aged about ten years old and is now about 38 if my memory serves me. Thereby off the island since Ben arrived 434 years have passed if they have been continually drifting. This would mean that Ben arrived on the island in 1976 in real time which would totally coincide with the layout and design of the camp etc.
The Loop
Now back to our Loop idea. The characters can’t physically continue to survive back into the past as such and it would make the island impossible to find to a degree therefore as stated previously the island goes in a loop of past present and future. The circle of life. The further it drifts the longer to return to reality thereby it traverses all the points at certain stages of its orbit of the earth. Just like the earth revolves around the sun, the island revolves around the earth using its magnetic core. Thereby placing it in many locations at many times. The law of co-existence.
Des & Penny
This would explain why Penny doesn’t know she has hired Naomi to find Desmond yet. When Charlie speaks to her she is in the future where she hasn’t hired the freighter team yet but because they have travelled into the past to find the island they are already there. Penny isn’t aware of their secret mission but you can be damn sure Charles Widmore does. Think of the bottle of Whiskey Des shares with Charlie. We get a flashback to Charles with Des drinking the whiskey although he doesn’t give Des a glass. It’s a vintage bottle. But on the island it’s a new bottle of whiskey. We are not aware of where it came from but I think it’s a clue to the past thing here. Remember Des wry smile now as though he was putting pieces together in his head. His premonitions are visions of the present as experience but they have drifted from them so they through faith will occur again.
Hugh Everett
The father of E from Eels who had a great documentary about his parralell and time bending theory on tv recently
The renowned Hugh Everett and his theory on multiple universes and time bending. In his lifetime he was laughed at for it by the likes of Niels Bohr who wouldn’t shift on his own Copenhagen theorem to explain quantum mechanics.
A really interesting point though that could be related to what is being experimented with on Lost is Everett’s future career with his own company called the Lambda Corporation who were designing mathematical models for the military. Everett was enamoured with using Bayes Theorem to correlate the probability of future events with past experiences.
In 1971 he invented a prototype computer program that learns from experience and simplifies decision making by deducing probable outcomes much like the human faculty of common sense.
His work after his death is now widely celebrated. to finish with a quote by the great man himself:
"The totality of experience is never fully accessible to us"
Quantum immortality is a metaphysical speculation derived from the quantum suicide thought experiment. It states that the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics implies that conscious beings are immortal
A physicist sits in front of a gun which is triggered or not triggered depending on the decay of some radioactive atom. With each run of the experiment there is a 50-50 chance that the gun will be triggered and the physicist will die. If the Copenhagen interpretation is correct, then the gun will eventually be triggered and the physicist will die. If the many-worlds interpretation is correct then at each run of the experiment the physicist will be split into one world in which he lives and another world in which he dies. After many runs of the experiment, there will be many worlds. In the worlds where the physicist dies, he will cease to exist. However, from the point of view of the non-dead copies of the physicist, the experiment will continue running without his ceasing to exist, because at each branch, he will only be able to observe the result in the world in which he survives, and if many-worlds is correct, the surviving copies of the physicist will notice that he never seems to die, therefore "proving" himself to be immortal, at least from his own point of view.
Therefore even thought they drift into the past they matter splits which allows their existence between two existential worlds. This is why the losties don’t die even though they are reverting the course of nature by bypassing their date of birth. The fact they weren’t born in this timeline ensure their survival while also proving the point about the children conceived on the island dying as they born within the drifting timeline.
In the movie "The Prestige" (2006), the magician Robert Angier (Hugh Jackman) attains a series of successful quantum suicides using a machine invented by Nikola Tesla (David Bowie), fictionally invented in the film. Actually what happens is duplication (in the same universe) followed a suicide, which is similar to quantum suicide.
Richard Alpert
The drifting time would explain Richard Alperts youthfulness. He travels between the island and real time as we saw when he recruited Juliet. Therefore when he steps onto the island it could all be within a certain time frame. In reality when he first sees Ben and when Ben is an adult Richard wouldn’t age as because of the island drifting time Richard would only have aged about two years. For every year on island 15.5 have occurred off. Therfore if Ben there about 28 years only and with time drifting then only two years have occurred in real time or 31 in island time to be exact. Therefore due to the time drifting Richard in two years travekling back has seen ben go from boy to man rapidly. So he is not forever youthful, he is merely his age in real time where not much time has occurred.
Experiments
If we take Richards example on the time line then it means that Dharma can do about 31 years of experiments in two tears real time on the island making it financially sound and letting them all the time they need to mess with markets and monetary value.
Adelos
Adelos was a drifting island in Greek mythology that was both
invisible and unattached to the ocean floor. Poseidon anchored the island with chains, making it visible and stationary. Once visible, it was known as Delos, and served as the birth place of Apollo. There are, of course, many parallels between the island in LOST and Adelos. Perhaps most importantly, the island seems largely invisible and capable of occupying several locations around the surface of the earth.
Island science
Where is the island?
* More likely than not, it is oscillating (that is, orbiting) around the center of Earth. Remember, matter and mirror-matter typically don't interact with one another. Foot actually speculates that a rock of mirror matter would slip through your hand and oscillate about the center of the earth (passing right through it, but nevertheless attracted by the warping of gravity caused by the earth's mass). You might think of the island as the electron in a hydrogen molecule. Likewise, you can imagine the island as the small black dot in this logo:
Why can't the island easily be found?
* One, it's probably in orbit, meaning, at best, it cycles through different locations near the Earth's surface as it orbits. Two, it's basically invisible, being mirror-matter. An EMP might give away its momentary location, but it would leave that spot shortly after the pulse, making it a wild-goose-chase until it returns, temporarily, to the area. And even then, it would still be invisible.
How is the island accessible?
* The chirality (the handedness) of the interactions between mirror-matter particles is "right-handed," whereas interactions between "our" particles are "left-handed." In a very simple sense, to switch between "worlds," you switch chirality. JJ and Damon needed a "simple" way to pull this off. It seems the island disturbs the electromagnetic field of the surrounding matter on Earth as it moves, causing storms. Desmond, Flight 815, Eko's plane, the Black Rock, Danielle's vessel, and maybe Naomi's chopper apparently "switched" when the storms (or EMP) caused a shift in chirality. The island was beneath them when they switched. Hanso vessels ( e.g., the sub) can pull off the switch "unnaturally," with technology.
The crash
The plane "landed" on the island when the EM pulse acted to switch the plane's chirality. By the next morning, the island had shifted to a trench near Bali. The French sub Nautile coincidentally was on a deep-sea mission to check out the ocean trench. It descended to its maximum operating depth of 6,000 meters (~ 4 miles) and then flipped on the lights at its bow. Suddenly, its bow was scraping along some strange material. In fact, the light allowed the lighted hull of the sub to interact with the earth of the island. Thinking they must be scraping along the ocean floor, the pilot ascended a bit and then noticed what appeared to be the cockpit of the plane that just crashed near Fiji the day before. It was eery and ghost-like, but then again, it's muddy down there, and well, maybe they were mistaken about where the plane crashed. He saw the body of the pilot and picked him up with the hydraulic arm at the front of the sub. Is that really the pilot? Probably.( now we know its not the pilot). But wait, there are more bodies drifting about...
That’s enough for now
