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yup, sit down with a nice cuppa and a biscuit... ,,,.,= = NINJA CAT Word On The Street I am in love ♡ Zoanthropy = the delusion that one is an animal 
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This might seem really rubbash, bearing in mind the amount of time you have spent on this horsey, but the one thing that stood out for me in support of your theory is this. When we first met Henry Gale/Ben, and subsequently found out exactly who he was - what most amazed me was the guys apparant "Derren Brown" type mind which seemed to be able to predict exactly how people would react. Now, people like Sayid & Locke are also quite good at that kinda stuff, but they are not in Ben's league at all. THe things that had to happen in order for everything to work out in the way that Ben had wanted were absolutely unbelievable. The only explaination (apart from the fact that they are in "tellyland" and anything is possible!) is that Ben did know exactly what was going to happen. But, he only knows the things that happened previously, I assume?? So, if Naomi's boat coming hasnt happened before, he only knows that things will change, he doesnt know how? Yeah? Am I talking bowlacks, or wot!!!??  Best Forum Member 2007!  |
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I agree Smokey. Ben is in tune with his 'loop' more than others and certainly a whole lot more than the losties. Some things he can control by 'chatting' to them, like when he decided to go and talk Jack out of it when he could easily have led the rest of the Others up there for a full on war - he did know a short cut after all! But some peoples loops are there own to decide on...'DON'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN AND CAN'T DO!' for instance. Now i am rambling too.. Anyhoo, what I wanted to say is yes, I agree, Ben can only know that everything is about to change if indeed he is aware of his own loop or the Losties loops he can only seen what has happened in previous loops. This also supports the fact that it is NOT Pennys boat...  ,,,.,== NINJA CAT Word On The Street I am in love ♡ Zoanthropy = the delusion that one is an animal
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And yet more evidence to support this theory found in my Rewatch of S1 Ep4, Walkabout. As posted in the Rewatch thread: Jack to Kate: ‘I’d say you had trouble staying in one place.’ On first watching, this is directly related to the fact that she’s on the run, but on Rewatch… and stick with me here… does this hint towards Black Horse’s time loop theory? In the Flash Forward, Kate is keen to get away from Jack, and back to ‘him’, and Jack tells her it was a mistake that they left the island, and that they should go back, possibly to stay ‘in one place’ (Adam and Eve?). Is Jack’s comment a subconscious dig for what keeps repeating? Locke (talking about the walkabout): ‘Where one becomes inseparable from the Earth.’ John has been on quite a walkabout on the Island, and has become inseparable from it. He kept saying the walkabout was his ‘destiny’. Was his destiny, in fact, the walkabout on the Island (again, possible link to BH’s time loop theory, with Locke just misreading what has already played out).
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quote: Originally posted by dan5773: And yet more evidence to support this theory found in my Rewatch of S1 Ep4, Walkabout. As posted in the Rewatch thread: Jack to Kate: ‘I’d say you had trouble staying in one place.’ On first watching, this is directly related to the fact that she’s on the run, but on Rewatch… and stick with me here… does this hint towards Black Horse’s time loop theory? In the Flash Forward, Kate is keen to get away from Jack, and back to ‘him’, and Jack tells her it was a mistake that they left the island, and that they should go back, possibly to stay ‘in one place’ (Adam and Eve?). Is Jack’s comment a subconscious dig for what keeps repeating? Locke (talking about the walkabout): ‘Where one becomes inseparable from the Earth.’ John has been on quite a walkabout on the Island, and has become inseparable from it. He kept saying the walkabout was his ‘destiny’. Was his destiny, in fact, the walkabout on the Island (again, possible link to BH’s time loop theory, with Locke just misreading what has already played out).
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FINALLY read the whole thing now! been too busy to read it all at once! very interesting and plausible. just a couple of bits -they might be obvious or been answered before but im in a thick mood! when did the first loop start? what was the cause of it all? Could Hurley be slightly different - you said about them all being on the island for a reason but it seemed he was destined not to be there, there were so many things preventing him form getting on the plane. And this is kinda random, doesnt really link with the theory but it just popped into my mind so...could Jacob actually be a real person? He has been referred to as male and for a split second we saw 'him' but could it be the initials for an experiment - not Jacob but J.A.C.O.B. Maybe they were trying to do something and they created something that resembled a human but actually isnt? Im not sure if that makes sense - just an idea! Member #2 of LRMW fanclub! Bad things happen here! Voted kindest member '07 |
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sorry - just re-read that and the sentence 'could Jacob actually be a real person?' doesnt make sense - i was trying to say that maybe he's NOT a real person. Member #2 of LRMW fanclub! Bad things happen here! Voted kindest member '07 |
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the whole thing doesnt make much sense now ive re-re-read it! it did when i first thought of it! Think i was trying to say that he's not human at all, not a real person Oh, i give up! Member #2 of LRMW fanclub! Bad things happen here! Voted kindest member '07 |
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I know what you mean, waderz... ... oh, hang on, now I've re-read it...
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quote: Originally posted by C'ptn Babz: Right... Starters - im not going to take credit for this! Basically, i was browsing on this site i go on reguarly and i was looking for a quote from Lost....so anyway...i see a thread saying that Charlie will be fine so i have to take peek right...and this is what this guy has put as his thoery: "All the characters stories are on a loop. They have been running/living the same loop for who knows how long and how many times. Maybe hundreds. Don't ask me why, I was never good at science. The whole point to their madness is to figure out they are on a loop so that everyone doesn't make the same mistakes. Hence Jack's crappy future life for example. Locke is figuring this out, Ben knows this. That is why they do things that seem bad but really aren't. Like locke killing Naomi. Locke tried to stop Jack from getting them rescued because they are not supposed to, or at least not rescued yet or at that certain way or time. That's why flash forward Jack wants to go back, he knows they made another mistake, which is why he tells Kate "he is tired of lying!" Desmond's flashes are memories from all the times they have gone through the loop and all the mistakes they have made, except now he is remembering them ever since he turned the key and blew up the hatch and now he is trying to prevent these flashes. Every flash he has had of Charlie's death have been past loops that have gone wrong. Next season they will most likely go back to this moment again and he will prevent Charlie from drowning aswell, like one of those choose your own adventure books....plus if you haven't figured it out yet, it was Charlie that programed the code in the looking glass in first place since it was programed by a musician...all this happened on a past loop. A loop we have not seen yet, but am sure will see in the future. Which means Charlie will be back next season when they repeat the loop again. Yes Charlie is dead....he did die. So DM and the writers did not lie. But, they did also say that the reference to death on the show LOST should be interpreted in a way that the audience is not expecting. When they repeat the loop again, they will have to make different choices. In the end each character will have to go through the loop until they realize what they are meant to know, they will eventually never get on the plane in the first place, and none of the castaways will ever meet each other in their lives even though their paths have crossed over so many times before. Which is what causes that moment between two people who have never met but feel like they are connected in a way they can never explain." - Dont blame me if that doesnt make sense  IF that is true...then good news for Charlie!! yaaaay lol Anyhooo....what does everyone think?
thats kool..but u do know that the flash forward in the season finale (as i read on wikapedia) suggests the stage where jack and kate are rescued(this hasnt got anything to do with time travel forward)..basically its a clip of wats to come in future episodes of lost..an at a stage where they have been rescued and returned to the normal world..but they have to go 'back' for some reason..and basically someone important is in that coffin..jacks to the point of suicide ...and well theres a scene in the final episode where theres ocianic stuff everywhere.like maps and tickets and jacks getting really drunk over it.. jack saves a life..when hes about to commit suicide i duno but his whole image in the finale..seems like hes jesus!..but that would be and easy theory!..and jesus wouldnt commit suicide.. .. |
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WIKAPEDIA -The season ends on a cliffhanger, with Jack off-island in a suicidal state. While attempting to commit suicide, Jack witnessed a car accident which he immediately helped. Subsequently, he ends up in his "old hospital" where he is encountered by a new Chief of Surgery (his father's old position). While in the hospital sifting through pain medications, Jack is confronted concerning his alcoholism. It is important to note that at this time, Jack justifies his drunkenness by telling the Chief of Surgery to fire him if he is "drunker than his father upstairs," suggesting that his father was still alive at this point, in what may possibly be an alternate time frame. After seeing an obituary for and being the sole attendee at the mortuary viewing of an unnamed individual -- and expressing distress over the person’s death -- he meets up with a mysterious person at the airport. The person is Kate, and it is revealed that Jack’s flashback was in fact a flashforward, with (at least) he and Kate making it off the island at some point in the future. He tells her that leaving the island was a mistake, and that they need to return. Kate says no, drives away, leaving Jack alone screaming that they "have to go back."
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We don't know if it is actually a flash-foward, showing what is to come in future episodes. The rest of the seasons may still be on the island. The 'flashforward' could just be a glimpse of what could happen if Jack makes the mistake of leaving the island, or at least leaving the island by the means of Naomi's boat. What im trying to say (i think ) is that the flashforward does not definately show thefinal outcome of lost! And welcome to the forum! heres a welcome pressie  Member #2 of LRMW fanclub! Bad things happen here! Voted kindest member '07 |
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i dno if this has been said - but could the "it'll come back around" thing relate to the time loop theory? ........................................................................................................................... WHO THE HELL'S NIKKI???#3 of the KEEP DESMOND ALIVE campaign NINJAS |
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quote: Originally posted by waderz: We don't know if it is actually a flash-foward, showing what is to come in future episodes. The rest of the seasons may still be on the island. The 'flashforward' could just be a glimpse of what could happen if Jack makes the mistake of leaving the island, or at least leaving the island by the means of Naomi's boat. What im trying to say (i think ) is that the flashforward does not definately show thefinal outcome of lost! And welcome to the forum! heres a welcome pressie
have u seen 'the butterfly effect'? it was on last saturday. Basicly this man could go back in time and when he changed little things - did them differently, when he woke up in the real time his life was totally different, coz of little things he changed in his past. I thought that might have some relevance coz of wt u just said. Probably dunt but life goes on ........................................................................................................................... WHO THE HELL'S NIKKI???#3 of the KEEP DESMOND ALIVE campaign NINJAS |
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quote: Originally posted by -->nev<--:
i dno if this has been said - but could the "it'll come back around" thing relate to the time loop theory?
Absolutely Nev! And the butterfly effect film you were talking about is a very similar type polt to the loop theory. Waderz, you answered the other questions from mangos very well, thank you... Welcome to the forum mangos If Jacob is actually j.a.c.o.b. perhaps we should try and concentrate on what that might stand for? ,,,.,== NINJA CAT Word On The Street I am in love ♡ Zoanthropy = the delusion that one is an animal
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i try my best! we could do although i might be completly wrong! Member #2 of LRMW fanclub! Bad things happen here! Voted kindest member '07 |
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quote: have u seen 'the butterfly effect'? it was on last saturday. Basicly this man could go back in time and when he changed little things - did them differently, when he woke up in the real time his life was totally different, coz of little things he changed in his past.
I know exactly what your saying nev. I posted a discussion on this not so long ago, and i think that LOST and THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT are on the same wavelength when it comes to desmonds story. Voted funniest forum member for the moment  Well if it ain't 3 men and a baby..................... I counted Hugo twice
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