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Wizard of Oz

Henry is Dorothy’s uncle.
Her surname is Gale.
The red shoes worn by the man that Mrs Hawking’s states will die to Desmond.
The red slippers worn by the witch in Wizard of Oz.
The air balloon Henry Gale travelled in like the Wizard of Oz.
Oz a nickname for Australia where they were travelling from on plane.

Damon Lindhof hinted that Henry gale may be the man behind the Iron curtain. Thereby making him possibly the leader of the others. It was then confirmed that Henry was dead and Ben assumed his identity thereby Ben is the head of the Island and the others ie the Emerald City. The co-ordinates to get to the island could be the equivalent of the yellow brick road.

In my last post I was on about the master list. Mikhail tells three characters:
He explains, "You're not on the list because (looks at Kate) you are flawed... (looks at Locke) because you are angry... (turns to Sayid) and weak, and frightened."
So we have:
Sayid as the Lion.
Jack as the tin man
Kate is Dorothy
Locke is the scarecrow.

If Ben is the man behind the curtain then like the wizard he would need to help the characters.
Kate like Dorothy gets home. Will we see this is due to Ben? Kate also removes red shoes from passenger’s feet in the pilot episode that is trapped under wreckage.
Jack like the tin man needs a brain so he can think for himself rather than others. Jack is led by the popular consensus rather than having convictions of his own. He is a poor leader and afraid to look bad in front of the others. He follows the crowd.
Sayid is a coward like the lion. While Sayid may be tough and strong and strike fear into the hearts of people like the lion deep down he is a coward for his actions like the torturing and interrogation of people. He goes on a killing spree for Ben. There is no redemption for his victims like a lion too worried very little of his prey. Sayid needs also to learn to be a man.
Locke is the scarecrow. He like a scarecrow scares people instead of birds. Locke wants his kidney back. The scarecrow wants a heart but Locke in a way wants a heart as he constantly craves love of his Dad who takes that love/heart away. He is searching to belong like the scarecrow.

Hurley I think is Glinda the good with. Glinda has a Glinda bird. We have a hurley bird. Hurley is the one that keeps going on about going back, that sees Charlie, that knows they have done wrong and wants to put it right. While Hurley was seen as a bit of a non entity we have seen him to be courageous and cunning and willing to help others like the good witch.
The Glinda bird tells glinda what goes on and seems to direct the group back to the Emerald city. There is also mention of a special silver box in the Return to Oz, a pandoras box of sorts.



The Dark Tower which the boys are making in relation to Stephen King is full of Wizard references.
• In the book, Oz is surrounded by the "Deadly Desert" which prevents anyone from leaving by land. This is very similar to the bizarre tidal patterns around the Island that prevented Desmond from leaving on his boat.

• In the novel "The Number of the Beast" by Robert Heinlein, Glinda the Good Witch reminds two pregnant women that nobody gives birth in Oz.
• The wizard of Oz was followed up by a book called Journey back to Oz much like Lost where the characters will journey back to the island but how do they find the yellow brick road as we have seen Jack going mad with maps on his floor.
• Vincent could be a version of toto. We have seen Christian Shepherd tell the dog to wake Jack up as he has work to do. Meaning Vincent has some understanding of the island as a dog. Toto helped out many times in the Wizard of Oz against danger.
• The strongest magic in all the world; faith and love. This is the moral of the oz series and is very similar to Lost. We have Rose & bernard. Bernard stating as much to Jin after he learns of Suns affair. Kate & Jack. Sawyer & Kate. Ben & Alex. Juliet & Jack. Despite all the goings on about bewteen characters and the hardship their love and fate has endured. As Ben says to Michael what wouldn’t a father do for his son? He implies that michaels love for Walt is more powerful than the forces he will face. It will get him through despite the fear.
• The Wizard persuades the Scarecrow, the Tin Woodman, and the Cowardly Lion that what they lack are not brains or a heart or courage, but faith in themselves. Again in Lost the concept character wise of belief in themselves and developing. Hurley being a prime example.
• Alice was the protagonist for Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz and the writings of Lewis Carroll are an influence.
• Few bits to chew over


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Number of the Beast

Number of the beast is a novel influenced by the wizard of Oz. It contains a place called Oz where no woman can get pregnant.

10,314,424,798,490,535,546,171,949,056, which is the number of parallel universes accessible through the continua device to the protagonists.
The plot of the story revolves around Jacob's "Continua Device," a strange machine that can move the characters anywhere and anywhen without electricity. The continua device was built by Professor Burrough while he was formulating his theories on n-dimensional non-euclidean geometry. Burrough believes, and has proved during the story, that there are six dimensions; these are the three spacial dimensions familiar to everyone in addition to three time dimensions - t, our axis of time, τ (tau), and м (teh). The continua device can move the characters on all six axis.
He's a Mad Scientist and I'm his Beautiful Daughter is the first line of the book.
Could relate to Ben & Alex.
The Number of the Beast contains many in-jokes and references. For instance, the name of every villain is an anagram. The names in lost are relevant to real life people and anagrams play a big part in clues.
In this book Heinlein introduced the concept called "pantheistic solipsism" or "world-as-myth" — the theory that universes are created by the act of imagining them, so that somewhere even fictional worlds (Oz is one of the examples Heinlein uses) are real.

Every surreal number has an ordinal number as its birthday. For example, the birthday of 0 is 0, and the birthday of 1/2 is 2. A number { L | R } is equivalent to the simplest number between L and R, i.e., the number between L and R with the smallest ordinal as its birthday. { {1, 2} | {5, 8} }, therefore, is equivalent to 3, because the birthday of 3 is less than the birthday of any other number between 2 and 5.

This relates to Non-Euclidean Geometry which is where simply lines running parrallel have a variant where one bends slightly from the other like the islands timeline being 31 seconds off real time or vice versa as who are we to say which is right.

Yet another book Lost seems to have used for ideas.

Third Policeman
Lost Horizon
Wizard Of Oz
Alice in Wonderland
The works of CS Lewis

I’ll have to give up its getting too confusing, its like the biggest puzzle ever


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Nice work blacklove. Clapping

The only thing I can really comment on is The Wizard of Oz as it's the only one I know. There are as you say many factual similarities. Also they are all very good ideas.

I can see Jack as Dorothy not Kate.
To me he has always seemed to be slightly pushed forward as the main character whether we like it or not. Dorothy was the main character. This isn't the only reason it's just the most obvious.

It all begs the question who then is the wicked witch of the West. There has to be one. I don't think its Ben. Maybe Widmore? Geographically Widmore is coming from the West. The freighter people ? Jacob ? or the BSM ?

In the Wizard of Oz the key to leaving Oz was the ruby slippers. So what are the ruby slippers? Does Kate or Desmond provide the way off the island somehow because of their association with red shoes?

Lastly the whispers. In TWOO there were people the "munchkins" that hid under the flowers and watched.

Any thoughts?

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The munchkins as the whispers is good similarity. In Alice in wonderland the trees talked. comparison is that it seems the trees are talking as you cant see the munchkins below eye level.

jack as Dorothy is a thought i had also. my reason for going with kate was that she is delighted to get home in the flash forwards but Jack is miserable. That misery could be from guilt. We will find out soon.
Widmore from the west is a good observation and very possible, I would say I would agree with that. Making paik the wicked witch of the east.
Ben is the wizard for me or else Jacob but like the wizard Ben pulls all the strings and seems to orchestrate the proceedings.
The slippers thing in regards Desmond is possible as it is through pennys father that we see the island found which is associated with Desmond. Spoiler# its not the freighter people that rescue them# so we wait to see what that is. Will find out soon enough.


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Jack in a check dress and red stilettos *giggles*

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Don't forget his hair in plaits or was it ponytails! Can't remember. Big Grin

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...so are the Others the flying monkey's (that will upset Horsey!)?


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...My money's on Clare being the wicked witch....well, she makes me cringe anyway.. Ninja


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...My money's on Clare being the wicked witch....well, she makes me cringe anyway.. Ninja


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I'm interested as to why do you dislike Clare so much? She's boring yes ( at the moment anyway ) but I don't think she's that bad. Enlighten me. Smile

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Dont get Omen started on this one, you'll be here all day Big Grin


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Oaky dokey....

Clare = Whingy, whiney, washed out, dull, pointless, non-entity.
And the fact that really interesting characters have been bumped off (Eko, Charlie (even though he has a face like a weasle))just gets on my wick. I really cant think of anything interesting she has done or contributed (even when she got abducted) which has added to any of my enjoyment of this series. Get rid of her, get Charlie back, let him look after the alien offspring she has spawned, and i think we would all be a lot happier....oui?


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...I feel Xzactly the same way about Kate Mad
JUST KILL HER OFF! Big Grin


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But at least Kate is fit dude (im a lady, and even i will admit that one!), Clare (or Bleugh, as she should be called) hasnt even got that!

Oh, i forgot to add insipid to my above rant...dont forget insipid. Nod


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Laugh I'd rather see Sawyer do it with Joop than Kate LOL Eek


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Laugh I'd rather see Sawyer do it with Joop than Kate LOL Eek


Im disgusted and intrigued at the same time (there isnt a smiley for that!) Laugh


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Actually....why do you want to see Sawyer doing anything.....hmmmmm? Ninja


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hehe the pink hooves are showing again Laugh


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LOL blackie Big Grin do you want that to actually be red?

..if so best bet is to get it all correct in a reply box then cut and paste it into your profile Smile

AND by the way...cheaters never prosper! Ninja


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