I was making some discreet enquiries about the Knights Templar on certain occult, Masonic and conspiracy message boards online and the words of a rather shady and mysterious (and untraceable) character got my attention.
The messenger said he'd heard whispers of rumours of allegations, etc., that in a forthcoming Channel 4 & More 4 documentary to be titled "Da Vinci Decoded" and screened in mid-May, a genuine modern Templar is going to be interviewed in an secret underground Templar cave in Hertfordshire!
I've been trying to trace the modern Knights Templar all my life: not the Masonic Templars or a modern group, this is the original medieval Templar organisation which went underground in England between 1307 and 1309 while the inquisition tortured and slaughtered Templars in France (and to some extent elsewhere.) England naturally became a bolthole for fugitive Templars, whose bonds were only made stronger by their shared victimisation.
The order remains based in Hertfordshire to this day and it is possible that they posess great treasures. (The king searched in vain for the treasure of Temple Dinsley but the real 'treasure' may be found in the Templars' secret teachings.
Please, if anybody knows anything about this documentary, let me know. I must see it. This is very important to a great many many people.
(I'm really appealling to Channel 4 insiders here.)
Altus With your permission I would like to copy/post this on another forum (the da vinci code forum). See if we get any response. It sounds very interesting.
Please do not help this individual "Altus", remember you know nothing about him. Bad things sometimes happen to those who meddle in other people's affairs, it's a fact of Life.
This documentary is an outrage before G-d and I advise you not to watch it. It's a load of nonsense anyway and the only shreds of sense are taken wildly out of context.
In fact frankly it's a dangerous illusion: smoke and mirrors designed to make you think exactly what they want you to think.
Don't watch it. And don't help Mr. Greenjack, let alone Mr. "Altus" as he calls himself.
(Have you paused to consider what Altus means? I'll give you a clue: It's latin.)
"Seek and ye shalt find." (But you might not like it.)
A merry Mayday message for you, Jack in the Green, I think you will find it special -
Green Jack
Green branches carried through green leaves, Green man, green king falls to his knees, Wined and danced throughout the day, Time for the sacrifice to pay
Ancient Lune who hauls the tide, Gazes down, her great eye wide, Her ancient power tugs souls and seas, And makes men leap in lunacy
Amid the stones a winding dance, Maidens wand'ring deep in trance, Behold the Mother's Number, Nine, Recall the Labyrinth wound with twine?
Stones and grass are splashed with red, Ecstatic cries, "The king is dead!" King of Green, king for a day, Gift of blood for the first of May.
Altus, thanks for the wake up call - I too am interested, but probably not as much as yourself. Will keep alert though as I should hate to miss it.
Nex, we all know about the Green Man, he has a very long history indeed, harking back to ancient Greece and earlier. Why did Theseus leave Ariadne on the island of Naxos?????
Originally Ariadne was a vegetation goddess in Crete related to the other Cretan goddesses especially to Britomartis. Sometimes Ariadne was associated with the surname "Very Holy Maid," Another expression of the Divine feminine of course - the sacred bride of the vegetation/death and ressurection god Dionysus - just like Isis to Osiris or Mary mother of God or the Magdalene, the mother of Christ's children.
In the usual version of the myth, Dionysus appeared to Ariadne in a dream while she was in Naxos and gave her a divine command to stay in there because he wanted to marry her.
Ariadne is of immense spiritual significance because she gives us the thread that leads us all on our journey down through the labyrinth towards knowledge of our true selves - and the divine.
"Know thyself!" Socrates (from the Temple of the Oracle of Delphi)
"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" 1 Corinthians 3:16 16
Interesting I must say that I thought Ariadne in at least one of her forms, was the daughter of King Minos of Crete and the sister of Phaedra. That she guided Theseus through the labrinth and travelled with him in his ships to Athens, But in Naxos she was seduced by the maenads and the dionisiac wine and helped tear the king (the one to die) to pieces. That forms the basis for the plays and of course for Renault's "the king must die". But you have the earlier derivations - does some of this come into Grave's book "The White Goddess"? I think it does. Interesting too, is what you say about the trinity of gods and the transference to Christianity. I agree with all this, and should like to learn more.
The king being mutilated again harks back to the shredded Osiris found hanging among branches like some versions of Jesus. Just as Mary the Magdalene was there to represent the lifegiving divine Feminine at the ressurection of the battered and pierced Jesus, Isis, also known as "Maris" (meaning of the Sea and with a the blue mantle that found its way into the tradition of Mother Mary) rebuilt and ressurected Osiris. These are but echoes of the Great Mystery of life resounding through the ages in different forms. The theme can even be found in Gnostic myths like The Matrix where "neo" as in neo-christ is reborn into his true identity. Pinoccio is hanged on a tree and dies and there is a funeral but then the blue-haired (blue-mantled) fairy (Goddess) turns up and the puppet ressurects, going on to master his false self symbolised by the Donkey and be born again as a "real boy." There has long been a profound gnostic undercurrent influencing certain popular works of inspired fiction.
Indeed you must examine the theme of the labyrinth found on Cretan coins and also carved into the rock at Rocky Valley near St Nectan's Glen in Cornwall to properly begin your quest for the Holy Grail - knowledge of your true nature.
The history of this theme is as old as the human race.
Originally posted by nex: (Have you paused to consider what Altus means? I'll give you a clue: It's latin.)
Yep and it means "tall" or "high" depending on the context. So what?
As for the Da Vinci code it is all just nonsense just as the religion which it claims to be the actual truth of. Both the DVC and Christianity are just man-made myths which believers choose to believe in even though neither have any real evidence to support their individual claims to truth.
Originally posted by Joobs:As for the Da Vinci code it is all just nonsense just as the religion which it claims to be the actual truth of. Both the DVC and Christianity are just man-made myths which believers choose to believe in even though neither have any real evidence to support their individual claims to truth.
Very true, but it never ceases to amaze me how many people are prepared to believe the supernatural version of events rather than any (more probable?) suggestion that jesus (if he existed) may have been a "normal" human who may have had kids.
As for the Knights Templar (and other military orders) a fascinating subject , IMHO.
Originally posted by Greenjack: As for the Knights Templar (and other military orders) a fascinating subject , IMHO.
Hmmm, not sure I'd agree. Like Arthurian legend most of the stuff attributed to the Knights Templar is later mediaeval (and modern) invention. As a military force they were of no real note and if it wasn't for all the semi-religious mumbo-jumbo which surrounds them they wouldn't rate any historical interest.
Originally posted by Greenjack: Very true, but it never ceases to amaze me how many people are prepared to believe the supernatural version of events rather than any (more probable?)
Ah well that's the problem with belief - One will deny the probable because it does not match what you choose or want to believe.
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suggestion that jesus (if he existed) may have been a "normal" human who may have had kids.
Well given his supposed age and the laws and customs of the time and area in which he lived it would be surprising had Jesus not been married to someone. In fact some have postulated (with good reason) that being unmarried would have made him more an outcast rather than someone anyone would have followed.
Originally posted by Joobs:Hmmm, not sure I'd agree. Like Arthurian legend most of the stuff attributed to the Knights Templar is later mediaeval (and modern) invention. As a military force they were of no real note and if it wasn't for all the semi-religious mumbo-jumbo which surrounds them they wouldn't rate any historical interest.
Yes, as far as the KT are concerned you are probably right. But the Knights of St John/Malta etc have a longer history. Desmond Sewards "Monks of War" is worth a read. I didn't realise their "navy" was so feared in the mediterranean for so long.
I seem to remmber this already happening on a documentary. Guy took the interviewer to a field in the middle of the country side and showed him temple (a cave in the ground).
You sure they where not talking about a documentary that has already been screened ?
Back to books. If you have not read it, Erlne Bradford's "Seige of Malta" is good on both the Knights Hospitallers (from Rhodes - the descendants of the Knights Templar) and the Knights of Malta. Oldish book, but an interesting read.
Originally posted by Joobs:Hmmm, not sure I'd agree. Like Arthurian legend most of the stuff attributed to the Knights Templar is later mediaeval (and modern) invention. As a military force they were of no real note and if it wasn't for all the semi-religious mumbo-jumbo which surrounds them they wouldn't rate any historical interest.
Yes, as far as the KT are concerned you are probably right. But the Knights of St John/Malta etc have a longer history. Desmond Sewards "Monks of War" is worth a read. I didn't realise their "navy" was so feared in the mediterranean for so long.
Totally agree with you about the Knights of St. John, Greenjack. Another good book, which I bought in Malta, is 'The Knights of Malta', by Joseph Attard. First Edition 1992, ISBN:99909-0-019-1, printed in Malta by P.E.G. Ltd. It also surprised me how powerful their navy was in the early days!
