Hello Asa,
You quoted="A good example of this was JCs water into wine trick, portrayed by Paul as some latter day Paul Daniels"

The example of Jesus turning water into wine was the book of Matthew in the synoptic gospels. I was outlining this because you had said about Paul in reference to this.

I was wondering if the book you had mentioned about this concerning the gospels was using the analogy and that was why you had chosen it. Or perhaps it was your own theory. That particular mircle was not a testimony of Paul but of course Matthew.

I understand, excuse my prompting for clarity. I see what you mean about the analogy. It is important interms of clarifing this point. I will look asked a bit deeper on that subject to other with some classical language background.

However straight off the top of my head ( or out my arse, as me Dad would accuse me of on this particular subject) I would consider the gospel of Matthew unique in the synoptic gospels as it is supposedly a different insight than the other two Mark and Luke. Matthew does share testomonies on the miricle aspect of Christ.

I don't think he was using the story as an analogy, it certainly isn't Christ using a parable. I would say the person (Hiram Key ) giving his interpration of that gospel is merely stating the Wine Story as analogy is "trying" hard to do so.

In other words it would be probably easier it the Author just called Matthew a teller of fairly tales like Brothers Grimm rather than alluding to something else to "muddy" the waters so to speak.

O.K. at this rate I will probably end up getting round to your book recommendation and ordering it off Amazon.com

Basically I've not had time to get round to doing so.

Yours lazily,

GT

Based on that last post Asa,
if some holy chap came to your "maybe" future wedding and decided to change some water into incredibily tasting wine because you had drunk the place dry you'd

A) Complain, " oi.... stop changing that water into wine, its a bit showy init?"

B) Ah..... holymen arent such serious B.O.F.s after all. I'll shut up and be grateful, a nods as good as a wink!"

For the Gospels make sure its Aramic and Common Greek concerning concordence clarification.

Its fair to say the influences of literature were as much Greeks as Jewish.

There are some who ascertain that the wedding where Jesus turned water into wine was his own

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There are some who ascertain that the wedding where Jesus turned water into wine was his own

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How very "unallegorical" of you!

Here is another motive?

He was invited by a family to a wedding. From what I have been studying on semitic culture from even a contempary perspective is their generousity and kindness.

The dishonour of running out of wine in a gathering of the local community could have meant a certain amount of shame for the family hosting the wedding. This act, rather than that of a "showman" mis-appropriating his skillset was simple understanding the significants of an act within that culture. I am sure popping of to Russels Cellars was not an option when you discovered you had miscalculated the amount of wine for your guests!

The traditions of that culture maybe worth taking into context.

I think if you read Matthew you can judge at least the context as a primary source and not depend on other interpreting the infinate connatations of that miricle.

Have you seen this?

http://www.smallkidtime.com/was_jesus_caesar.htm

Juliana

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Now that would be a motive. Is it alleged that this wedding was to mary magdelane?

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Yes

You say potatoe, I say patatoe

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Have you seen this?

http://www.smallkidtime.com/was_jesus_caesar.htm

Juliana

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Thats nice...... much better design layout.

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Originally posted by gt:
The Christian mystery has been unlocked, the code of the New Testament has been cracked.’
– die tageszeitung, Berlin –

What code? Most of the New Testament is translated from Aramanic.

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This is the biggest nonsense I've heard in a while. Actually no Gospel was ever written in Aramaic or Hebrew.
This says enough about your and that author's (Robert Graveses) "expertise".

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Its message is quite simple its not the enigma code?

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Is the Gospel the missal of the poor in spirit?

Happy fabulating.

Juliana

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Are you blond?

Just kidding

Juliana quotes=This is the biggest nonsense I've heard in a while. Actually no Gospel was ever written in Aramaic or Hebrew.
This says enough about your and that author's (Robert Graveses) "expertise".

I think you need to re read my thread in regard to Robert Graves.

Never said the gospels had been written in Hebrew, thats the old testament.

If you are dismissing the Aramaic? Well I think I would at least bother to understand some fundementals of the Gospels native written language before commenting on my "folly."

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[...]If you are dismissing the Aramaic? Well I think I would at least bother to understand some fundementals of the Gospels native written language before commenting on my "folly."

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Would you be so kind and give a reference to the claim that the "Gospels native written language" was Aramaic?
Or are just fatasizing and making up history as you please?

Juliana

And Greek?

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[...]If you are dismissing the Aramaic? Well I think I would at least bother to understand some fundementals of the Gospels native written language before commenting on my "folly."

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Would you be so kind and give a reference to the claim that the "Gospels native written language" was Aramaic?
Or are just fatasizing and making up history as you please?

Juliana

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Helllo Juliana,
Because the Bible is a collection of books and not one book, the collection of books have not been written in one language I'm afraid.

Here are a few links explaining aspects of its written language composition. To be honest there are hundreds of links and plenty of books stating the same. Check out a few concordences and study the root meanings of some of the words etc.

Hope this helps anyway

http://www.cdu.jesusanswers.com/photo6.html

http://www.themodernreligion.com/comparative/christ/bibleversion.htm

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Hope this helps anyway

http://www.cdu.jesusanswers.com/photo6.html

http://www.themodernreligion.com/comparative/christ/bibleversion.htm

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Hi gt,

both those websites don't really make a solid impression.
This looks more like scholarship:
http://www.carotta.de/subseite/texte/literatu.html



Juliana

Nice Juliana,

So what is the New Testaments parents language Juliana?

Basically the semantic written language of Aramaic ( the language that was spoken by Christ and in the region that Christ came from was Aramic speaking).

Generically speaking Aramic is a parent Alphabet of all the classical languages, Greek, Latin, Hebrew etc. Common Greek and Aramic are the parent written languages of the New Testament.

The Old Testaments Origonal written language is Hebrew, a "child" in terms of its parent written language of an Aramic form. The translation of Hebrew into Greek did not occur until around the 3rd century BC, through the endeavours of phtolemy and the Alexandria Library. The translation into Latin was not until the "formation" of the Holy Roman Church.

The origonal Aramaic was from an alphebet developed by the Phoenicians.

Sorry for my labybird book explanation of a few languages.I hope its not to trivail for you.

Anyway, it would be nice to here what you have to say about written language composition of scripture rather than just cutting and pasting a web link.

When you post to a forum you could at least express a basic knowledge of a topic you wish to discuss. That way we can enjoy a debate.

hello juliana
wasn't jesus along with john the bapist a essene from the qumran sect living in desert
russell