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A very interesting programme. However I learned little new about our civilisation. What I did find annoying is that once again the shallow researcher has just gone for Ireland, Scotland and Wales again... once more totally forgetting the huge Celtic heritage of Cornwall. It shows the researchers weren't interested in expanding people's horizons, more just repackaging history as entertainment.
 
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It shows the researchers weren't interested in expanding people's horizons, more just repackaging history as entertainment.


Agreed,nothing new filled out with 'fluff' and shot in an annoying Schamanesque manner.
Still made me smile mind mun..
 
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I thought it was a bit of a wasted opportunity and didn't really give any more insight into who/what the Celts were then any other programme/book/Key Stage 2 History work sheet.

Have to admit I'm not a huge fan of documentaries stuffed with footage of dull presenters doing pointless things to illustrate a point ie. the Celts grew grain: here's me walking pensively through a field of grain.

I thought he'd elaborate more on Cornwall, Brittany and Wales too.


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Aye a bit a time spent in Kernow wouldn't have done any harm Frown
 
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I unfortunately missed nearly all of it! Any idea if its due to be repeated any time soon?
 
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S4C is your best bet for a repeat this week.
Try their website or S4C Viewers' Hotline number is:
0870 600 4141 ...
 
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I thought he'd elaborate more on Cornwall, Brittany and Wales too.


I was waiting for Cornwall and Brittany in the language 'piece',thought it was a shoe in....but was proved wrong.
 
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I thought the experts comments were interesting and would have preferred more from them than the rather frivolous and pointless re-enactments.

Also too little time was spent on the linguistic and genetic evidence and rather too much on the culture.

Still better than Newcastle v Southampton
 
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Rudgeley says that he comes from London and that he has a London, a British and a European heritage - though he apparently doesn't have an English one, though he is speaking in English.

Typical
 
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Seems to me that the English still refuse to accept that the cornish are different to them. The researchers didn't seem to realise that the cornish and welsh language is very similar nor did they realise the heritage of Cornwalls myths and legends. St. Piran sailed over to Cornwall on a millstone from Ireland!

I thought the program was a waste or airtime because all it did was re-enforce views of one side of the arguement which unfortunatly for anyone who concider themselves a celt, wasn't their side.

Why does national Television refuse to acknowledge cornish heritage?

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Oi! Anyone from Channel 4... or the programme in question paying attention to this?? It's about time you rethought the way you make your documentaries. They are all following the same boring formula now. The only historical documentary I actually learned anything from recently was about The First Emporor. I expect if I knew more about the topic, I'd realise that one was equally bad as The Celts.
 
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I asked the question elsewhere but..
There was a six part s4c series about the Celts (very good and all inclusive),some people seem to think this is an edited 'highlights'with a different spin.Plenty on Cornwall iirc.
 
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Disappointing - and I was looking forward to it! Not enough depth, too large a subject for this researcher, so much ignored. The vast influence of the Celts even now seems to have eluded him. Whether we have Celt type DNA or not does not seem to be the point, it is their lives reflecting on our culture that has had a long reaching effect. I'm sad that he left out Cornwall, although I'm a Scot, we have all the same source of inspiration.
 
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Once again CH4 staggers me with its lack of interest in anything thats not Big Brother Frown
 
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A very interesting programme. However I learned little new about our civilisation. What I did find annoying is that once again the shallow researcher has just gone for Ireland, Scotland and Wales again... once more totally forgetting the huge Celtic heritage of Cornwall. It shows the researchers weren't interested in expanding people's horizons, more just repackaging history as entertainment.


The britons were pushed into cornwall, as they were into Southern Scotland and Wales. So in my mind, all the presenter would have done would have duplicated what he found in Wales. The conclusion was that there was no Celtic Race, but a Celtic Culture. The program was already 2hrs long.
What would you like the presenter to have mentioned about celtic culture in Cornwall?
 
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I found this to be pretty intersting. I must admit i do not know that much about the Celts a lot of it being from Secondary School.

It is nice to have something intelligent at ll on a Saturday night

I think perhaps a series woul have been better than a two hour long documntry as i ind them too long.
One thing that did nno me was the constant recpping after returning from the break. Surely we do not have such a short memory.
 
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It appears it was originaly the 6hr Welsh series(so the repitition makes sense).The English language version spins the story of the Celts differently.
 
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What I found interesting was the fact that the programme said over the course of several hour basically all the research is null & void and that "the Scots, Irish & Welsh cannot legitimatly call themselves Celts".

By a programme produced by the English no doubt?
 
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By a programme produced by the English no doubt?


As usual everything is never enough for you lot. First a corrupt scientist says the Irish have always been there - as have Welsh and Scots. This statement, since it is a lie, has to have been motivated by politics. Why? Because it subverts the notion of British nations as a mix of various influences - except the English of course, which was precisely the intention. There was no information about how the tests were conducted - was it based on male lines or mitochondrial genetic material? - or how they arrived at a conclusion curiously at one with recent historical interpretations of the Catholic church and IRA (you know, the Ancient Irish Tribes baloney, which takes disparate inhabitants over three thousand years and makes Irishmen of them all, even though the modern Irish did not get there until around the 2nd or 3rd century AD).

Scots play this game too, albeit to less effect, with the supposedly Ancient Highland Culture invented less than two hundred years ago (mostly by the English). The Picts were not Scots. They were not British either. They were Iberians - dark. Today so are most Scots as a result of interbreeding. Then there is the fact that Scotland really only begins at the Highland Line, since after Athelstan land up to that point was wholly English and/or Anglo-Norman up to and long after the Norman invasion of England (see Oman), to the extent that so-called Scots-Irish don't really exist except in American fantasies because the people expelled from the border lands - both sides - were largely English anyway.

So far we've mentioned English and Anglo-Norman influences (coloured light brown on Bradley's map of English terrirtory, to indicate a difference which doesn't appear north of the border, and a people who incidentally account for more than half the so-called 'clans') and the Iberian Picts. We haven't even mentioned the Scandinavians - who are surely more English than the English genetically speaking. Still no brown bits on nice Dr Bradley's map of Scotland though. And yet we are told these people have 'always been there'. A few years back a BBC 'Meet the Ancestors' investigation induced stuttering incoherence in its genial presenter when its own survey revealed Scotland's closest genetic match to be southern England.

We can say techniques have still to be perfected of course. Or we can say, as someone with knowledge of the politics of Trinity College Dublin might well, that one should never take these pronouncements on trust.

As it is Rudgley's conclusions were half-hearted and all but endorsed the celtic fairy-tale, which is even more nonsensical when you get to Cornwall, whose 'proud' and 'independent' spirit will doubtless continue to clamour for the political freedom fat English and european taxpayer subsidies have made such a winner among the 'fiercely independent' warrior tribes north of the border.

Rudgely's criticism is half-hearted. But then from someone who proclaims himself a 'Londoner, southerner, Briton and European' one cannot be surprised. Once the English love of homeland was a match for any other nation in in Europe. The records prove it. Now, somehow, a skinny, hollow-chested anthroplogist mincing about in warpaint seems to say so much more about what we have become. That we surrender ourselves to such liars! The celts - real or imagined - had nothing to fear from Rudgley. He was, sadly, the very model of a modern Englishman.
 
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From where, Plump Jack, do you get the information that the Picts were Iberian? They had no written history at all. Is there a pu - blished DNA record?
I think of myself as a Celt.
 
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