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quote: Originally posted by pepinouska:
Dr Jones, what was that about England trying to build Scotland back up after the Jacobite rebellion? That was the Highland Clearances that was!
Just a few hundred thousand Scots despatched to all corners of the world, so the land was clear for sheep, the pursuit of wild life, and whatever it was that the generally absentee landlords got up to. OK I know some of them were Scots, but no way would I describe this
act as building up Scotland. Read John Prebble's book on the subject.
You can see the results of the 'build up' of Scotland in Edinburgh's new town. I think there was also some growth in Glasgow but I know less about that. Reflecting a growing wealth in metroploitan Scotland follwoing 1745. The Highlands of course were another matter. http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/scottishhistory/enlightenm...enment_newtown.shtml |
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Sunnyblink, I stand corrected!
But it doesn't make me any the less angry about the Clearances. "Cumberland Street" indeed!!
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quote: pepinouska
Posted 28-04-06 10:32
Dr Jones, what was that about England trying to build Scotland back up after the Jacobite rebellion? That was the Highland Clearances that was!
Just a few hundred thousand Scots despatched to all corners of the world, so the land was clear for sheep, the pursuit of wild life, and whatever it was that the generally absentee landlords got up to. OK I know some of them were Scots,
Only some of them were Scots?
but no way would I describe this
act as building up Scotland. Read John Prebble's book on the subject.
Such clearances had also happened in England, just at an earlier date. I do not see why the Highland clearances can be attributed to English foreign policy. As far as I know it was due to the rich Scottish lairds wanting to be even richer. |
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In 1707, 30 Scottish pounds were equal to one English pound. The fact is that English spent many many decades building up Scotland and giving it finincial aid.
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Jones:
In 1707, 30 Scottish pounds were equal to one English pound. The fact is that English spent many many decades building up Scotland and giving it finincial aid.
England gave money to Scotland following the Act of Union as it was part of the Treaty. England would reimburse Scotland for the extra tax she would have to pay to fund England's war in Europe. It was called the Equivalent. |
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Jones:
The North Sea Oil was taken out of the North Sea by Private companies, who then paid taxes to the British Government.
Who exactly are you accusing of stealing the oil?
There was a  after the word stolen  But on the subject, what area of the UK benefited most from the oil revenue. And a bit of a clue, not north of the border! |
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The darien Affair was not all Scotalnds fault, King William also had a bit to play in it I think you will find telling all the English not to get involved (because it upset the Dutch and English EastIndia Ccompany) and the English withdrew there financial support then the Scots went alone
When in darien the English where again topld not to get involved and not to help the Scot
As for the Union why was there riots in Glasgow and Edinburgh
PS THe Witch great question and one I would like the people on here to answer
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All very good points, and all facts.
Building the panama canal was a good idea, but there were just not the tools and machines available at that time. It is a shame a decision couldn't have been made that the task was impossible at that time. Many brave people perished in that project.
I agree the English government was not helpful, in fact downright obstructive at that time.
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I hate the scotsman paper but read this Why Scotland can't Handel the BBC's new World Cup anthem THE BBC was accused of "insensitivity and tactlessness" last night after choosing to mark the World Cup this summer with a piece of music that celebrates the man responsible for the battle of Culloden. http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=641642006 |
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I think it far more ironic that they should choose a piece of music written by a German.
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quote: Originally posted by Fil2:
I think it far more ironic that they should choose a piece of music written by a German.
Whats the Queens surname again before she changed it to Windsor |
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Strictly speaking it ought to be Mountbattenberg.
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quote: Strictly speaking it ought to be Mountbattenberg.
Liked the way you avoided the question |
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Mountbattenberg not German enough for you?
Mountbatten was the surname adopted by Phil the Greek when he became a UK citizen, it was "Anglicised" from Mountbattenberg during the First World War at the same time as George V adopted Windsor to replace Saxe-Coberg-Gotha (or whatever). When HMQ married Phil in 1947 in the normal course of events she would've adopted his surname. Right or wrong?
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quote: Mountbattenberg not German enough for you?
Mountbatten was the surname adopted by Phil the Greek when he became a UK citizen, it was "Anglicised" from Mountbattenberg during the First World War at the same time as George V adopted Windsor to replace Saxe-Coberg-Gotha (or whatever). When HMQ married Phil in 1947 in the normal course of events she would've adopted his surname. Right or wrong?
That is correct so she's German then Why did they adopt Windsor by the way ,Genuine question as I dont know that one |
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It was Battenberg adapted to Mountbatten.
Windsor was chosen as it was a good English name to which no-one could take exception, and Windsor Castle had always been a favourite residencs.
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Back to the original point about the song, Its a damm disgrace and just goes to show the lack of respect that is shown to us Scots and you wonder why we dont want you to win anything
Surley some one at the BBC would have said we canny play that as it will offend some of our licence payers
PS about history being taught at Scottish schools, spoke to some guy in the Pub last night who said that Braveheart was rubbish as the history of it was not correct so said to him which bits which his reply was Bruce and wallace where not born in the same Century. I nearly choked on my pint, He then went on to have an argument that Wallace invaded York, He was put right but its scary that people do not the history of there own Country, PS The guy I was speaking to is an educated person by the way
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quote: Originally posted by pepinouska:
It was Battenberg adapted to Mountbatten.
Windsor was chosen as it was a good English name to which no-one could take exception, and Windsor Castle had always been a favourite residencs.
pepinouska Thanks very much, Its what I though but was not 100% sure |
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quote: Originally posted by warney600:
PS about history being taught at Scottish schools, spoke to some guy in the Pub last night who said that Braveheart was rubbish as the history of it was not correct so said to him which bits which his reply was Bruce and wallace where not born in the same Century. I nearly choked on my pint, He then went on to have an argument that Wallace invaded York, He was put right but its scary that people do not the history of there own Country, PS The guy I was speaking to is an educated person by the way
There were quite a few inaccuracies in Braveheart, although Wallace and Bruce were contemperies. E.g Battle of Strirling bridge in real life involved a bridge - this wasn't shown on film; Scots did not cover themselves in blue paint - that was the Picts 1000 years earlier; would have been impossible for Edward II's wife to have had a relationship with Wallace has she didn't arrive in England until after Wallace was dead; etc. Wallace did invade England after Stirling Bridge but I don't know if he got has far as York. |
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quote: Originally posted by warney600:
Why did they adopt Windsor by the way ,Genuine question as I dont know that one
They adopted the name Windsor because of the strong anti-German feeling around at the time (1917). Prince Louis of Battenberg changed his name to Mountbatten at the same time but it didn't stop him being hounded out of his job in Navy. Thought the current Queen was half-Scottish... http://www.rampantscotland.com/famous/blfamelizabeth.htm |
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