Refined sugar? You might as well eat poison - that's what my doctor told me, and white bread is not too good either. During the 39-45 war we had rationing, never really enough to eat but a good balanced diet for all. Sweets were limited to one a day! No obesity then, no junk food, no chocolate cereal bars etc. We were actually quite a healthy nation. Not so now, so all power to Jamie - he is a hero, in my book.
I believe many poorer families relied on bread as their staple diet? Many Victorian children were brought up on bread and dripping but of course very little sugar. I’m sure their health did suffer through this diet and the poor medical care. We have the means to live a healthier life now but the food industry is letting us down. The government offers very little help. At least Jamie has brought the issue to the fore.
Yes, the Victorian poor had a lousy diet, likewise the Irish with nothing but potatoes, but during the war everyone could afford to buy a balanced diet, food was kept deliberately cheap and health did improve as a result of it. There must be some people in the govt of my age who remember those times - rationing continued until 1951!
Originally posted by pepinouska: Refined sugar? You might as well eat poison - that's what my doctor told me, and white bread is not too good either. During the 39-45 war we had rationing, never really enough to eat but a good balanced diet for all. Sweets were limited to one a day! No obesity then, no junk food, no chocolate cereal bars etc. We were actually quite a healthy nation. Not so now, so all power to Jamie - he is a hero, in my book.
Forget Jamie Oliver, let's bring back the Nazis to solve our obesity problems.
I have 2 sugars in my tea all my life and I cook in lard and I am 92 next birthday. and I smoke too. Forget the war diet it was horrible and there was plenty of black market goods going on, I can tell you. People are just lazy couch pototaoes these days and need exercise and need to learn how to cook properly. lazy so and so's The irish were a healthy nation when they lived on spuds, they bred enough kids on them. people write some tosh on here. think yourselves lucky you have enough to eat and get your fat arses out of your cars and off your sofa,s
Originally posted by crazydaizy: I have 2 sugars in my tea all my life and I cook in lard and I am 92 next birthday. and I smoke too.
But for every 92 year old smokers who have over-indulged in sugar and fat all their lives, there are many many more who are dead. Sorry, you are not proof that these things aren't bad for you. You are just a lucky one.
But for every 92 year old smokers who have over-indulged in sugar and fat all their lives, there are many many more who are dead. Sorry, you are not proof that these things aren't bad for you. You are just a lucky one.
well exactly, they are the ones who didn't get off their backsides.
Much of the refined white sugar sold in Britain comes from sugar beet grown in places like Cambridgeshire. Sugar beet is a crop subsidised by the EU (which gets its money from your taxes) as part of the Common Agricultural Policy. This is an evil little secret the government and the EU don't want you to know about.
But for every 92 year old smokers who have over-indulged in sugar and fat all their lives, there are many many more who are dead. Sorry, you are not proof that these things aren't bad for you. You are just a lucky one.
well exactly, they are the ones who didn't get off their backsides.
I've never heard of 'getting off ones backside' decreasing ones chance of developing cancer from smoking.
Much of the refined white sugar sold in Britain comes from sugar beet grown in places like Cambridgeshire. Sugar beet is a crop subsidised by the EU (which gets its money from your taxes) as part of the Common Agricultural Policy. This is an evil little secret the government and the EU don't want you to know about.
I don't understand why you think this is an evil little secret. Farmers get subsidies on all sorts of crops, without them, more farms would be going bust and you can say goodbye to the countryside as you know it today. Pass the sugar
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I've never heard of 'getting off ones backside' decreasing ones chance of developing cancer from smoking.
well if you will sit on your backsides watching TV all day and listening to all the propaganda while you chainsmoke.
sorry (before some-one points this out to me) that the quotes are not in the boxes but I am old and get things a bit muddled at times. Just going off for my supper, Bacon, sausage, fried bread cooked in lard and a good mug of tea with loads of sugar Mmmmmmmmmmm and maybe some sponge pudding and custard afterwards with extra sugar sprinkled on top Yum
You've got a strong constitution for all that fatty food...crazydaizy....and pudding on top.....here's to you. Ma and I ate lard and bread when I was a kid...but not good for us really....and today I live on lean, as I have to. no fats, or the bare minimun, as most foods have it....and you can't winkle it out, but need protein as well...so it's all balanced out really.
You're right re the pots though....stable diet of ireland, but their pots were different in texture than anything here, as our diet in Ireland was pots, but each pot had it's own ways of using them. Since I came here haven't been able to find the real white pots which are used for boiling and what I have found for boiling makes me vomit afterwards, but I use pots to mix with veggies, so that the veggies don't go through me straight away, and adding pots(as I call them), food remains in my system longer, which is the way it's supposed to be for me. I've got the War cookery book and looking at their recipes, made me see how healthy the diet was then...more than it is to day, so now have recipes I can use to keep me alive for a bit longer.
You're right re white bread pepinouska...not good for the bod.....but it's cheaper for poor people, so they buy it.....but where I lived as a kid I'd go to the bakery stand in line with the others and get freshly baked bread, and it tasted very good. Not like today's white bread which is doughy....yuk..and not always baked properly. I'd also go to same baker and get fresh yeast, and would eat some of it and over time I grew strong. The left over yeast was for granny to make bread with, which she did every week.
If I can add something re sugar...dentists hate people to have anything sweet, but, here's the rub, as it were....sugar is also a medical need, and can't believe that a doctor would say it was poison for all( as you seemed to suggest)...as it isn't. I'm a diabetic and when my bg levels drop to almost the ground I need lots of sugar to get them up to par...5.5 is bang in the middle....so sugar has its uses, and any colour of it works just as well.
In a healthy individual sugar is both a poison (eventually creating the endocrine imbalance that leads to diabetes amongst other things) and a drug (making us feel good in a number of physiological and neurological ways).
Sugar isn't needed in any form in the diet, nor are any of the other "white evils" of the modern world (bread, pasta, potatoes etc).
Sugar and refined carbohydrates (SARCs) are the cause of much of the misery and ill health in the so called developed world. The list of illnesses and diseases caused by SARCs is very long.
Sugar has no place where health is the goal.
"Do what you wanna, do what you will, but don't mess up your neighbour's thrill" F. Zappa
I personally attribute obesity to these fast food restaurants, consoles, televisions and that some children dont eat enough fruit and veg(i admit i havent eaten the required amount and im still alive and kicking)
Originally posted by crazydaizy: I have 2 sugars in my tea all my life and I cook in lard and I am 92 next birthday. and I smoke too. Forget the war diet it was horrible and there was plenty of black market goods going on, I can tell you. People are just lazy couch pototaoes these days and need exercise and need to learn how to cook properly. lazy so and so's The irish were a healthy nation when they lived on spuds, they bred enough kids on them. people write some tosh on here. think yourselves lucky you have enough to eat and get your fat arses out of your cars and off your sofa,s
And still feisty with it .
However the idea of a "healthy person" isn't so much someone who can pop out sprogs as about quality of life which is a whole new ballpark. If we decide healthy is being able to pop out sprogs we only really need live to 15 or 16 by which time we can have had 2 kids and carry one the genetic line but I'm sure you don't feel your time beyond that age is wasted.
However you are correct about the war diet, my uncle used to shoot game and trade for black market items and my grandmothers hen coup persisted up to the 70's, at least I remember it.
It is of course possible to eat badly and smoke and benefit from exersize but its equally possible to live eating healthily and not smoking and not exersize and still reach 92... however the ideal is eating well, not smoking and exersizing.
