i was one of Jamie's fondest fans, on the subject of killing the lamb to eat. I was absolutely devastated that he could do such a horrendous crime to a defenceless creature. I wil never watch or listen to any of his appearences on screen or otherwise.
Originally posted by kathleen: i was one of Jamie's fondest fans, on the subject of killing the lamb to eat. I was absolutely devastated that he could do such a horrendous crime to a defenceless creature. I wil never watch or listen to any of his appearences on screen or otherwise.
DISGUSTED EX FAN
Gordon Bennett, they warned you about it, you didn't have to watch it did you?
uno momenta, when the chips are down, I will be with Jamie and Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall and Ray Mears. I am a hunter/gatherer. I have caught fish to eat and killed them WHACK! Do you seriously think that slaughtered animals in this country go to their maker on an overdose of reds? Get real. Oh and do you actually know anyone who is an animal slaughterer? If you did would you shriek at them as well? What about Halal, do you eat Sub-Continent food? The sheep are killed in the same way. Not want to have a take away or a kebab any more huh?
:witch: Hello, I saw the programme with the lamb been slaughterd, It did make me cringe, But I think you have to remember, That it is a way of life to some people and that is how they survive, They can't just pop to the shop. After all where do you think your meat comes from? I felt sorry for Jamie, As you watched him I think he felt more pain than the lamb. I worked in a butchers for two years and you can tell how stressed the animal is by the colour of the meat, Made you think? of course unless you are vegitarian you won't know what iam on about. WE HAVE TO EAT. Like it or not this is life.
I was also a big fan of Jamie's, but I too have lost all respect for him after watching him slaughter the lamb. We are all aware that animals have to be killed to provide us with meat, but to allow an unskilled celebrity chef to carry out the slaughter in order to make controversial TV is just inexcusable. Jamie Oliver has become very patronising since the whole 'school dinners' affair.
Originally posted by glitterball: I was also a big fan of Jamie's, but I too have lost all respect for him after watching him slaughter the lamb. We are all aware that animals have to be killed to provide us with meat, but to allow an unskilled celebrity chef to carry out the slaughter in order to make controversial TV is just inexcusable. Jamie Oliver has become very patronising since the whole 'school dinners' affair.
The thought of controversial headlines to get publicity for his show was probably his main priority than the suffering of a mere babe that has not been alive for long.
I don't eat meat for the reason I cannot bear the pain and suffering involved in the process of meat production and slaughter, in my name.
Originally posted by glitterball: I was also a big fan of Jamie's, but I too have lost all respect for him after watching him slaughter the lamb. We are all aware that animals have to be killed to provide us with meat, but to allow an unskilled celebrity chef to carry out the slaughter in order to make controversial TV is just inexcusable. Jamie Oliver has become very patronising since the whole 'school dinners' affair.
The thought of controversial headlines to get publicity for his show was probably his main priority than the suffering of a mere babe that has not been alive for long.
I don't eat meat for the reason I cannot bear the pain and suffering involved in the process of meat production and slaughter, in my name.
Has it made any viewers consider giving up meat?
Has it stopped Jamie cooking and eating meat? No.
A mere babe, excuse me a mere babe, what a little human baby? Forget the emotive words dear, this was a sheep, it wasn't a baby lamb but a sheep, big enough to feed folks for weeks on end. So come off the soap box and calm down, this is NO big deal. Be a vegetarian, be a buddhist, be a JAIN and have your brush, you have your opinion but don't twist it to suit too much ok. Jamie did not enjoy that, do you think he is now going to sneak into fields and cut the throats of more SHEEP just for the hell of it. I know as he is so keen on killing a "babe" maybe he ought to sell them at Tescos along with the halos and horns rubbish.
Had to wait until the account become live before I could post - so sorry for the delay if it has died down abit.
kathleen - I do welcome channel 4 desicon to show the slaughter of the lamb (in fact it was a "big" lamb if not a sheep!), mainly because it will shock people to understand where our food really comes from and how it gets on to our dinner plates in the olden days.
To be honest I prefer my food in the likes of meat to come from local farm yards like what was shown in the show, as we as a nation of people are now blinded the true production methods imposed by the supermarkets ie Tesco and Asda.
If the slaughter of the lamb (sheep) is a crime, how come we as humans have been killing animals for yonks to live?
Keep it up Jamie, I do understand what has gone though his mind, as he and everyone like us buy meat from the butchers or shops wouldn't have to kill animals. Like myself to kill a chicken at work is the hardest thing to do the first time.
how is this any worse than gordon ramsey letting his kids raise those turkeys like pets only to have them slaughter for christmas day lunch
i didnt particularly like the killing of the lamb - but it isnt really any worse than the stress that goes on in slaughter houses - or do we think they are nice stressless places for the animals who go through them
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So the lambs that most people have on their sunday table just conveniently keel over and give themselves up for the greater good of mankind do they? Get a grip, animals are killed on a daily basis for consumption this is no different you just happened to have witnessed it this time. At least you know the meat was fresh!
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Originally posted by kathleen: i was one of Jamie's fondest fans, on the subject of killing the lamb to eat. I was absolutely devastated that he could do such a horrendous crime to a defenceless creature. I wil never watch or listen to any of his appearences on screen or otherwise.
DISGUSTED EX FAN
Presumably you are a vegetarian. Otherwise you would be a complete hypocrite. I think it makes a refreshing change that some TV chefs are now reminding us that lamb cutlets do not just appear on supermarket shelves in plastic packs, a little goes on before that.
Err I know this sort of stuff brings them out of the woodwork. Honest to God, how many of them eat that CrAp and tortured chicken the supermarkets all sell. IF you want to say something stop buying the goddam stuff, and quit bleating on about freshly killed meat. AS I said earlier they are not given an overdose. Once upon a time and not to far back each place had a slaughterhouse so the animals were not subjected to prolonged stress, but now they travle hundreds and sometimes thousands of miles before they are slaughtered. So this one was done in the place it lived in. I dont suppose he enjoyed it for one minute but some of the posters here seem to think so. That's s shame because he is still one of the best chefs around and one of the most creative.
Jamie is not a skilled slaughterman. He is a celebrity chef. They could of still shown the piece with a skilled man carrying out the slaughter. Instead we got a wincing mockney who looked as though he was crapping himself, the sheeps suffering didnt even come into consideration.
There was one comment posted above about an unskilled celebrity chef killing the the lamb being worse than a presumably skilled slaughterer in a slaughter house..I have forced myself to watch what goes on inside a slaughter house because as a realist I cannot hide from the truth, & believe you me the cruelty that goes on in those places is beyond belief, it is barbaric, not one of those who work there care for the animals pain & suffering involved, infact in one slaughterhouse animals were relentlessly taunted & teased as they waited to die..I may be wrong but I think most smallholding farmers who have regular contact with their livestock have got more chance of killing their animals more humanly..anyone who claims to still eat meat after saying that they were upset at seeing the lamb slaughtered are hypocrites..yes, I eat meat & I know how these animals die, but the way in which these animals are treated prior to & at the slaughter house MUST be changed..I am an animal lover & I abhorr any cruelty to any animal, but I am not so naive as to believe that as a nation we will ever stop eating meat completely, & so it is the methods of care as these animals go to the slaughter that has to change..Joanna Lumley is a great campaigner for better treatment of animals for slaughter, so if you want to help, help in a positive way by supporting one of the schemes available & not just turn off a program that disgusts you & do nothing about it..thanks for letting me rant about a subject I feel very passionately about.
I appreciated the warning C4 gave at the beginning of the programme as that sort of thing always upsets me (and yes, I'm a vegetarian) I just switched over to Trinny & Suze butchering wardrobes for a few minutes. I haven't lost any respect for Jamie. Worse things happen in British slaughterhouses and as UKnoMe says. it is that which needs to change, not a family in a remotr Italian village slaughtering for their own needs. I'd be willing to bet there isn't a lot wasted, and Jamie was out there to experience their way of life after all. Getting all squealy and 'holier than thou' about it is immature and pointless.
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I keep being reminded of that film (name escapes me) where the new cook is asked to kill alive chicken and she screams BOO at it hoping to scare it to death!!!!
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ppl are calling jamie patronising - but at least he is trying to give a bit of reality to where our food comes from
like it or not parents are bringing children up to not realise that a animal dies to provide meat that the children see magically appear in supermarkets - some of them dont even know different kinds of vegetables just by looking at them
just look at the cheap chicken next time you buy it - look at the legs - it there are dark marks on the ends of it - it means it had a crappy life barely able to stand - then complain about an animal who was given a decent life and then slaughtered by a chef whos hands were being guided by someone who did know how to kill it cleanly
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I really don't know what all the fuss is about.
silence of the lambs.